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Ck2 plus mount and blade would be rad but I think it'd work better starting with mount abd blade and adding politics than vice versa
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What I want from hypothetical CK3 is fully integrating the council mechanics and favors into the base game. Those were really good additions but really they should be involved in pretty much every interaction in the game.
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Sep 7, 2018 23:25
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RabidWeasel posted:Tbh the decay rate just needs to be reduced a bit and drilling would be good anyway, but the idea of folding drilling back into normal military support is a genius idea. Just make any stationary unit at maximum strength and army maintenance with a general in home territory gain drill each month. Massive improvement from both a usefulness and playability angle. Especially now that autonomous rebel suppression has been introduced (which is a huge buff to rebel suppression and also a micro reducer). Having to choose between that and drilling makes drilling a thing you basically never do. Especially since rebel suppression works at low maintenance now (dunno if this is intended, actually).
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Sep 8, 2018 00:28
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From CK3 I want an even deeper focus on the political role-playing game aspect, which no other game has and which makes CK2 special. Favours, for instance, are a good start, but they should be a little less binary because now what happens is that you just never allow anyone to have favours because they can wreck your poo poo with them. Small favours and large favours instead? Also more ways to actively scheme against people, e.g. if you have a high intrigue score and you have a vassal who is Possessed, you can set up an accusation of apostasy but instead of burning them at the stake you let them go if they give you a large favour. Also ways to trade things with other characters and especially rulers, like "I will denounce my claim on your title if you marry your son to my daughter." Or giving promises (and being able to break them with huge consequences).There are some of these elements in the game already but they are not structured and are based on random events. Yes this will make the human very powerful in comparison to the AI but that's always going to be the case with Paradox games and we find our own fun in them.
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Sep 8, 2018 06:33
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For *quick glances at paradox game we're actually talking about* CK3 I'd like POP's with a wide variety of material needs and ideological inclinations as well a complex chain of raw and processed goods trade between nations.
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Sep 8, 2018 09:46
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I bought stellaris (1) in the weekend sale. Science ship spotted hostiles around "Hell's Maw". I sent my fleet to investigate, assuming it was the Base for the pirates harassing my systems. They arrive and are instantly destroyed by something scary. Now the pirates are destroying my colony. A++++ exactly what I signed up for.
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Sep 8, 2018 09:50
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Baronjutter posted:For *quick glances at paradox game we're actually talking about* CK3 I'd like POP's with a wide variety of material needs and ideological inclinations as well a complex chain of raw and processed goods trade between nations. that seems reasonable for any paradox game except CK although it'd be nice to have CK tackle the societal and economic effects of the black death and mongol invasions. the tribal/feudal split at least captures some of the feeling of the early middle ages, but the world is pretty much done changing after 1100
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Sep 8, 2018 10:32
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Especially now that autonomous rebel suppression has been introduced (which is a huge buff to rebel suppression and also a micro reducer). Having to choose between that and drilling makes drilling a thing you basically never do. Especially since rebel suppression works at low maintenance now (dunno if this is intended, actually). Uhh that sounds like a bug but yeah I agree, the new rebel suppression is very strong and crowds out drilling even more.
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Sep 8, 2018 12:12
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Autonomous suppression works in mysterious ways. All I know is that I've gotten -5 statewide unrest with 12k troops at like half maintenance before. edit: Here it is with 12k troops at something like 66% maintenance. This would've given you around -2 unrest in one province before. Now it's -5 in three?   Paying for your troops and drilling is for suckers now. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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Sep 8, 2018 14:23
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Uh, so something happened in my CK2 game and I don't know how to deal with it. I was playing Kingdom of Achaia, having achieved independence about a 150 years ago but the empire is still around, mostly due to me beating up on the muslims to build up my powerbase and work towards an empire. Anyway, obviously the two Greek orthodox nations were pretty heavily intermingled marriage wise so at one point my dad became the ruler of the Empire somehow. Long story short my King of Achaia And Shitloads of the Middle East and Italy is now the emperor of Byzant. And the empire is a mess, involved in a shitload of wars and has vassals intermingled all over the place. BUT I can't destroy the title or give it away since it's my highest one. What do i do? I was perfectly happy just trundling along slowly becoming the most powerful nation after the reformed Aztecs and I don't want to deal with this noise.
