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Phenotype posted:Okay, this was pretty fun! I'd even say slightly better than watchable! They're kinda leaning in to Danny being a well-meaning idiot, and Colleen and Mary and Misty do really well taking more of the screen time away from his dumb rear end. He still looked kinda amateurish when he was training, but the fight scenes looked a lot better, and (especially Colleen's) had a lot fewer cuts, so I didn't feel like they were trying to fake every single kick. She wasn't hired to spy on Danny. She was hired because she was a ninja assassin, to incapacitate Danny and bring him to Davos. Of course that required a lot of spying.
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Phenotype posted:Okay, this was pretty fun! I'd even say slightly better than watchable! They're kinda leaning in to Danny being a well-meaning idiot, and Colleen and Mary and Misty do really well taking more of the screen time away from his dumb rear end. He still looked kinda amateurish when he was training, but the fight scenes looked a lot better, and (especially Colleen's) had a lot fewer cuts, so I didn't feel like they were trying to fake every single kick. Starting Typhoid up on Iron Fist was a good tactical decision since now they’ve established her as a pragmatic threat that neutralizes her opponents’ strengths rather than trying to overpower them. I mean, she beat the poo poo out of Iron Fist through the ancient ninja techniques of Drug Him and Maybe Don’t Let Him Use His Fist Fu. She’s meant to be a threat to Murdoch at some point so having her blow in and stand toe to toe with him is probably not going to be believable. Now that she’s clowned on both Danny and Davos and still hasn’t shown off Bloody Mary yet, it’ll be much more believable if she wins a couple of fights.
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Finished it lastnight, didn't read a review, see a trailer or know about the casting. I thought it was a great season. Ward was the standout character, and i loved Alice Eve, they even somehow managed not to focus on her giant tits.
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Rocksicles posted:Finished it lastnight, didn't read a review, see a trailer or know about the casting.  Although hilariously they did, but only for Mary. Walker constantly having to rearrange her hair and clothes to her increasing annoyance was pretty good.
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Chokes McGee posted:
Well it's like putting a hat on an elephant and pretending it's a hat stand
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double negative posted:I actually burst out laughing at the end when Danny was suddenly dual wielding glowing guns and shot one bullet with two, then went "heh. don't do that again. (im cool now)." I know it was supposed to be a badass reveal and was probably some poo poo out of the comics, but for me it really just served as a final vindication of this season's willingness to continually sideline the lead in favor of all the other better characters/actors. It's something they took from an entirely different character who, like all sentient beings, is a better Iron Fist than TV Iron Fist. That's the most disappointing part of TV Iron Fist. They have all these interesting things to work with, and they take them and implement in the stupidest way possible.
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Mulva posted:It's something they took from an entirely different character who, like all sentient beings, is a better Iron Fist than TV Iron Fist. That's the most disappointing part of TV Iron Fist. They have all these interesting things to work with, and they take them and implement in the stupidest way possible. What character is it supposed to be? Because I feel like I'm decently versed in Marvel, but not anything related with Iron Fist, and that poo poo was cray cray. Edit: Oh, it's literally Orson Randall, the guy they name drop just before revealing Danny's wearing his outfit. That's... odd. Ville Valo fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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PunkBoy posted:The only thing I didn't like was that the flashback fight between Davos and Danny had them in those sparring shoes. I guess they could be a callback to the classic booties, but c'mon, have them fight barefoot. I was wondering where they found Adidas shoes in Kun Lyn.
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I avoided as much casting & preview news as possible, so I was confused as heck when Mary Jane Watson showed up with Peter Parker's borrowed camera. It made sense after I realized it was a different Marvel redhead Mary - but for a few fun moments I expected a crazy love triangle subplot between Iron Fist, MJ, and Spiderman.
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Ville Valo posted:What character is it supposed to be? Because I feel like I'm decently versed in Marvel, but not anything related with Iron Fist, and that poo poo was cray cray. Yeah, in the comics he's an Iron Fist who faked his own death and Danny goes and learns from him. In the show, that was the dead Iron Fist that Davos cut the tattoo from. I really wish they hadn't killed him off like that; it doesn't make sense for Orson to have stolen the body of a previous Iron Fist, but it also doesn't make sense how Davos could have used the tattoo for Iron Fist powers if it wasn't a real iron fist.
