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Cyrano4747 posted:here, phone pics My mom's a chef who hates Henckle kitchen knives since she finds the grips the most uncomfortable thing imaginable in her small hands, next time I talk to her I'll tell her they're meant to be used on the end of a rifle.
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PittTheElder posted:Shame there wasn't a Greco-Roman statue around, this might not have been so far off the mark. Has there ever been a semi-intact sample of gaudy assed Greco-Roman statuary or are we just assuming it was this bad from the few that still had traces of paint on them? (I realize this is especially bad, and not GR sculpture, but for fucks sake, I’d pass that poo poo up at El Mercado [San Antonio goon]. Can that even be restored without destroying it?
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Cessna posted:You wouldn't happen to know about the Russian practices, would you? While ago I read about the Finnish War 1808-1809 (Hårdstedt: 2007). The book mentions that Swedish army tried to supply the troops from Sweden. Russian army in 1808 was promised only 50% supplies from Russia, even though it is quite close. The other 50% they had to find on their own. The Russian troops had some measly amount of money to buy food and then they had to resort to their persuasion skills. The book makes a point that Swedish troops suffered from supply problems all the time, whereas hungry Russian soldiers were much more efficient in foraging supplies.
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Well this might be interesting: a wargaming company has decided to do a reprint of a book about HEY GUNS' dudes (European Weapons & Warfare 1618-1648, by Eduard Wagner) that looks pretty neat. HEY GUNS, do you have copy of the original, is it a good book?
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Bulgaroctonus posted:Has there ever been a semi-intact sample of gaudy assed Greco-Roman statuary or are we just assuming it was this bad from the few that still had traces of paint on them? (I realize this is especially bad, and not GR sculpture, but for fucks sake, I’d pass that poo poo up at El Mercado [San Antonio goon]. Can that even be restored without destroying it? I mean, traces of paint is all you need if you can determine the colour from them.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It's a long bayo Pfft. That ain't a long bayonet.  Random steak knife for scale. Apparently when the Brits adopted the SMLE (the S is for Short, it was carbine-length at the time), they lengthened the bayonet to keep the stabby bit at the same distance. Yvonmukluk posted:Well this might be interesting: a wargaming company has decided to do a reprint of a book about HEY GUNS' dudes (European Weapons & Warfare 1618-1648, by Eduard Wagner) that looks pretty neat. HEY GUNS, do you have copy of the original, is it a good book? I'd like to see him do an episode on his own tank, the M1A1, but sadly it's not in the game and even if his company paid for it, most of the fun stuff is probably still classified. Edit: when the sun comes up, I'll post a photo of the rifle with the bayonet on. It's ridiculous -- 25-inch barrel and 17-inch blade. HEY GUNS' guys would love it. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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ChubbyChecker posted:I've understood that prior to Industrial age the soldiers had to pay for their own food. So wouldn't it have been profitable for some merchants to haul food and drink for the besieging armies, or would they just have been robbed? This wildly depends on the Army in question, and their organization. The Roman Army had a system of rations and food allowances, that was deducted from their Pay, but in some times they received an allowance on top of the pay that was taken for the food. Roman Army also provided food allowance to its allies militaries due to them being unable to support distant logistics. These food allowances were not deducted from the pay of the allies.
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Pfft. That ain't a long bayonet. My No 1 Mk III has the sword bayonet. Can confirm it's hilarious when fixed. I have an acquaintance who collects SMLE sword bayonets. Dude has over a hundred of the things. One of the most oddly specific collections I've seen.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, traces of paint is all you need if you can determine the colour from them. Yeah, but it's like opening up MSPaint and using the fill bucket to color something. They're just identifying one speck of paint, going "welp, that's what this entire piece of the statue was colored," and calling it a day. If you did that to any old art, you'd come up with something that looks ridiculous.
