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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:With all this free content I'm going to be disappointed if the first DLC isn't something really substantial. haemimont's track record here is pretty good. they released a lot of poo poo dlc when kalypso was their publisher, which just indicates that the developer is prolific in post launch content and the publisher packaged it for stupid cash ins. paradox has a much saner paid dlc model that still encourages constant releases so i anticipate that the next paid dlc will be pretty big in adding content. the progression of tropico 3 -> tropico 3.5 -> tropico 4 -> tropico 4.5 added a LOT of new stuff, much of which was good and most of the rest, not bad Wyld Karde posted:Haemimont's lead designer just gave me Reddit Silver and implied he'd been waiting for this to be discovered. I found an easter egg, folks! lmao that's great, do they do anything
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boner confessor posted:haemimont's track record here is pretty good. they released a lot of poo poo dlc when kalypso was their publisher, which just indicates that the developer is prolific in post launch content and the publisher packaged it for stupid cash ins. paradox has a much saner paid dlc model that still encourages constant releases so i anticipate that the next paid dlc will be pretty big in adding content. the progression of tropico 3 -> tropico 3.5 -> tropico 4 -> tropico 4.5 added a LOT of new stuff, much of which was good and most of the rest, not bad They've also basically outright said the big DLCs will likely be Terraforming/long distance Trains and whatnot. With the leader developer saying he'd like to do underground areas if possible. So yeah it seems they have some hefty stuff on the horizon. Terraforming won't be a cheap thing to add yet it seems like their biggest goal if only because everyone asked for it.
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boner confessor posted:lmao that's great, do they do anything Looks like they just stand there, looking around a bit. Just a cute little something to find.
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Rookersh posted:They've also basically outright said the big DLCs will likely be Terraforming/long distance Trains and whatnot. With the leader developer saying he'd like to do underground areas if possible. Endgame goals are really the only thing that the game lacks at the moment I think so I might well be in the market for stuff like that.
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Jun 14, 2018 18:44
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I have no idea how it would work or be different from a dome, but some of the canyon/pit terrain set pieces just beg to have a dome cover the open area and some cool rear end city cut into the open rock around the edges of it. It’s kind of a random idea and purely based on the aesthetic quality, but... Surviving Mars looks like it has a good future ahead of it.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:I have no idea how it would work or be different from a dome, but some of the canyon/pit terrain set pieces just beg to have a dome cover the open area and some cool rear end city cut into the open rock around the edges of it. I did think that with the map generating these terrain sections it would be very sensible to have them function as unique structure and resource sites, ala Anno 2070 with its hydro and mine spots. Also be nice to be able to remove some of them perhaps.
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I picked this up a few days ago and I've been having a blast, flaws aside. My last game got to around Sol 110 and approximately 300 people (~275% diff Europe/Rocket Scientist) before the logistics system basically hosed me. I hadn't realized, but I was using my shuttles an absolute fuckload and I fell way, way behind on my fuel production far too late. I think my mistake was making a series of 1-2 small domes all over, rather than making one central base with mega domes. Because transporting everything via shuttle sucks rear end and is expensive. I think my next game I'm going to focus on one large area, clear out small domes for big ones when I research them, and focus on keeping all my finished goods in that large central base. I'll build tiny domes for mining outposts but that's it, no more storing 400 metal offsite from my machine factory on the other side of the map.
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Fuel is essentially free though. Once you've got some infrastructure up, it's the easiest advanced resource to produce. Before upgrades two vaporators feeds one fuel factory, all you need to add is electricity. It's worth noting that having fuel production next to your shuttle hubs does help, as you're not spending fuel to move fuel. Also, and this is just a feeling I have, but it feels like shuttles are a lot more efficient if you invest heavily in them. Having a hub next to every cluster of domes rather than just a few central hubs means the shuttles won't have to cover the entire map.
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Groetgaffel posted:Before upgrades two vaporators feeds one fuel factory, all you need to add is electricity. one vaporator can feed one factory, and after the upgrade you can go two vapors for three factroys
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There's not really an easy way to move resources from outposts to central hubs is there? I'm trying to move rare metals from an outpost to my central rocket hub and short of loading up an RC transport there doesn't seem to be any way to get them there. Using the transport route option doesn't work half the time; the transport route will break entirely if there's nothing to pick up at the site when it goes there. Shuttles don't seem to want to move the resources either, even if I put my rare metals depot as high priority.