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Whalley posted:Yeah, in the comics he's an Iron Fist who faked his own death and Danny goes and learns from him. In the show, that was the dead Iron Fist that Davos cut the tattoo from. I really wish they hadn't killed him off like that; it doesn't make sense for Orson to have stolen the body of a previous Iron Fist, but it also doesn't make sense how Davos could have used the tattoo for Iron Fist powers if it wasn't a real iron fist. Wait, so your take is that Orson Randall sold Davos his own corpse? I just assumed he had access to another dead iron fist and was also highly unethical.
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Whalley posted:Yeah, in the comics he's an Iron Fist who faked his own death and Danny goes and learns from him. In the show, that was the dead Iron Fist that Davos cut the tattoo from. I really wish they hadn't killed him off like that; it doesn't make sense for Orson to have stolen the body of a previous Iron Fist, but it also doesn't make sense how Davos could have used the tattoo for Iron Fist powers if it wasn't a real iron fist. God drat it Netflix, just throw bags of money at Matt Fraction. He'll write a legitimate plot that will make sense and also have lighthearted parts that are actually amusing. Plus he'll put a call-back that's set up in the 1st ep. and not land until the 10th ep., and be the funniest thing ever. gently caress. (also, Fraction has got to be so mad they're pissing all over some of the lore he laid down in the comics -- I would be) I have officially lost all interest in Marvel Netflix. Which means I can finally cancel it.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Wait, so your take is that Orson Randall sold Davos his own corpse? I just assumed he had access to another dead iron fist and was also highly unethical. Proteus Jones posted:God drat it Netflix, just throw bags of money at Matt Fraction. He'll write a legitimate plot that will make sense and also have lighthearted parts that are actually amusing. Plus he'll put a call-back that's set up in the 1st ep. and not land until the 10th ep., and be the funniest thing ever.
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Whalley posted:My take is I thought Davos had the corpse of Orson Randall shipped in, not 'he got Orson to send him a corpse.' I don't know why Orson would have also stolen the corpse of a previous Iron Fist while he was faking his own death to get outta Kun-Lun. There's things in this show that make it really hard to focus when you got ADHD, so if I'm wrong I'm super fine with that. At the end, the guy Ward is talking to in the bar says he works for Orson Randall. It's possible that someone is using his name and he is in fact dead, but taken at face value it seems like he's alive and has various iron fisty things laying around, like those guns. Related, I think that those guns are special in some way, rather than Danny already having his powers back.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:At the end, the guy Ward is talking to in the bar says he works for Orson Randall. It's possible that someone is using his name and he is in fact dead, but taken at face value it seems like he's alive and has various iron fisty things laying around, like those guns.
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My take was that Orson having a dead Iron Fist laying around that he could give to Davos was probably in trade for Davos leaving him alone regarding Iron Fist stuff. As I recall in the comics Orson didn't really want anything to do with the Iron Fist stuff for a while and I'm guessing that's how they're introducing him here. The guns being 'fisted' was foreshadowed by Coleen having the 'fisted' sword to show that you could imbue a weapon with the power of the fist so I don't think Danny has the power back, he just has gun that have it (which is going to be a clever way of keeping Finn out of fights if he'd just John Woo'ing it up.)
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PaybackJack posted:My take was that Orson having a dead Iron Fist laying around that he could give to Davos was probably in trade for Davos leaving him alone regarding Iron Fist stuff. As I recall in the comics Orson didn't really want anything to do with the Iron Fist stuff for a while and I'm guessing that's how they're introducing him here. but..... we see colleen using her white iron fist hand after she gets the powers. it's her hand. she can hold the sword and her glowing hand continues along to the sword. why would the guns just work on their own??  why wouldnt davos just melt the guns down and use that as an ink??