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Grenrow posted:They're just identifying one speck of paint, going "welp, that's what this entire piece of the statue was colored," and calling it a day. Are you really sure about this
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well this might be interesting: a wargaming company has decided to do a reprint of a book about HEY GUNS' dudes (European Weapons & Warfare 1618-1648, by Eduard Wagner) that looks pretty neat. HEY GUNS, do you have copy of the original, is it a good book? i haven't read that but now i really REALLY want to
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Kemper Boyd posted:Are you really sure about this The garish reconstructions were produced from imperfect information. You can't determine the exact coloration from whatever pigments remain, nor was the researcher's process capable of getting more info about the paint. If you only know what the pigment is, you don't really know how garish/vivid the actual statue would have looked like. It could be more subdued, or maybe even more gaudy. That being said, there's more thought put into it than what grenrow is saying. idk what they're on about
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Grenrow posted:Yeah, but it's like opening up MSPaint and using the fill bucket to color something. They're just identifying one speck of paint, going "welp, that's what this entire piece of the statue was colored," and calling it a day. If you did that to any old art, you'd come up with something that looks ridiculous. Well not all recreations are trying to show exactly what the statue looked like in antiquity. In many cases there may not be enough evidence to do so. In this example for instance:  The recreation does not try to mimic the exact colors on every inch of the statue. It only adds color where the modern researchers had good evidence about the ancient pigments, and just left the rest blank. Almost certainly the entire surface of the statue would have been painted. What it really looked like though is still disputed. The original was almost certainly more artful than the recreation, however if you take "artistic license" and then put it in a museum, you might soon find your favorite trade journal filled with angry letters to the editor or articles pointing out all the ways you're horrible and wrong about everything. If you google this statue, Augustus from Prima Porta, you can find a much more detail recreation of its colors. . . which immediately caused a storm of controversy because a lot of it is speculative. Also I think a lot of people who hate how polychrome statues look get their negative impression in a museum exhibit or somewhere, looking at something like the archer of Aphaea from an arms length away:  However up close and personal isn't the way this statue is meant to be seen. In it's original context, the statue would have been viewed like this:  Remember a lot of these sculpture were on temple pediments, 20+ meters in the air. You'd probably see them from 100+ feet away, and vibrant colors with strong contrast make it a lot easier to read the story depicted. I think you can find parallels in the use of color in modern Hindu temple sculpture.  The colors make everything a lot more readable. You can instantly tell gods from humans for example --gods are blue/green, humans more naturalistic-- while also adding small details that would be difficult to sculpt and difficult to see from a distance. Also, it's worth remembering that in an era before modern synthetic pigments, any colors left outside in the wind and rain are going to fade quite rapidly. A year in the sun is going to make them a lot less bright, so you might as well make the colors pop as much as you can when touching up. Squalid fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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Squalid posted:Also, it's worth remembering that in an era before modern synthetic pigments, any colors left outside in the wind and rain are going to fade quite rapidly. A year in the sun is going to make them a lot less bright, so you might as well make the colors pop as much as you can when touching up. Yeah, colourfulness (if you can maintain it) means prosperity and therefore is both eye-catching and attractive, just like in modern business and advertising. The difference being that nowadays it's cheap but back then all the pigments and paints were hand made luxury objects so when things were that colourful they were certain to stand out. Modern people would see them as garish and more fitting to a circus than a shrine or palace.
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The thing is that it's possible to do colorful without it looking like poo poo, and I suspect ancient painters knew how to do that. Like, look at the hindu temple example above. Whether they're doing a wash of a second color or whatever they're creating lighter colored highlights and darker colored shadows giving the illusion of texture and depth. This is the kind of basic poo poo that nerds do when painting wargame minis. A big part of why the hindu temple looks good and the recent Spanish travesty looks like garbage is that the effort was taken to do that.