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Shuttles I think only move things when there is demand for them at the destination and there is nothing in the destination stockpile, in order to save fuel. They're basically just in time logistics. You could try not putting any rare metals depots at the outpost, as I think that the mine should be able to store some, and the shuttles might pick up directly from it and take it to the central depot? I've not tried it though.
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You can set up a repeating course for the transport to automatically move a pile from one depot to another, too.
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Yeah I'm finally getting the hang of how logistics and base design work. This game is still awful at teaching some parts - I had no idea that you could change the drone service radius until the last 5 minutes of my previous game. I mean, I'm also playing on like ~300% difficulty with a random start location so some of the blame is on me. I did get some mods that improve colonist/rover AI so that should be interesting next time around. I've also learned that 12k water in a deposit is not actually a super high 'oh, I'm good forever' amount, and that I should always be at least seeking new water sources. I ran out unexpectedly and the next source was 75% across the map. I ran out because I kept everything in one big life support loop, so my fuel generators were draining the hell out of it without me realizing. Sorry, Mars dudes.
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i dont even tap underground water except as an emergency supply, it's just so much easier to plan steady growth around vaporators and tank farms it's a bit discordant as a resource because rare metals you can export, metals you need for basic infrastructure, but water can be 'mined' infinitely so...
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I'll probably try and do that next game, and also have vaporators connected to fuel on their own life support link. I really think my infrastructure problems are largely because my bases tend to be suburban sprawl: mars edition. It doesn't help that the game is so goddamn slow sometimes even on max speed that I didn't realize I was in a death spiral until like hour 7 or 8 of my game.
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Vasudus posted:I'll probably try and do that next game, and also have vaporators connected to fuel on their own life support link. I really think my infrastructure problems are largely because my bases tend to be suburban sprawl: mars edition. It doesn't help that the game is so goddamn slow sometimes even on max speed that I didn't realize I was in a death spiral until like hour 7 or 8 of my game. tropico had the same problem, the developers clearly want you to play the game in a less than optimal way. the resource toolbar is an aggregate measure across your infrastructure networks, but then you're somewhat encouraged to have different networks in different locations which make the toolbar useless over time? i need to build domes all over the map but running long pipes and cables just wastes resources and drone labor via higher risk of pipe/cable breaks? there's all these mechanics encouraging you to make decisions that introduce artificial difficulty. or i could just play the game a different way and break it in half. in tropico, there's no need to ever do the evil dictator things because even with difficulty cranked all the way up you can just absolutely whip the economic model into shape by playing as a benevolent socialist paradise. on mars there's a couple iron rules - never accept idiot colonists, never tap ground water, make clusters of domes with shared life support that act as self contained independent clusters - that just remove a lot of the difficulty even when you're playing with difficulty raising rules
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Are there any must have quality of life mods for the current game? I had some old ones, not sure if they are worth using anymore.
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I use the following mods: Unlimited Scanning Drone Load Balancing Better AI Increased Dome Work Area (15 Hexes) Wide Area Concrete Extractor Waste Rock Liquefaction Plant Mod Config Show Resources on Resupply Screen AutoExplore AutoGatherTransport Drones Fix Leaks Faster Really nothing too outrageous. The Wide Area Concrete Extractor just adds an extractor that's pretty expensive (worth 2.5 regulars give or take) but works like every other extractor in the game, or any other game for that matter. Build one, it slowly eats all the concrete in a deposit and removes it from the map. So you don't have to make 2-3 different ones and still have leftovers. The Waste Rock one just allows an expensive (~400m) prefab option so you don't have to wait until mid-late game to handle waste rock.
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New Dev Diary: https://twitter.com/surviving_mars/status/1024616376391090176?s=21 Among other things they're changing power so that power consumers/producers don't have to be connected to the power line, just adjacent to something that's hooked up.
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Chakan posted:New Dev Diary: Not with regards to the patch, but I really wish they'd evolve the export system a little more. It would be nice to have things other than rare metals and research to trade for cash.
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I'm extremely excited for the storage changes. My most frustrating thing when playing was ensuring food was nearby for my colonists and stashing all my resources as I strip mined the gently caress out of things. Now I can probably set up a huge depot with shuttles and properly ration off things how I want.