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bring back old gbs posted:but..... we see colleen using her white iron fist hand after she gets the powers. it's her hand. she can hold the sword and her glowing hand continues along to the sword. My point is that she's using her powers to make the sword glow which tells us that objects can be imbued with the powers. So when Danny uses the guns the wink is that Orson learned how to permanently imbue weapons with the Fist. Coleen isn't as experienced so she can only imbue while she's wielding. As to why Davos couldn't use the guns on their own, I'd say that since Danny wasn't supposed to have them that implies that Orson didn't want to give them up. Or because when whoever wrote the steps for the ceremony guns weren't invented or because you can't remove the ink from a magic gun. Or because they writers didn't think of that and just wanted Danny to have magic guns so they could stop trying to teach Finn how to do a fight scene.
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I watched the first episode of season 2 last night and after reading the spoilers on this page I now feel confident I can stop there lol.
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PantsBandit posted:I watched the first episode of season 2 last night and after reading the spoilers on this page I now feel confident I can stop there lol. Just skip to the last episode if you don't want to watch the whole thing. That would at least prep you for any crossover stuff.
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PaybackJack posted:
I'm assuming the weapons need to be held by someone with powers to be imbued while they're holding them, and that Danny has learned to use whatever he has left after Davos took most of it. We saw that Colleen took some power from Davos the first time, and had to subdue him to take the rest, so it appears to be a thing you can have "part of" ...BUT he's shooting powered bullets which he isn't touching so I guess you dont need to be physically touching the thing that has iron fist powers... like the iron buttstroke bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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It just hit me that these shows have characters named both “Foggy” and “Misty”, what does it mean? 
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Stan Lee was bad at names. Actually he probably didn't create Misty, maybe not Foggy either but that sure sounds like a name he'd use. EDIT: Confirmed, Foggy was created by Stan Lee, Misty was created by Tony Isabella. Cool Dad fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Only on episode 7 but I actually really like the idea that gang members aren't just treated as mindless fodder in this season but as actual human beings who, while not great people by any stretch of the imagination, shouldn't be murdered in the streets. It reminds me of a moment I liked in Defenders, when Matt went out of his way to save a couple of idiot kids looting a TV during the blackout from being killed by a storeowner. It's really easy for these types of shows to go totally black-and-white so seeing the heroes try to save "bad" people really works for me.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Stan Lee was bad at names. Tony watched way too much Pokemon.
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bring back old gbs posted:I'm assuming the weapons need to be held by someone with powers to be imbued while they're holding them, and that Danny has learned to use whatever he has left after Davos took most of it. We saw that Colleen took some power from Davos the first time, and had to subdue him to take the rest, so it appears to be a thing you can have "part of" it's magic. you can put magic into things and keep it there. hope this helps.
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NecroMonster posted:it's magic. you can put magic into things and keep it there. hope this helps. sir I'll have you know I demand the finest realism and consistency in my dumb magic punchman shows
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Arist posted:Only on episode 7 but I actually really like the idea that gang members aren't just treated as mindless fodder in this season but as actual human beings who, while not great people by any stretch of the imagination, shouldn't be murdered in the streets. It reminds me of a moment I liked in Defenders, when Matt went out of his way to save a couple of idiot kids looting a TV during the blackout from being killed by a storeowner. It's really easy for these types of shows to go totally black-and-white so seeing the heroes try to save "bad" people really works for me.
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Who is to blame for every time Elektra appears in Daredevil and the Defenders the story gets a hundred times worse and Charlie Cox loses all acting ability and instead acts dumber than Iron Fist? Because that poo poo gave me whiplash. You can fast forward through every Elektra scene in DD season 2 and you lose nothing and the show is actively better because instead it's The Punisher and Fisk.
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Lid posted:Who is to blame for every time Elektra appears in Daredevil and the Defenders the story gets a hundred times worse and Charlie Cox loses all acting ability and instead acts dumber than Iron Fist? Because that poo poo gave me whiplash. You can fast forward through every Elektra scene in DD season 2 and you lose nothing and the show is actively better because instead it's The Punisher and Fisk. The scriptwriters had no idea what to do with her character and it’s a real shame because she was a good foil for Matt in the comics. They could have easily copypasted her arc from the comics onto the show especially since both end with her dying in the exact same way, but the copypaste would have been stronger. Her character is unique and well defined so there was nothing there for them to “improve” or “punch up” so what they ended up doing with her actively made her worse.
