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mcmagic posted:I disagree with that statement very strongly. https://scryfall.com/sets/grn?order=usd Eh, that list has assassins trophy, shocks, and maybe legion warboss that moves the meter at all for me. whydirt posted:The set feels aimed toward limited so far because we’ve gotten relatively more common and uncommon spoilers compared to most preview seasons. This thread is getting worse than MTGSalvation. A 1/3 of the cards have been spoiled. If m19 is any measuring stick, the most interesting cards were spoiled fairly early. This poo poo is a loving snorefest currently.
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If it Surveils over a Narcomeba it's almost Snapcaster. Interested in seeing if it does anything fun with alternate casting costs.
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Sickening posted:This set is feeling not very deep in constructed playables so far. This set seems to be limited focused to the max. That seems great for digital and bad for paper. When people talk about constructed should I assume that they arn't talking about standard? KLD, AER, AKH, and HOU are all rotating out, plus the power level of cards in XLN , RIX, DOM, M19 all considered less powerful; wouldn't that mean, by default, that it leaves a ton of space for GRN to dominate standard?
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I am super high on this card. I think it's going to be really, really good.
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Cheen posted:When people talk about constructed should I assume that they arn't talking about standard? KLD, AER, AKH, and HOU are all rotating out, plus the power level of cards in XLN , RIX, DOM, M19 all considered less powerful; wouldn't that mean, by default, that it leaves a ton of space for GRN to dominate standard? If the power level isn’t there then cards from earlier more powerful sets will just fill that gap instead.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If the power level isn’t there then cards from earlier more powerful sets will just fill that gap instead. Well, yeah. But those sets are XLN, RIX, DOM, and M19. So I'd wager Guilds is about to completely dictate what are the dominant strategies for Standard. Or at least the dominant strategy for any deck not running Teferi.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If the power level isn’t there then cards from earlier more powerful sets will just fill that gap instead. I get that, for sure. It's just that all I've heard is how "meh" XLN, RIX, DOM, and M19 were and how the sets that are rotating out dominated the format.
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This is reeeeeeeeally good. Also, can someone inform me why the "choose" wording is better than "target"? Necronomicon fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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If it's one thing WOTC can do to entice me into playing it's go back to the Ravnica well again :-3 I can't wait to see what they have in store for the Gruul!
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Necronomicon posted:This is reeeeeeeeally good. Also, can someone inform me why the "choose" wording is better than "target"? If it targeted then you couldn't cast something you put in the graveyard with the surveil.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:14
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I like this. I'm surprised Dimir seems to get value from Surveil from these triggers rather than graveyard interactions.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If it targeted then you couldn't cast something you put in the graveyard with the surveil. More generally, 'choose' happens during resolution, while targeting happens before a spell is cast. So it let's you choose a surveiled card as OFS said, but it also means your opponent can't interact with the card you choose like they can DRS your snapcaster target.
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I can't believe dimir finally has a constructed playable mechanic
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Tainen posted:Wow I like this a lot. I know people thought UB Midrange would die with Scarab God etc rotating out, but it seems like they'll have plenty of material from this set alone.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I like this. I'm surprised Dimir seems to get value from Surveil from these triggers rather than graveyard interactions. Dimir aren't the graveyard guild, and there's already two graveyard-interacting keywords in the set. Dimir were always more likely to get something that cared about the cards involved in the mechanic then those cards hitting the graveyard. That's in line with their past mechanics too. e: That said, if Jumpstart ever stops making GBS threads the bed and reveals some REAL cards, the interactions between Surveil and Jumpstart could make Grixis midrange/control really nasty. Mr. Locke fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Sep 13, 2018 16:28
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The whole point of snapcaster is the extra mana gets you ahead on board and gives value and can trade. Surveil 2 isn’t close to that and the casting cost is more restrictive. In standard I’m not seeing why I wouldn’t just want to put draw spells and efficient cards in my deck instead.
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InterrupterJones posted:I like this a lot. An ahead-of-rate fl'ampler body with at-will manaless topdeck fixing seems... quite good. Still has the "dies when you kill it" problem of any expensive monster that isn't a God, but still seems borderline constructed playable. Obviously an insane windmill slam bomb in limited.
