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Yeah, implicitly criticizing The Wire for being "too white" is about off-base as an opinion possibly can be. Like that guy I knew who called the Eagles a "one-hit wonder". e: lovely snipe. I hope to see more Hollyhock, but I don't want bad things to happen to her. Is that actually possible in this show?
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Iron Crowned posted:I dunno, there's been some Oscar Bait that I thought was good, but also never felt compelled to want to watch it again. Most prestige television I never feel compelled to watch again. Even ones that are good and have a real ending are too much effort to re-watch Hell most I don't finish in the first place because it gets bad, boring or the lead is outed as a sex creep.
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Sep 7, 2018 14:37
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What is funny is that the show itself would probably be considered prestige TV, but it deflates itself enough with the animal puns and etc. To avoid the negative implications of the label.
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Sep 7, 2018 14:38
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bitterandtwisted posted:Most prestige television I never feel compelled to watch again. Even ones that are good and have a real ending are too much effort to re-watch Well, that's just the American TV model at work. You have a story that's designed to be told for 5 seasons with a satisfying ending, but the executives insist on greenlightning it for an additional 7 seasons past the original story.
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Sep 7, 2018 14:45
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Bust Rodd posted:Sad, angry white people loving and murdering each other for about 45-50 minutes at a time. No major characters murder anyone in SFU (though a couple do get murdered. One is in the epilogue/finale).
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Sep 7, 2018 14:46
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Iron Crowned posted:Well, that's just the American TV model at work. You have a story that's designed to be told for 5 seasons with a satisfying ending, but the executives insist on greenlightning it for an additional 7 seasons past the original story. Older British serialised shows benefited from being shorter, like Pride and Prejudice or the original House of Cards. I can just imagine an American Pride and Prejudice where each season is 15 episodes long and nothing is resolved because they're hoping to get renewed for season 7
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Sep 7, 2018 14:51
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Pride and Prejudice was a miniseries, a different animal. A better example would be Downton Abbey, which was definitely prestige TV (initially), and also a loving terrible show
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Sep 7, 2018 14:57
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To me, Mad Men is the quintessential Prestige TV, a surprisingly expensive to make show about well-dressed white people being lovely to eachother, perpetually hyped and critically lauded, but not really all that popular or.. good?
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Sep 7, 2018 16:56
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Mad Men is one of the best TV shows I have ever seen, and also have absolutely zero interest in rewatching.
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Sep 7, 2018 18:02
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Mad Men owns. Love to watch Dick Whitman never learn anything
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Sep 7, 2018 18:08
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Mad Men is awesome. White people
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Sep 7, 2018 18:10
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Mad Men is complete soap opera tripe for white people who think they're liberal but actually aren't and will be voting conservative in at most 15-20 years.
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Sep 7, 2018 18:13
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Rich and heavy and not particularly rewatchable even if you enjoyed it, is how I'd sum it up. Like I enjoyed Breaking Bad at the time, but I can't imagine going back and seeing Walter White gently caress everything up for no good reason all over again.
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Sep 7, 2018 18:24
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Pick posted:Mad Men is complete soap opera tripe for white people who think they're liberal but actually aren't and will be voting conservative in at most 15-20 years. It's pretty racist to imply that only white people like good TV
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Sep 7, 2018 18:26
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OctaviusBeaver posted:It's pretty racist to imply that only white people like good TV Mad Men is bad tv for people with an inflated assessment of their intelligence.
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Sep 7, 2018 18:29
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i am the bird posted:Reviews are out, horsefolks. I wouldn’t recommend reading them if you want to go in fully blind, but there are two concept-y episodes that sound loving amazing, one of which has reviewers saying that Will Arnett should just receive his Emmy right now. Did not read any reviews, but based on this alone, I am getting pretty hype for this season now.
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Sep 7, 2018 18:41
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mad men is good for some of the reasons bojack is; watching terrible rich people and hoping that they'll get their poo poo together at some point and learn how to get over their issues and be happy
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Sep 7, 2018 18:47
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One of the things that I really like about Bojack compared to most prestige tv (Bojack isn't really prestige, but it does resemble it in a lot of ways), is that it doesn't secretly celebrate it's antiheroes horribleness. A lot of prestige tv invites viewers to live vicariously through its antiheroes, and enjoy all the sex and drugs that the characters do, while simultaneously condemning them for it. Not that good tv has to be morality tales, but the two-faced hypocrisy bothers me. In the same way a lot of old slasher flicks would kill the teenage girls who have sex, but still have lots of learing shots of their naked bodies.
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Sep 7, 2018 19:44
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bitterandtwisted posted:Older British serialised shows benefited from being shorter, like Pride and Prejudice or the original House of Cards. Not just older ones; Peaky Blinders is 6 eps per season and it works. Makes for a nice change of pace, the arc each season is nice and concise, and I didn't really feel like it lost much by being shorter. Maybe one or two characters that could have been developed a little more but that's it.