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The earlier style seems to have been flat colour: Such realistic detail is a far cry from the rendering of Paris the archer. In circa 490 B.C., when it was sculpted, statues were decorated in flat colors, which were applied in a paint-by-numbers fashion. But as time passed, artists taught themselves to enhance effects of light and shadow, much as Koch-Brinkmann was doing with Caligula, created some five centuries after the archer. The Brinkmanns had also discovered evidence of shading and hatching on the “Alexander Sarcophagus” (created c. 320 B.C.)—a cause for considerable excitement. “It’s a revolution in painting comparable to Giotto’s in the frescoes of Padua,” says Brinkmann. From: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/true-colors-17888/
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What's the date around which monochrome became classy from copying ruins, and people stopped trying to keep statues painted?
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It's a well understood issue; this is one of the reasons why the same statue can get multiple proposed paintjobs  quote:this is a general problem that affects other statues where traces of ocher-based paint are discovered. It may be difficult to distinguish between brown, red, and yellow ocher. Furthermore, the red ocher still visible in the hair of ancient statues (e.g., on the Peplos Kore) may be an undercoat for a final coloring of a different hue. The bright red hair of the Peplos Kore in the "basic" version of its coloring thus gives way to brown in the version with hypothetical additions
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Cyrano4747 posted:The thing is that it's possible to do colorful without it looking like poo poo, and I suspect ancient painters knew how to do that. Like, look at the hindu temple example above. Whether they're doing a wash of a second color or whatever they're creating lighter colored highlights and darker colored shadows giving the illusion of texture and depth. This is the kind of basic poo poo that nerds do when painting wargame minis. A big part of why the hindu temple looks good and the recent Spanish travesty looks like garbage is that the effort was taken to do that. You also see colours as duller on far-off objects, so if there's a decoration you're looking at from far away it's supposed to be very vibrant. This is also a wargaming nerd thing, since some companies sell different shades of the same colour depending on the scale you want to use it in.
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Ultimately, this discussion boils down to a simple question: If the ancient Greeks had tabletop wargames, what 40K army would Alexander have played? 
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Ultimately, this discussion boils down to a simple question: Whatever one his dad left him.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Ultimately, this discussion boils down to a simple question: the high elves have good spearmen who can attack from more ranks than others, and they also have good cavalry and leadership e: P-Mack posted:Whatever one his dad left him. very true
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Squalid posted:
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well this might be interesting: a wargaming company has decided to do a reprint of a book about HEY GUNS' dudes (European Weapons & Warfare 1618-1648, by Eduard Wagner) that looks pretty neat. HEY GUNS, do you have copy of the original, is it a good book? I have a copy of that reprint, what do you want to know? It's long on illustrations, short on text...
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Chillyrabbit posted:Reminds me a bit of Victoria 4th generation war. Literally don't read it unless you want to Just reading the Let's Read of that book makes me feel dirty
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GotLag posted:Just reading the Let's Read of that book makes me feel dirty he starts a rebellion because a woman exists
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HEY GUNS posted:he starts a rebellion because a woman exists So did Adam
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GotLag posted:Just reading the Let's Read of that book makes me feel dirty Yeah. That's some truly vile bullshit right there. (The book, not the "let's read.")
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Is this the book which is literally The Handmaid's Tale, except you're supposed to sympathise with the people running Gilead?
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Chillyrabbit posted:Reminds me a bit of Victoria 4th generation war. Literally don't read it unless you want to The author of this, William Lind, is apparently a popular military theorist. He popularized the term “fourth generation war”. He also recently wrote an op-ed for some conservative think tank about a CO from my recent deployment who was fired. He blames it on political correctness and bemoans the loss of the greatest tactical mind ever.
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FastestGunAlive posted:The author of this, William Lind, is apparently a popular military theorist. He popularized the term “fourth generation war”. He also recently wrote an op-ed for some conservative think tank about a CO from my recent deployment who was fired. He blames it on political correctness and bemoans the loss of the greatest tactical mind ever. He's a loon. quote:Other views
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:He's a loon. Seems more like a piece of poo poo FastestGunAlive posted:bemoans the loss of the greatest tactical mind ever. Who?
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MikeCrotch posted:Is this the book which is literally The Handmaid's Tale, except you're supposed to sympathise with the people running Gilead?
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