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Vadoc posted:The glorious Space Marine Chapter of Diamond Dogs. Which Legion do you think they'd come from? Space Wolves
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Sep 8, 2018 00:23
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Maybe as a new Primaris Chapter since the Space Wolves only ever had one successor chapter and that went tits up in a hurry.
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Sep 8, 2018 01:10
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Vadoc posted:Maybe as a new Primaris Chapter since the Space Wolves only ever had one successor chapter and that went tits up and a furry.
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Sep 8, 2018 01:12
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Wait, I'm dumb. Big Boss was the perfect soldier, but when his predecessor went away to do something mysterious without explanation he became disillusioned and started having doubts about his role, and eventually became this horrible monster. The Diamond Dogs are the Sons of Horus
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Sep 8, 2018 01:25
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Vadoc posted:Maybe as a new Primaris Chapter since the Space Wolves only ever had one successor chapter and that went tits up in a hurry.
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Sep 8, 2018 01:55
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I think one of those confirmed was a Primaris chapter.
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Sep 9, 2018 07:46
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Shroud of Night is an annoying book. 20% of it is really good. It's about this Imperial Fist captain defending a hive from wave after wave of Chaos attacks, as every Chaos Champion in the area throws themself at it to try to be the one that kills the beacon inside the hive that allows navigation between nearby systems even though the light of the Astronomicon is blocked by the Cicatrix Malediyub. He's got some Primaris Marines he doesn't like or trust, he has to deal with the Mechanicum who care more about keeping the machines going than security, and there's Sisters of Battle being annoyingly religious. Then Celestine shows up and in the face of an undeniable miracle the Captain has to consider that maybe the Emperor really is a god. It's great, really good stuff. The other 80% is about how the Alpha Legion is the biggest action movie badasses in the galaxy, better than all other legions, never caught off guard, always with an answer for everything, just the loving best. Some of them die but it's weird, they always die from like, war in general, not any specific opponent. An Alpha Legionary will get killed by a plane crash, or an explosion, but never in a way that suggests that another Marine or Sister or Troop was actually able to kill him. The Alpha Legion is always the best, always. It's set up that they've never encountered Primaris Marines before, an don't know what they are. So going into their first fight with them, I was like, "oh cool, this is gonna be the reversal, they face something they weren't prepared for" but instead the fight just goes on for longer than normal, none of the Alpha Legion die, and after they kill all the Primaris Marines they just say "that was tough" And I mean that thing about them being action movie stars. There's a bunch of just straight up lifted from action movie scenes, but the most egregious is where they use a power line as a zip line to get to the roof of another building. Space Marines in full power armor using a power line as a zip line. It's the dumbest goddamn thing in the world. And of course, at the end, even though the Alpha Legion was fighting on the side of Chaos it turns out that they just might be the real heroes after all.
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Sep 9, 2018 13:38
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Any one has read Of Honour and Iron? I think I've never read anything from this author.
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Sep 9, 2018 14:06
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Angry Lobster posted:Any one has read Of Honour and Iron? I think I've never read anything from this author. I actually liked it. Nothing great but not bad either. There was some interesting Primaris lore.
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Sep 9, 2018 15:57
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Guy Goodbody posted:Shroud of Night is an annoying book. 20% of it is really good. It's about this Imperial Fist captain defending a hive from wave after wave of Chaos attacks, as every Chaos Champion in the area throws themself at it to try to be the one that kills
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Sep 9, 2018 19:20
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Ok I finished the eisenhorn omnibus. Should I leap straight into magos or would I be better served reading ravenor and the bequin books first?
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Sep 10, 2018 05:06
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For what it's worth, this is the suggested reading order Abnett gives in the Magos. The book titles in parens are not in the Magos, the other ones are all in it.
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Sep 10, 2018 05:23
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Khizan posted:For what it's worth, this is the suggested reading order Abnett gives in the Magos. The book titles in parens are not in the Magos, the other ones are all in it. That's really helpful thanks. I'll pick up magos now then and start catching up on the short stories.