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Sep 8, 2018 14:29
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I’d like a CK3 to find a way to properly represent the Byzantine political system, since the way it has to rather awkwardly fit into CK2’s feudal system just doesn’t produce something that feels like the way things worked. e.g. losing the support of the people of Constantinople was basically game over for every emperor other than Justinian, and the viceroyalty system doesn’t really reflect the Themes because of how they interact with counts and landownership. I think you’d need playable landless characters to do the Byzantines right, which would also be something I’d like in CK3.
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Sep 8, 2018 14:33
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Being able to start out as or be demoted to a landless character, and having the internal politics systems to make something like that enjoyable and interesting, would be a cool direction to take a new crusader kings. Would be cool to lose everything in an invasion and then spend decades in a foreign court building support to retake your throne.
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Sep 8, 2018 14:44
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Red Bones posted:Being able to start out as or be demoted to a landless character, and having the internal politics systems to make something like that enjoyable and interesting, would be a cool direction to take a new crusader kings. Would be cool to lose everything in an invasion and then spend decades in a foreign court building support to retake your throne. Generally the closer it gets to Romance of the Three Kingdoms X, the better. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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Sep 8, 2018 14:47
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In the same way that imperator Rome is a testbed for Eu5, a romance of the three kingdoms game would be a cool testbed for ck3.
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Sep 8, 2018 15:23
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Kaza42 posted:It's been said a hundred times before, and I'll keep saying it despite that it's almost certainly a bad idea, but:  Love this idea.
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Sep 8, 2018 15:46
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Red Bones posted:In the same way that imperator Rome is a testbed for Eu5, a romance of the three kingdoms game would be a cool testbed for ck3. As long as it doesn't end up like the last game set in the far east made as a testbed for a new Crusader Kings, anyway.
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Sep 8, 2018 16:38
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Red Bones posted:Being able to start out as or be demoted to a landless character, and having the internal politics systems to make something like that enjoyable and interesting, would be a cool direction to take a new crusader kings. Would be cool to lose everything in an invasion and then spend decades in a foreign court building support to retake your throne.
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Sep 8, 2018 18:29
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Kaza42 posted:It's been said a hundred times before, and I'll keep saying it despite that it's almost certainly a bad idea, but: Not quite what your looking for, but check out warsim on steam. It's... interesting and has a lot of what your describing. Paying for an educated Noble to be your steward while you go personally unfuck your army? Better hope he's not a greedy dipshit lol
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Sep 8, 2018 18:37
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Tbh, I don't think they should start working on CK3 just yet, and instead do Senkoku 2 so they'd be able to go "aha, well, what will work and what will not" without the grognards imploding that I can't implore satan to impregnate my kidnapped muslim half-sister at launch They could try out a buncha poo poo that was good and worked in CK2 after the DLC in a smaller, more contained area, while still working at least somewhat on 3
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Sep 8, 2018 19:13
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Red Bones posted:Being able to start out as or be demoted to a landless character, and having the internal politics systems to make something like that enjoyable and interesting, would be a cool direction to take a new crusader kings. Would be cool to lose everything in an invasion and then spend decades in a foreign court building support to retake your throne. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=497769358
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Sep 8, 2018 19:14
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Landless characters and more developed economic/trading systems would be nice, and if you put them together maybe you could play as a merchant. There's a whole genre of games like that. I think maybe some kind of influence system might be good too? Something to model how feudalism isn't absolute, it's just a series of mutual loyalties between vassals and lieges. A way for realms to drift apart under bad leaders who don't put the effort into keeping their realm together, and distant vassals/possessions to just drift out of the control of its liege without a big fuckoff war, or for massive empires that are poorly led maybe not caring so much when a distant province is picked on. A solution to blobbing and a way to represent weird situations with divided loyalties or kings who sort of owe vassalage to other kings like William the Conqueror. Maybe even the crusades (or the first crusade at least) could have more direct involvement from the Byzantines, who would have to try to maintain influence over the crusading kings (or princes or other lords), but if they screw up or abandon the crusade, then all of a sudden these crusaders start setting up their own crusader states. Also I'm torn between wanting more little personal events to fill up empty time and wanting just higher top speeds.
