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Danann posted:I'll keep that in mind if I decide to pursue a PhD in a history field. Go find the grad school thread or PM me if you want a longer explanation but in a word: don’t. In two words loving DONT
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I finish prep college in half a year, and can put you all at ease in that I have finally decided not to pursue a historical academic career in favour of forestry school. I'll never stop loving milhist and relhist, but I think I'll be thankful that I decided to do so on my own time.
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BattleMoose posted:Using colors seems both pragmatic and humourless. Although case fucsia might not be great. Operation Fuscia Reactor
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Ainsley McTree posted:I thought I heard....uh, somewhere, that the US stopped using random codewords because it started to feel inappropriate to write letters home that said things like "we regret to inform you that your son heroically died during Operation Gay Scarecrow" and wanted names with a little more gravitas. I think it was blue spoon but I as always could be wrong
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Credible Sport Trin Tragula posted:It didn't stop them calling the deception at the Pas-de-Calais "Operation Bodyguard", mind you, but the thought was there.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Go find the grad school thread or PM me if you want a longer explanation but in a word: don’t. I seriously considered it at one point. In retrospect I'm glad I didn't.
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JcDent posted:Pro-tip: don't. It's painful to read. It can't be that... *reads a few* It is. At least the tearing down is decent Cyrano4747 posted:Go find the grad school thread or PM me if you want a longer explanation but in a word: don’t. A shame in many ways, but... 
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Cessna posted:I seriously considered it at one point. I, too, considered a PhD in History (granted, 20 years ago when things were maybe not quite as hosed). Instead, I'm a programmer! 
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Anyone know how I can get six figures of debt so I can get a job that has no chance of paying it off?
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Taerkar posted:A shame in many ways, but... edit: except for the us in the 50s to the 70s, but that was a bubble funded by the US military-industrial complex
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feedmegin posted:I, too, considered a PhD in History (granted, 20 years ago when things were maybe not quite as hosed). Instead, I'm a programmer! I design gas pipelines. Maybe there aren't as many cool anecdotes about Russian acorn soup, but I suspect the pay is a lot better.
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zoux posted:Anyone know how I can get six figures of debt so I can get a job that has no chance of paying it off? The only saving grace of a history PhD is that you dont go into debt for it. Any program worth going to will give you either a job as a TA or just a flat out stipend. Either way you’re not paying tuition. The real damage comes from spending your most productive and career vital decade getting an economically uncompetitive credential.
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I try and hire people with advanced history degrees as much as possible because their writing and research skills are usually pretty good. This is my constant battle against the bureaucracy that I'm always going to lose.
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well, not ALL the problems they have today. They also had way more stabbings. and they may have invented nationalism by accident as a byproduct of the way they sorted students (one of the earliest recorded medieval uses of the word nation was in classifying college students by place of origin, the reason being that if one of them did something lovely they would all be publshed by the non-university administration of the town they were in)
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zoux posted:Anyone know how I can get six figures of debt so I can get a job that has no chance of paying it off? Law degree from a school that will take you without any connections.
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bewbies posted:I try and hire people with advanced history degrees as much as possible because their writing and research skills are usually pretty good. I do tend to be the guy with the best spelling and the ability to write long form documentation in the office compared to all the people who did comp sci, yeah.
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As I understand it, there's a degree to which the higher echelons of education are some kind of weird luxury entertainment. People who enjoy bettering themselves to very little real-world benefit. A very expensive and regimented hobby. Which I guess harkens back to the days when basically all of academia was idle nobility who didn't have to work for a living.
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I posted a thing in the IOSM thread in PYF but it occurs to me that I don't know anything about gulags so is this true at all:  
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Yeah gulags were actually really nice places to be https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/one-day-in-the-life-of-ivan-denisovich/
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Book clubs, theater groups? Aw, man, now I want to get sent to a gulag! They sound like fun!
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A website with “Stalinist” in the url sounds like a great go-to source for the real deal on gulags
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kind of a strange confluence when you got a gay rights guy mansplaining to the internet how nice gulags were
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zoux posted:I posted a thing in the IOSM thread in PYF but it occurs to me that I don't know anything about gulags so is this true at all: Short answer: no. Long answer: gently caress NO. Even longer answer: Why would you possibly think a series of tweets citing esspressostalinist.com would be accurate?
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There's a lot of Stalin rehab on the internet these days
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Hell, on this very own website, even.
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You know the level of disgust you feel instinctively when someone says that slavery in the US wasn't that bad or that the Holocaust wasn't real? that's the level of disgust you should feel for the poo poo that dude was saying. Hundreds of communities and families destroyed for non existent crimes. Thousands of innocent souls sold into slavery to support the very system that's stripped them of their dignity and freedom. gently caress that guy nobody who lived through the Stalin years would be able to say that poo poo with a straight face. http://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/...nd-their-legacy There's some actual facts so you can confront these insane internet Stalinists. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Short answer: no. I looked at that website and it's hilarious how their sources are a conspicuous mix of 1928-1933 authors and then one guy writing in 1990 (trying to explain how the Berlin Wall is just like the West requiring passports) and NOTHING INBETWEEN.
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Like most dumb things, there is a tiny kernel of truth in what our gay Stalinist friend is saying, in that gulags were actually slightly better than the mainstream western perception of them. Getting sent to one wasn't a death sentence and most people who went to one were released at some point. If the state wanted you dead, they just loving did it, no faffing about with camps. Most of the deaths in the camps were from lack of supplies (especially during the middle of WW2), neglect, and mismanagement. However, "not intentionally and actively killing people" is just about the lowest bar imaginable, gulags were real bad, and as a socialist I find modern Stalin apologists to be painfully embarrassing. Geisladisk fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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That is a hilariously bad hot take on gulags.
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But, but... book clubs!
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While it's true that sentencing was relatively short (if only compared to other states) you could easily spend life in a gulag because of re-sentencing, and you only made it that far if you weren't murdered on the orders of the administration or criminal authorities. That's before we get to the fact that you had to join criminal fraternities like the Vor y zakone to survive in jail without being raped or beaten to a pulp in some camps, and by doing so you swore only to live off crime, which meant recidivism rates and new, longer sentencing went up.
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I seem to recall that in Stalinist Russia there was literally a law against homosexuality, Article 121.1. This statement, from this organization, seems...ill advised.
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Davin Valkri posted:I seem to recall that in Stalinist Russia there was literally a law against homosexuality, Article 121.1. This statement, from this organization, seems...ill advised. No see this time he'll be in charge, so only bigots will go to the gulags!
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Holy poo poo. The account's locked down their Twitter feed, but the background on that pro-gulag rant was that they previously tweeted that "trans-exclusionary radical feminists" should be sent to gulags for re-education. Someone called them on that and that prompted the whole "No you guys the gulags weren't bad" screed.
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Yeah I cut that part out because I didn't want this to turn into a TERF thing rather than a bad history thing.
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Gaius Marius posted:http://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/...nd-their-legacy If someone's at the point where they're trying to advocate for gulags as peaceful reeducation camps that were superior to Western prisons, actual facts aren't going to do poo poo. They can simply deny anything from a reputable source as "Western bias".
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Cessna posted:But, but... book clubs! You seem really focused on these book clubs, comrade. I'm just sayin'.
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