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Sep 7, 2018 19:44
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Killing Eve (British), arguably prestige television, is only 8 episodes and it loving rules. Patriot is 10 episodes (not British), also loving rules, and would also fit the category but I don't think it counts as prestige if nobody likes or watches it.  But really, most premium network dramas are basically in the category and almost all of them stick to short seasons. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Sep 7, 2018 20:14
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i am the bird posted:Patriot is 10 episodes (not British), also loving rules, and would also fit the category but I don't think it counts as prestige if nobody likes or watches it. Season two was supposed to come out this year but last I checked it still didn’t even have a date announced. Show’s so good y’all should watch it.
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Sep 7, 2018 20:19
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Pick posted:Mad Men is complete soap opera tripe for white people who think they're liberal but actually aren't and will be voting conservative in at most 15-20 years. This take is bad. Mad Men is excellent, and the characters being barely-political centrists with no convictions is not celebrated at all. The only reason people think it's conservative is because it also portrays white hippies of the period unflatteringly (the ones who actually *did* vote conservative 15 years later.) It doesn't mean "Don Draper is right." He's pretty much never right...none of them are. Brother Entropy is, though; both Mad Men and BoJack are about psychologically broken characters whose bad behavior is enabled by the toxic and superficial wealth culture surrounding them. You really just want them to stop repeating the same self-destructive cycles that are ruining their lives.
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Sep 7, 2018 21:47
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Actual conservatives don’t like Mad Men because (at least at first) it comes across to them like a preachy “oh so the Good Old Days weren’t actually so good because black people had it rough huh  “
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Sep 7, 2018 23:38
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Pick posted:The West Wing is complete soap opera tripe for white people who think they're liberal but actually aren't and will be voting conservative in at most 15-20 years.
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Sep 8, 2018 01:49
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How can you not mention Game of Thrones, the prestigeiest prestige tv ever?
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Sep 8, 2018 01:54
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I actually tried rewatching West Wing for the first time in a long while earlier this year, and I was just getting angry with like every second episode at what a bunch of gross neoliberals all the characters were and every episode other than that with the gross writing aimed at female characters otherwise, which made it really awkward, and I gave up by like the third season. I was getting annoyed by at least half of that content even when it was airing live for the first time back when, but I just had no time for its (Aaron Sorkin's? I've never watched any of his other shows) poo poo this time around, even with a Trump in RL's background rather than just Dubya. Maybe accelerationism really does work. Also, I have no interest in ever watching a single episode of Mad Men or anything past the pilot episode of Lost that I could barely sit through. Lost is stupid, and so are its fans. That is all.
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Xealot posted:This take is bad. There's a lot of articles online pointing out the similarities between Bojack and Don Draper as well.
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counterfeitsaint posted:How can you not mention Game of Thrones, the prestigeiest prestige tv ever? It's mostly tits and gore and dragons though?
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Sep 8, 2018 02:34
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Bojack in particular possibly makes some use of the detachment that animation provides; the sex and drugs are shown as gross and pathetic and barely dramatised or eroticised (furries notwithstanding) and Bojack's actions are shown taken to unhealthy extremes. (going after a teenage girl at his lowest point, the daughter of his ex no less, with realistic consequences even if they aren't taken to the point of legal action)
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Sep 8, 2018 03:02
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"Prestige TV" is a term made up by the same kind of people who came up with "Genre books" which is pretty much that the thing they like is better than yours by default.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:19
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Carnivale is the definition of prestige TV to me - incredibly expensive to make (everything you see on set is a hunted-down real artifact from the era), God/Devil/Bible metaphors complete with dramatic monologues, dimly shot, almost zero humor. Deadwood, now, is the most rewatchable prestige show because of how goddamn fun the characters are and how spell-inducing the writing is.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:21
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I thought Battlestar Galactica was one of the real defining cases too: kicks off with a six-hour cinematic miniseries that an entire network hangs its destiny on, then somehow retains the same production values week by week while the network implodes under its budget
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Sep 8, 2018 03:23
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I'm doing my yearly rewatch binge and man, Escape from LA never gets easier. The first time I watched it I just kind of knew where it was going and had this growing sense of dread, and that hasn't gone away.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:27
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I said something like this in another thread recently, but Mad Men is right up there with Fight Club and Catcher in the Rye where they're actually good, but if a dude says it's his favorite on his dating profile, do not date that dude.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:32
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i'm doing a rewatch too and i noticed something i missed in the last episode of season 1 the daredevil graping it up!!
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Sep 8, 2018 03:35
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He don't eat no grapes!
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Data Graham posted:I thought Battlestar Galactica was one of the real defining cases too: kicks off with a six-hour cinematic miniseries that an entire network hangs its destiny on, then somehow retains the same production values week by week while the network implodes under its budget BSG was more a precursor or ancestor. But it's definitely a harbinger for the direction TV would take, especially the first season. A lot of TV from that era, while not up to the 'standards' of prestige TV or whatever they call it, were all flirting with the formula to mixed success.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:52
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on a less comical note i forgot beatrice says this in season 2
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Brother Entropy posted:on a less comical note i forgot beatrice says this in season 2 Beatrice forgot too
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I'm giddy with excitement for the new season, absolutely chomping at the bit for it. Can't wait to laugh myself hoarse, even if it is likely to spur a bout of depression.
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