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Sep 10, 2018 05:58
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The one change I would make to that list is to read Pariah before The Magos (the novel, the short stories can be read before it), simply because The Magos explains what's going on with certain people and places in Pariah, but they don't show up until Pariah.
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Sep 10, 2018 13:10
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Huh, I see the first Ciaphis Cain (Hero of the Imperium ) novel just went up on audible.
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Sep 10, 2018 13:44
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Angry Lobster posted:Any one has read Of Honour and Iron? I think I've never read anything from this author. Literally just finished it. Seconding it's not bad. Nothing ground breaking but Ian St Martin is definitely showing promise as one of their new crop. His other full length novel so far Lucius : The faultless blade was also suprisingly readable. Man I am officially burnt out on Ham' fiction though, I've been catching up the past couple of weeks and I have read far to much 40k stuff in far to short a time. I think I'll give that new Peter F Hamilton book a go, and then check out some newer Fantasy work.
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Sep 10, 2018 19:21
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Dumb question but is there a book detailing the fall of Cadia? Also I've just read a few of Chris Wraight's books and the dude is up there with Abnett and ABD to me!
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Sep 11, 2018 07:02
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Cadia Stands.
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Sep 11, 2018 10:30
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Vadoc posted:The glorious Space Marine Chapter of Diamond Dogs. Which Legion do you think they'd come from?
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Sep 12, 2018 02:11
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Guy Goodbody posted:Shroud of Night is an annoying book. 20% of it is really good. It's about this Imperial Fist captain defending a hive from wave after wave of Chaos attacks, as every Chaos Champion in the area throws themself at it to try to be the one that kills the beacon inside the hive that allows navigation between nearby systems even though the light of the Astronomicon is blocked by the Cicatrix Malediyub. He's got some Primaris Marines he doesn't like or trust, he has to deal with the Mechanicum who care more about keeping the machines going than security, and there's Sisters of Battle being annoyingly religious. Then Celestine shows up and in the face of an undeniable miracle the Captain has to consider that maybe the Emperor really is a god. It's great, really good stuff. Yeah, it could have been 50% better with, like, only 5% more effort. Make the Alpha Legion have actual stakes and personalities, and each loss feel meaningful. and take Kharn out, because he was just a silly namedrop. It would have been great if their byzantine tricks actually ended up working agaisnt them, or their Emperor's Children backer had an actual backup plan and was a factor instead of a plot excuse.
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Sep 12, 2018 04:03
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Just finished Wolfsbane and well, uh.... The author's descriptions of cosmic phenomena were well done. Everything else, not so much. Characters just felt very bland and two dimensional. Dialogue felt like something from a Saturday morning cartoon.
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Sep 12, 2018 05:14
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Holy gently caress Watchers of the Throne is so good I read it all instead of sleeping and now I want to die
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Sep 12, 2018 07:58
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The Rat posted:Just finished Wolfsbane and well, uh.... Guy Haley is definitely not top tier black library author, but he’s not at the bottom with McNeill/French either.
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Sep 12, 2018 08:35
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Miguel Prado posted:Guy Haley is definitely not top tier black library author, but he’s not at the bottom with McNeill/French either. Haley is the most yo-yo in terms of quality. I reckon if he slowed down his output he would start writing closer to the ADB/Abnett/Wright triad of good authors.
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Sep 12, 2018 08:47
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Miguel Prado posted:Guy Haley is definitely not top tier black library author, but he’s not at the bottom with McNeill/French either. I think I've asked before, but why is McNeill considered so bad? Nightbringer was the first BL book I ever read and still enjoy, and Dead Sky Black Sun is one of my favourites.
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Sep 12, 2018 08:58
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Spiteski posted:I think I've asked before, but why is McNeill considered so bad? Nightbringer was the first BL book I ever read and still enjoy, and Dead Sky Black Sun is one of my favourites. McNeill is very variable. He can do some real trash but then turn in Thousand Sons or the Of Mars trilogy.
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Sep 12, 2018 12:37
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McNeill is super hit or miss. I haven't read Dead Sky Black Sun since it was published, but as far as I remember, I'd put it in Battle for the Abyss-tier.
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Sep 12, 2018 12:43
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I like McNeil's stuff. He does AdMech probably the best out of anyone. Storm of Iron is one of the best BL books period.
