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noted bad coach has 6 consecutive winning seasons with five of those seasons having at least a single playoff win the seahawks may not be world beaters any more but lol at the idea that Pete Carroll is a bad coach. You may not like him personally or may not like his approach or style but it is a little silly to think that a bad coach could lead to that kind of success
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:30 |
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https://twitter.com/Softykjr/status/1037933239782924288?s=20
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:31 |
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shirts and skins posted:I respect a lot of your insights on here and agree that Pete has his problems (gently caress Jordan Peterson), but I think the burden of proof is pretty high on you here if you're going to call him a "bad coach". The dude was just a hair away from his sixth straight double digit win season. How many coaches have managed that, ever? This is a league that still employs Marvin Lewis. Pat Shurmur just got another head coaching job. I was exaggerating for comedic effect and because I knew it would get some people riled. I'll stop trolling because you seem cool. In reality I think Pete isn't awful, just a mediocre coach who lucked into some amazing defensive talent and parlayed that into a Super Bowl win and some good seasons. He's been coasting on that talent and that win for quite a while, and the Seahawks have had a steady downward trajectory for a few years now. The drafting hasn't been great, the hiring/firing of staff has been downright strange, and to be honest I didn't really buy him as a genius coach from the beginning. Now that we've got an opportunity to see if he can make lightning strike twice and I don't think it's gonna happen. The stuff in that article also confirms my opinion that he fosters a dysfunctional locker room and is not able to get veterans to respect him. His response to that is to try to clean house and take control back, something a good coach doesn't need to do in the first place. Of course you give out special treatment and allow RW to snitch to you this kind of thing is going to happen. Basically, my opinion is that the Legion of Boom and the success the Seahawks had was due to the players that were a part of it almost entirely, and very little due to Pete Carroll. We can bring up this conversation again after the Seahawks go 6-10 two years in a row and I'm not the only one calling for someone new.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:31 |
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:37 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:It is super duper hard for a team to win a superbowl, even if the team is better than their opposition. Football is a high variance sport. Yea, it’s real hard, in part because of dynamics like this where teams fracture over time around issues of pay, fame, favoritism, etc... But you rarely hear these kind of stories coming out of other teams. The fact that you’re hearing this one indicates that Pete did a particularly bad job of managing those dynamics. There’s obviously some fire given all of the smoke over the past couple of years and I don’t think this was the inevitable result. Pete’s a good coach but I think he’s on the downslope of his career because he’s old as hell, he’s made some really questionable hires, his GM isn’t hitting the way he used to, and the division is getting stronger on the whole. I don’t see how you can square “Russell Wilson is the future of this team and we need to build around him” with “let’s hire Brian loving Schottenheimer to coach him.”
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:39 |
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https://www.traceme.com/russell-wilson/4754/?_branch_match_id=529868742181403794
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:39 |
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Any time DFG starts to be the most frequent poster, you know things have gotten good.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 20:41 |
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Play posted:
Meh, you may be right, of course. I want things to go well, but that's the optimism of fandom. There's a reason why I was excited this off-season though, I knew that last team wouldn't last much longer and it was good to see them acknowledge that and go in a new direction rather than fart around stagnantly for a few years. They're gonna lose on Sunday in any case, Fluker is out and Von Miller is going to eat Germain Ifedi alive. I think Sanders is going to have a huge day in the slot, too. Opening at Mile High is just brutal.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:37 |
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shirts and skins posted:Meh, you may be right, of course. I want things to go well, but that's the optimism of fandom. There's a reason why I was excited this off-season though, I knew that last team wouldn't last much longer and it was good to see them acknowledge that and go in a new direction rather than fart around stagnantly for a few years. Seahawks record on road openers is incredibly bad and Case Keenum is very good under pressure, i guve this game 50/50. Seahawks still making playoffs whether they win or lose this game.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:42 |
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Actually you have lovely opinions and incorrect analysis of football pretty much across the forum. So you don't get to retreat now pretending to be the trolling puppet master.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:44 |
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Coldforge posted:Any time DFG starts to be the most frequent poster, you know things have gotten good. i miss the lwb days myself
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:44 |
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JPrime posted:i miss the lwb days myself post the receipts
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:45 |
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This season is gonna look a lot like last season except we won't have Blair Walsh to blame for losses and everyone in Seattle is going to quit on them even though that's actually a pretty good outing for a team that's resetting this hard.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:46 |
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shirts and skins posted:Meh, you may be right, of course. I want things to go well, but that's the optimism of fandom. There's a reason why I was excited this off-season though, I knew that last team wouldn't last much longer and it was good to see them acknowledge that and go in a new direction rather than fart around stagnantly for a few years. Couldn't agree with you more regarding taking the Hawks in a new direction, I just feel they could've taken that plan a bit further and bring some new blood into the coaching room/front office and really make a clean break from the Legion of Boom era. Obviously that would be a very bold decisions because as you guys pointed out he's had a lot of success, the most successful coach in Seahawks history. In my mind though waiting for him to fail worse is being reactive rather than proactive. I like Denver's chances against them, but they still definitely have a chance. I'm super curious to see the game because we'll finally get a real idea of what the team will be like this year.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:47 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Yea, it’s real hard, in part because of dynamics like this where teams fracture over time around issues of pay, fame, favoritism, etc... YOLOsubmarine posted:Pete’s a good coach but I think he’s on the downslope of his career because he’s old as hell, he’s made some really questionable hires, his GM isn’t hitting the way he used to, and the division is getting stronger on the whole. Agreed 100%. Pete's biggest flaw is his awful choices in coordinators. And a dogged loyalty to them even when they aren't performing.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:47 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Actually you have lovely opinions and incorrect analysis of football pretty much across the forum. So you don't get to retreat now pretending to be the trolling puppet master. my opinions are good and strong and I do what I want Play fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 7, 2018 |
