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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
how fast does the wind have to be going to sandblast your skin off your bones

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Duscat posted:

gonna run out of names in about 10 years with that rule

we'll just let those kids in a montana elementary school come up with more if that happens

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Vox Nihili posted:

Japanese Meteorological Agency predicts Mangkhut's winds will reach 165 knots tomorrow (190 mph).

Mangkhut's terrible eye makes Florence look like a little babby Atlantic storm

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

lol looks like Helene is gonna gently caress off into the UK, jose is never safe

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

huh? ACE employs almost all civilians

barely any of them are troops, mostly it's locals like any other government department

i was just lolling at a red state whining that the federal government didn't do enough to protect them, but i guess this is not really the time and place for it

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe
imagine getting drowned in your attic by hurricane skylar

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Al! posted:

how fast does the wind have to be going to sandblast your skin off your bones

it wouldn't blast skin off at 500 mph but you wouldn't ever be able to be upright

Cat 7 hurricanes would have enough wind power to create tornadoes inside it so inshallah thats our future

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Duscat posted:

i was just lolling at a red state whining that the federal government didn't do enough to protect them, but i guess this is not really the time and place for it

oh lol no the army corp of engineers straightup built poo poo wrong and then tried to hide it during the investigation afterward

like they knowingly undermined floodwall structures and built to incorrectly low heights and whatnot, poo poo was crazy


but yeah afterward congress just absolutely dumped money into the new floodworks because whoops new orleans is kind of an important port

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
is anything above Cat 5 even defined as far as wind speed, and is it possible or is there kind of like a cap on the maximum power a hurricane can get

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
cat 5 is open-ended because when you get wind that fast it causes total structural failure

there's no upper limit because that's not the point


basically only concrete structures have a chance against it, and even then the exposure level of the structure is meaningful

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
[tim allenishly] MORE POWER ooooga ooooga oooga

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
well if we dont stop global warming, hurricanes sure as gently caress will stop us

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

anime was right posted:

well if we dont stop global warming, hurricanes sure as gently caress will stop us

just slowly picking off one coastal state after another

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

the bitcoin of weed posted:

lol looks like Helene is gonna gently caress off into the UK, jose is never safe

lol this was insanely rare and is now happening 2 years in a row

if anyone is feeling nostalgic here is my mate being interviewed

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/miami-visitors-ride-irma-balconies-flood-windows-crack-49746938

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

eonwe posted:

is anything above Cat 5 even defined as far as wind speed, and is it possible or is there kind of like a cap on the maximum power a hurricane can get

Cat 5 is the highest ever recorded and they were infrequent, but we are seeing them frequently so the benchmark is if they get past 200mph winds, then they have to label it as a cat 6 at that point

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

eonwe posted:

is anything above Cat 5 even defined as far as wind speed, and is it possible or is there kind of like a cap on the maximum power a hurricane can get

Once the winds get to cat 5 there's not much we can build that won't get blown apart, so there's really no reason for a higher category except to make more powerful hurricanes sound scarier.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Grondoth posted:

Once the winds get to cat 5 there's not much we can build that won't get blown apart, so there's really no reason for a higher category except to make more powerful hurricanes sound scarier.

Even a pretty big category 5 wouldn't knock down skyscrapers or anything.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

eonwe posted:

is anything above Cat 5 even defined as far as wind speed, and is it possible or is there kind of like a cap on the maximum power a hurricane can get

there's a cap based on how hot oceans can get... there's theoretically hurricanes that could throw poo poo into the stratosphere and scour the earth, but you need the boiling water like you can only get from an asteroid impact to drive it

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Vox Nihili posted:

Even a pretty big category 5 wouldn't knock down skyscrapers or anything.

no but it'll shred all the windows which is a problem when the entire building's envelope is made of glass

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

Lastgirl posted:

Cat 5 is the highest ever recorded and they were infrequent, but we are seeing them frequently so the benchmark is if they get past 200mph winds, then they have to label it as a cat 6 at that point

IIRC hurricane categories are like tornado ratings in that they measure expected damage to human made structures, cat 5 is essentially total destruction so in that sense cat 6 doesnt make sense, there is no further level of destruction