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Sep 8, 2018 19:18
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All I'd really want in the way of core changes is to break provinces up into baronies, integrate the council/favor stuff more with the rest of the politics, and spin the way of life focuses into a broader "what's my character doing while not ruling" system. Doing playable landless characters really well would practically be a second game and I don't expect it to happen. Sindai fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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Sep 8, 2018 19:45
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Tbh, I don't think they should start working on CK3 just yet, and instead do Senkoku 2 so they'd be able to go "aha, well, what will work and what will not" without the grognards imploding that I can't implore satan to impregnate my kidnapped muslim half-sister at launch paradox releasing games they refuse to support immediately after again would really hurt my opinion of them
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Sep 8, 2018 19:50
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Stellaris is a testbed for V3
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Sep 8, 2018 20:27
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Beamed posted:paradox releasing games they refuse to support immediately after again would really hurt my opinion of them march of the eagles deserved room to soar maybe, i didn't actually play it
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Sep 8, 2018 21:37
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What was sengoku a testbed for? What will be the testbed for vicky 3?
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Sep 8, 2018 22:06
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My Imaginary GF posted:What was sengoku a testbed for? sengoku was the tesbed for ck2 the test bed for Vicky 3 will he the next big stellaris update
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Sep 8, 2018 22:10
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Stellaris is
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Nuclear War posted:Uh, so something happened in my CK2 game and I don't know how to deal with it. I was playing Kingdom of Achaia, having achieved independence about a 150 years ago but the empire is still around, mostly due to me beating up on the muslims to build up my powerbase and work towards an empire. Anyway, obviously the two Greek orthodox nations were pretty heavily intermingled marriage wise so at one point my dad became the ruler of the Empire somehow. Can you switch to Elective or provoke a claimant revolt somehow?
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Sep 8, 2018 22:13
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I think you can manually release vassals, or if you want to give them a fighting chance, forge them into kingdoms before releasing them. Don't think there's a mechanic to voluntarily disband the title of emperor. You could probably do it with the console, but the best you could do otherwise is just let some other guy have enough of the empire's de jure territory to usurp the title from you.
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Sep 8, 2018 22:27
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If find the weakest part of Paradox games is the wars. I'd be all over a game that's purely about messing with economic systems and optimizing your nation/corporation/whatever.
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Sep 8, 2018 22:55
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:If find the weakest part of Paradox games is the wars. I'd be all over a game that's purely about messing with economic systems and optimizing your nation/corporation/whatever. that game is called eve online
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Sep 8, 2018 23:02
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:If find the weakest part of Paradox games is the wars. I'd be all over a game that's purely about messing with economic systems and optimizing your nation/corporation/whatever. i want more games to take a cue from Rule the Waves and have not play as a country, but as a specific actor within a country. the grognard games thread continually brings up how hard a game about being a military supply company where you try to give complete equipment contracts but also
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Sep 8, 2018 23:04
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Agean90 posted:sengoku was the tesbed for ck2 how can stellaris be a test bed for vicky 3 when it has no pops?
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Sep 8, 2018 23:46
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My Imaginary GF posted:how can stellaris be a test bed for vicky 3 when it has no pops? check the dev diaries for beta pops
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Sep 8, 2018 23:50
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that game is called eve online it would be cool if this were true, but most eve players are the grunt line workers. it's not really comparable
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Sep 8, 2018 23:56
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Agean90 posted:check the dev diaries for beta pops Pops of non-accepted ethnicities you can convert into soldiers and send in as the vanguard against the franco-austrian-danish triple alliance until they're all dead?
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Sep 9, 2018 03:20
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My Imaginary GF posted:Pops of non-accepted ethnicities you can convert into soldiers and send in as the vanguard against the franco-austrian-danish triple alliance until they're all dead? they're representations of populations devided by species and assigned to specialized jobs and will unquestionably get modified when Vicky 3 comes out. So replace the triple alliance with a horde of really hungry space bugs and yes
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Sep 9, 2018 04:10
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Agean90 posted:So replace the triple alliance with a horde of really hungry space bugs and yes I don't see a difference, the French are going to eat all of us if we don't fight back.
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The space bugs capital doesn't have the same odor of piss the French's has
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