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Those changes will get me playing again, I was too annoyed by the storage and power management.
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drat, they're being pretty thorough with addressing the things a lot of people were complaining about after launch! I think with this update they'll have taken care of pretty much all the issues that were keeping me from playing another 300+ hours (this game is so much my jam).
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In mod-related news, basically everything I wanted ended up updated already, but Expanded Cheat Menu is... hosed for the time being according to the developer of it. They ripped out a ton of code functions that he was using for the mod and then they ported the Cheats menu to XShortcutsHost instead of what they were doing before, so now he has to basically rebuild the mod from the bottom up. Lol. I guess I'm gonna have to figure out another way to get truly randomly-generated maps going. 
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I read a review on gog.com that the GOG version of this game doesn't support mods or let you mod it, is this true? As in, no way to get the Steam workshop mods for the non-Steam version?
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Ambaire posted:I read a review on gog.com that the GOG version of this game doesn't support mods or let you mod it, is this true? As in, no way to get the Steam workshop mods for the non-Steam version? Couldn’t you just use the CD key and put it on Steam anyway if it didn’t?
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Weavered posted:Couldn’t you just use the CD key and put it on Steam anyway if it didn’t? .. what CD key?
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GOG offers that sometimes but not with all games
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It supports mods, but you can’t get them from the Steam workshop directly. You should be able to find a bunch on Nexusmods and you’ll have to place them in the mods folder manually.
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The new geometric dome types fit together very well. Curious to see what the next update adds in terms of difficulty and if they're going to do any of those expansions.
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That's a real pretty layout. I wish that people would utilize jobs/services past one dome away, but unfortunately they don't, so I usually end up with a spoke-based system.
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What could have been, in the darkest timeline https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1aAGQWC80 Edit: Uh woops wrong mars
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OwlFancier posted:The new geometric dome types fit together very well. what map is this? aside from the glut of other games competing for my time, the big thing keeping me away from this game was trying to find enough flat land to build large dome clusters
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luxury handset posted:what map is this? aside from the glut of other games competing for my time, the big thing keeping me away from this game was trying to find enough flat land to build large dome clusters That would be 37N 120E It's a bit random as to whether you get features which get in the way on any given map.
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OwlFancier posted:That would be 37N 120E luxury handset posted:what map is this? aside from the glut of other games competing for my time, the big thing keeping me away from this game was trying to find enough flat land to build large dome clusters If you'd like to know what the terrain looks like before you embark, get the View Colony Map mod. Steam workshop link skymods link Map preview example  Ingame map 
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Here's a few coordinates that I ended up liking enough to write down. I think they've all got decent building space and concrete/metals, and no dust devils or cold waves. Ditto for meteor or dust storm danger, I play with the level 5 rules for each. 28s101w 19n165w 15n131e 13n110e 24n111e. My favorite is my current map though: 9N90E. Lots of open flat space. As long as you avoid the death spiral when the metals run dry... 
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Ambaire posted:If you'd like to know what the terrain looks like before you embark, get the View Colony Map mod. Steam workshop link The problem is more with the small features that spawn on the map, as they're the main building blocker.
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Killstick posted:What could have been, in the darkest timeline With all the Mysteries going on in this game, at least one of them could be a portal to hell.
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This thread kinda died, but the Sagan update dropped last week. Looks like most of it is QoL stuff they borrowed from mods, though there is a new challenge mode. Items of interest: Challenge mode - Complete a timed objective in a pre-built scenario. 24 challenge scenarios available Concrete extractors now work like they do in the wide area extractors mod and will just hoover up the deposit until it's depleted, no more micro-ing them around the deposit to suck out every last erg of concrete. Rovers don't have deplete-able batteries anymore, and the Command AI research basically turns on the automated mode from the autonomous rovers mod. Research randomization is now tied to map seed, so the tech matrix (research order and breakthroughs) will always be the same for a given map. This is supposed to be for high score competitions and challenge modes I guess. Dust producing buildings will now show their area of effect. Big pile of bugfixes and some balance changes. I haven't played around with the challenge mode any, but the QoL fixes are nice. Really just means unchecking a couple of mods from my mod order, but it's nice to see that the game is still getting post launch support.
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