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

IIRC hurricane categories are like tornado ratings in that they measure expected damage to human made structures, cat 5 is essentially total destruction so in that sense cat 6 doesnt make sense, there is no further level of destruction

They literally only measure wind speed and not storm surge or any another factor, so it’s not really a good system

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Crusader posted:

there's a cap based on how hot oceans can get... there's theoretically hurricanes that could throw poo poo into the stratosphere and scour the earth, but you need the boiling water like you can only get from an asteroid impact to drive it

asteroids impact vaporize water before it even makes contact so it'd be pretty wicked sick if the surrounding area created huge hurricane force winds that part the skies along with the tidal surge that wipes out most life and then the remainder chokes on earth dust :q:

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Aren't hurricanes categorized by how destructive they are and not based in wind speed

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
here's what 100mph wind did to a building in miami during hurricane wilma



they're not ideal storm shelters

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Vox Nihili posted:

Mangkhut's terrible eye makes Florence look like a little babby Atlantic storm



nightmare fuel

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

twoday posted:

They literally only measure wind speed and not storm surge or any another factor, so it’s not really a good system

thats what they categorize it on, wind speed so if its above 200 mph i guess they just keep it at cat 5 when it would essentially be another category. 200 is the cap for the system

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Phi230 posted:

Aren't hurricanes categorized by how destructive they are and not based in wind speed

lol nope, just wind speed, that’s why a lot of people die when a hurricane gets downgraded. They pay attention to the category thinking that this is the case, but it ignores most factors actually. You can watch this happening right now in real time.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Crusader posted:

you need the boiling water like you can only get from an asteroid impact to drive it

You heard the man, people, let's get to work

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
boiling the oceans to own humanity

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Lastgirl posted:

Cat 5 is the highest ever recorded and they were infrequent, but we are seeing them frequently so the benchmark is if they get past 200mph winds, then they have to label it as a cat 6 at that point

The scale is based on expected wind damage to structures, but then some 'spergist on wikipedia defined it on wave and wind speed :argh:

Based on recent small changes (to keep rounding from reclassifying storms) I think they may just scale up the definitions of the categories

e: VV RUDE

Nebakenezzer has issued a correction as of 23:06 on Sep 12, 2018

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018


H.P. Hovercraft posted:

here's what 100mph wind did to a building in miami during hurricane wilma



they're not ideal storm shelters

covering a building with nothing but huge fuckoff windows in a hurricane-prone area :thunk:

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Nebakenezzer posted:

The scale is based on expected wind damage to structures, but then some 'spergist on wikipedia defined it on wave and wind speed :argh:

Based on recent small changes (to keep rounding from reclassifying storms) I think they may just scale up the definitions of the categories

*shuffles scientific papers scattered across the room, unable to keep tabs on the whole thing*

uhhh gently caress it, just label it as Hypercane, then Ultracane, then Megacane, or was it the other way around

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe
THERE'S NO HURRICANE ABOVE A CAT5 i scream as i am lofted into the stratosphere

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos
wikipedia has

quote:

According to Robert Simpson, there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir–Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to human-made structures. Simpson stated that "... when you get up into winds in excess of 155 mph (249 km/h) you have enough damage if that extreme wind sustains itself for as much as six seconds on a building it’s going to cause rupturing damages that are serious no matter how well it's engineered."[3]
to say. The categories use wind speed but the categories themselves are based on expected damage to buildings based on that wind speed. Which, as pointed out above, doesnt take storm sturge or other factors into consideration

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
hurricane helene

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

twoday posted:

lol nope, just wind speed, that’s why a lot of people die when a hurricane gets downgraded. They pay attention to the category thinking that this is the case, but it ignores most factors actually. You can watch this happening right now in real time.

they use wind speed because that's what buildings are designed to withstand and the range of wind speeds for each category is based on expected damage

rainfall and storm surge are too site-specific to be effective for a scale like that but there are proposed alternative scales that take them into account, though they haven't been adopted because they're not really useful to the general public

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

nature itself is going to teabag charleston

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Jose posted:

hurricane helene



eat it Jose!

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Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe
alexa send a tweet, current altitude: 8000 feet, this is still a cat five because that's the highest category there is, send

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