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Sep 12, 2018 13:34
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Storm of Irons is so good and then you read the other ultramarine books to see what stuff Honsou gets to and.... it fizzles out
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Sep 12, 2018 13:43
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Sephyr posted:Yeah, it could have been 50% better with, like, only 5% more effort. Make the Alpha Legion have actual stakes and personalities, and each loss feel meaningful. and take Kharn out, because he was just a silly namedrop. It would have been great if their byzantine tricks actually ended up working agaisnt them, or their Emperor's Children backer had an actual backup plan and was a factor instead of a plot excuse. ADB started the wonderful trend of writing Chaos Marines as tragic characters whose greatest strengths are also inescapable flaws, and I really want to see that take on the Alpha Legion. After ten thousand years of secrecy and schemes they're all so mixed up that half the time they end up stepping on their own dicks.
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Sep 12, 2018 13:50
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The potential of factions within factions within factions could be either absolutely incredible or terribly confusing. I'm sure BL would use someone that would err on the side of terribly confusing.
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Sep 12, 2018 14:07
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Miguel Prado posted:Guy Haley is definitely not top tier black library author, but he’s not at the bottom with McNeill/French either. I wouldn't say French is bottom tier. His Ahrmin (sp?) series isn't that great, but Slaves to Darkness wasn't bad and his Horusian War series is actually really good.
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Sep 12, 2018 18:44
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Guy Goodbody posted:ADB started the wonderful trend of writing Chaos Marines as tragic characters whose greatest strengths are also inescapable flaws, and I really want to see that take on the Alpha Legion. After ten thousand years of secrecy and schemes they're all so mixed up that half the time they end up stepping on their own dicks. Not just that, but he has a knack for writing the polar opposite of bolter porn. Whomever is the lead faction in his books is usually in for a teeth-clenching stomping with only a marginal/moral victory being possible. I joke with my friends that we should bribe him to write more Imperial stuff so they'd run out of manpower within 2 years, tops, and Chaos would win. Which -is- a joke, of course. I'll never let the filthy corpse-worshipper steal my Demski, no matter how many beautiful traitors he breaks morally, then physically.
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Sep 12, 2018 18:53
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Agreeing that McNiell is very hit and miss. When he's bad, he's one of the worst regular BL writers. When he's good (writing AdMech mostly) he's up there with the best. I'd rate the lords of mars trilogy higher than some of Abnett's weaker books for example.
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Sep 12, 2018 19:34
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Sephyr posted:Not just that, but he has a knack for writing the polar opposite of bolter porn. Whomever is the lead faction in his books is usually in for a teeth-clenching stomping with only a marginal/moral victory being possible. I joke with my friends that we should bribe him to write more Imperial stuff so they'd run out of manpower within 2 years, tops, and Chaos would win. His next book is about some totally doomed but awesome space marines.
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Sep 13, 2018 01:31
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Chiwie posted:His next book is about some totally doomed but awesome space marines. the Emperor's Spears are good boys quote:Many older members of the Emperor's Spears have the symbol of the Star Scorpions displayed on the right poleyn instead to reflect the campaigns they fought alongside their lost sibling-Chapter. like this is just extremely cute
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Sep 13, 2018 04:47
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Biplane posted:Holy gently caress Watchers of the Throne is so good I read it all instead of sleeping and now I want to die Yeah, it really is. I read the Carrion Throne and Two Metaphysical Blades and now Chris Wraight is up there with ADB and Abnett for me.
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Sep 13, 2018 09:48
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Are there any, I was gonna say good books but since I'm back on a Warhammer kick I'll settle for decent books regarding The Minotaurs? They're one of those chapters that seems interesting from the blurbs but I'm not sure I've ever run across anything substantive.
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Sep 13, 2018 20:28
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Vadoc posted:The glorious Space Marine Chapter of Diamond Dogs. Which Legion do you think they'd come from? Emperor's Children "This ain't Rock and Roll. This is... genocide"
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Sep 13, 2018 23:44
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Are the Chris Wraight books more on the metaphysical side of things or more Bolter porn?
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