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PaybackJack posted:Just skip to the last episode if you don't want to watch the whole thing. That would at least prep you for any crossover stuff. This is what I did, I didn't actually hate the first season but when I read that this season involved the whole "loss of powers" bullshit trope, I'm watching an Iron Fist show, I want to actually see Iron Fist. I decided I just wanted to see the end, so I watched the first and last episode. So I guess we're going to have at least 2 Iron Fists running around next season? Colleen is a great character so I hope they don't rob her of her new powers and Danny is the actual Iron Fist so they're not going to have him without traditional powers for too long. I mean, he might already depending on how you want to interpret the guns. Ouhei fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Whalley posted:I mostly agree, but in this specific season we never really see anybody who isn't a willing participant in crime being affected by the criminals (outside of the One Guy that Davos fucks up). It makes Danny seem way less heroic; like, he's spending all his time either moving furniture or keeping local crime rackets strong. I like humanizing low level criminals. I don't like Mob Enforcer Fiction usually, unless it's hella melodramatic, and Danny was portrayed as just a mob enforcer. You are the most wrong. Henry Yip on two different occasions finds himself caught in the crossfire as two different protection rackets are leaning on him. Danny's boss is so traumatised he goes into hiding. Things escalate right away, as a man is murdered in broad daylight, stumbles through a packed store before dying in Danny's arms. Davos is the embodiment of the community's fears
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Proteus Jones posted:God drat it Netflix, just throw bags of money at Matt Fraction. He'll write a legitimate plot that will make sense and also have lighthearted parts that are actually amusing. Plus he'll put a call-back that's set up in the 1st ep. and not land until the 10th ep., and be the funniest thing ever. Brubaker had more to do with why Iron Fist ruled than Fraction.
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Doktor Per posted:You are the most wrong. Henry Yip on two different occasions finds himself caught in the crossfire as two different protection rackets are leaning on him. Danny's boss is so traumatised he goes into hiding. Davos would work as a better embodiment of community fears if he was shown to be even slightly in and around the community. Instead he just kind of hangs out with the wealthy while saying "wah wah Danny don't fist so great" before taking the fist and instantly jumping in on Danny's fight. He's not used as an effective tool in that regards, he's just kinda there saying "y'know Danny doesn't kill mobsters like he totes could."
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HIJK posted:The scriptwriters had no idea what to do with her character and it’s a real shame because she was a good foil for Matt in the comics. They could have easily copypasted her arc from the comics onto the show especially since both end with her dying in the exact same way, but the copypaste would have been stronger. Her character is unique and well defined so there was nothing there for them to “improve” or “punch up” so what they ended up doing with her actively made her worse. She's been pretty terrible in every iteration of her character outside of the comic books. Nobody seems to know what to do with her
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I'm still salted they changed Elektra's backstory for the show, and didn't do the whole Bullseye thing with her and then go ahead and bring her back later for Defenders or S3 or w/e. I like Elodie Yung a lot in the role but I just don't like what they're doing with her in the shows. Elektra is dope as hell and probably one of my favourite Marvel characters, tho I'm not horribly invested in reading any comics these days, really. But she's Greek and dope and had a cool comic with Wolverine that loving Yoshitaka Amano drew and that's my poo poo 1000% When the Daredevil movie handled her storyline better (not that it was good, though I won't deny loving Elektra spinoff in a 'this is dumb fuckin schlock and jennifer garner is hella pretty' way) you know something's off lmao.
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esperterra posted:Elektra Not a fan of the character really but she was blessed with some of the best comic art I've ever seen with Mike Del Mundo.
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Open Source Idiom posted:He also did the Blind Cannibal Assassins episode of Into The Badlands, so I'm keeping an eye on him. A good episode of a good mystic kung-fu tv show. I enjoyed this season of Colleen Wing and her Goofy Kung-fu Boyfriend too, though.
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PaybackJack posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiw3vVy_eN8
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I finished it and while some of the character motivations felt shaky and it was occasionally dumb, I honestly thought it was rather enjoyable! At worst it's pretty okay, but I liked the directions they took the story in, Ward is just amazing all the time always, and the ending was incredible.
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