# ? Sep 7, 2018 21:56 |
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I'm gonna bet most locker rooms have similar experiences that was described in that article, but the fact that we always hear about Seattle's locker room issues really speaks to the culture that Carroll cultivated.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:12 |
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When the Incognito stuff came out, the Dolphins coach rightfully caught poo poo for that too, and for the same good reasons.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:18 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Actually you have lovely opinions and incorrect analysis of football pretty much across the forum. So you don't get to retreat now pretending to be the trolling puppet master. Nah, he's pretty hit or miss like everyone else on these forums. He's just brave/stupid&arrogant enough to frequently state his view. We all dumb here. Except you, of course.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:21 |
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Coldforge posted:Nah, he's pretty hit or miss like everyone else on these forums. He's just brave/stupid&arrogant enough to frequently state his view. From: Coldforge
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:25 |
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Coldforge posted:He's just stupid & arrogant enough to frequently state his view. Ummm, excuse me? You forgot drunk
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:28 |
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DaFrugalGamer posted:From: Coldforge Congrats on deciphering forum post format, DFG. Learn a little every day!
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:29 |
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the more i think about this the more i think it's sour grapes from sherman
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 22:49 |
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DaFrugalGamer posted:post the receipts i am now glad i have not returned to that hellspace.
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 23:51 |
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JPrime posted:i am now glad i have not returned to that hellspace. u left?
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 02:00 |
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https://twitter.com/johnpboyle/status/1038156297659539457?s=20
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 02:02 |
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i only read the last page and play is right
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 02:28 |
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*Pete Carroll builds great defenses everywhere he goes, wins titles at both college and pro level in unprecedented fashion, will almost certainly go into the Hall of Fame* "Hmm yes just a mediocre coach who stumbled into one good defense"
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 06:53 |
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Great defenses are born, not made. *Taps temple in sagely fashion*
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 07:24 |
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Benne posted:*Pete Carroll builds great defenses everywhere he goes, wins titles at both college and pro level in unprecedented fashion, will almost certainly go into the Hall of Fame*
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 12:56 |
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His legendary defense was built by an alcoholic draft wizard and he proceeded to spend $75 and a packet of big league chew for several years to protect his franchise QB. Their window is over because he has so thoroughly mismanaged the team over the last few years. He is still better than about half the coaches out there so you have to keep him though.
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 13:59 |
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:He is still better than about half the coaches out there so you have to keep him though.
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 14:08 |
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The way he won titles at USC, via flagrant cheating, has plenty of precedent.
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# ? Sep 8, 2018 14:50 |
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For all his faults, if Pete didn't love garbage offensive coaches so much he'd probably still be sitting pretty.
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# ? Sep 9, 2018 01:09 |
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Bob Socko posted:And there’s the other thing. Who is both available and an upgrade? No idea. I think he's old and his brain is slowing down but his teams are prepared and Wilson is a sack dodging cheat code. As soon as Wilson gets injured he's fired.
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# ? Sep 9, 2018 01:19 |
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Pete is also really good at developing defensive talent
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# ? Sep 9, 2018 02:08 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Pete is also really good at developing defensive talent just look what he did for Malcolm Butler's career!
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# ? Sep 9, 2018 02:27 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Ork fans get really mad when you bring this up, so checks out But they don't get mad when the red ones go faster hrumph Also Russell Wilson is good and my QB
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# ? Sep 9, 2018 04:52 |
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There's real football today, between honest to god NFL teams, not those namby-pamby mid-West and East coast pretenders. *checks to make sure there's no divisional games* Go NFC Best
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I appreciate the sentiment, but this isn't college football! We don't need strength of schedule rankings to get in the playoffs. So screw the NFC West, except for my team! Really don't see Seattle winning in Denver though. :-/ Because of injuries we're gonna see Tre Flowers (not that one, this is a new one) start at CB2...about a year early in my estimation. Perfect Carroll CB body, but he played safety in college and has a lot to learn. Godspeed, lanky dude.
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