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Owlbear Camus posted:An ahead-of-rate fl'ampler body with at-will manaless topdeck fixing seems... quite good. Still has the "dies when you kill it" problem of any expensive monster that isn't a God, but still seems borderline constructed playable. I think the years of standard with the Ixalan gods has ruined what people should expect to see with 4-5 mana creatures. This guy seems real good because even if he does get killed, you can at least get some card manipulation out of it.
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Marketing New Brain posted:The whole point of snapcaster is the extra mana gets you ahead on board and gives value and can trade. Surveil 2 isn’t close to that and the casting cost is more restrictive. In standard I’m not seeing why I wouldn’t just want to put draw spells and efficient cards in my deck instead. So in modern right now, the UW deck is playing Terminus as a 4 of, and always loves more ways to find it. This does things snapcaster can't/dosn't, such as: 1) Chain together in multiple copies 2) Psuedo-draw 2 to look for spells not currently in hand or graveyard. (For example, on 6 mana this might let you Verdict whereas snap might be a dead card) 3) Can't be responded to via surgical or similar unless the opponent in advance tries to guess the card you want (which won't even guarantee that you can't cast a spell) 4) Fill the GY for more spells/azcanta 5) Let you logic knot for 2 off of just a logic knot in your GY 6) Actual card filtering/selection on top of your flashback spell (rather than a 2/1 body). Setting up terminus, or just digging for things more relevant than a 2/1. 7) Prowess triggers for mentor/etc, also you can find it off azcanta I'm not pretending this card replaces snapcaster in every deck in the slightest. Jeskai, for example, probably never plays this card over snap. However it's a straight mistake to think that this card isn't in some ways MORE powerful, and that there are already shells that want this over snap. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Skyl3lazer posted:So in modern right now, the UW deck is playing Terminus as a 4 of, and always loves more ways to find it. This does things snapcaster can't/dosn't, such as: Surveil 2 vs a 2/1 creature doesn't seem like much of a contest in any shell. Being twice as hard to cast doesn't help either.
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It also triggers prowess etc. and lets you use alternate costs apparently
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Sickening posted:Surveil 2 vs a 2/1 creature doesn't seem like much of a contest in any shell. Being twice as hard to cast doesn't help either. I literally just outlined the cases that this is true. Also it isn't "twice as hard to cast" in a 2 color shell that already casts cryptics, etc.
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idk why "isn't as good as a card that warped eternal formats" is supposed to be a blight on a card in any way
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dragon enthusiast posted:idk why "isn't as good as a card that warped eternal formats" is supposed to be a blight on a card in any way ME EITHER!!!!!!
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A way to dodge bad ETB effects.
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I feel dumb for asking this, but this only gets a single +1/+1 counter when you Surveil 2 right?
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dragon enthusiast posted:idk why "isn't as good as a card that warped eternal formats" is supposed to be a blight on a card in any way When you’re talking about the card in eternal formats Snapcaster doesn’t magically vanish
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Skyl3lazer posted:I literally just outlined the cases that this is true. Also it isn't "twice as hard to cast" in a 2 color shell that already casts cryptics, etc. You listed all the small marginal upsides to surveil and none of them beat having a 2/1 at instant speed in the majority of cases.  I am not even saying the card can't be good, but calling it more powerful than snap is silly. Snapcaster at worst is an ambush viper while this card at worst is a wet fart. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Owlbear Camus posted:dies to price of fame Not if you copy that hexproof ghostly boi E: Surveil 2 is worth about half a card, so the big question is, how much is a 2/1 with flash worth TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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I think I'll slot 1-2 of this in death's shadow (goyf variants, not gurmag variants)
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Skyl3lazer posted:I literally just outlined the cases that this is true. Also it isn't "twice as hard to cast" in a 2 color shell that already casts cryptics, etc. Paying 1UUUUU for your flashbacked cryptic is significantly harder than paying 2UUUU even in a two colour shell.
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Sickening posted:You listed all the small marginal upsides to surveil and none of them beat having a 2/1 at instant speed in the majority of cases. couldn't find wet fart on scryfall; what set is it?
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TheKingofSprings posted:Not if you copy that hexproof ghostly boi Huh, given the ability happens at instant speed there's all kinds of shenanigans you can pull if you're yarding creatures to help her dodge removal, morph into a body that best lines up for combat blowouts... there's something here for sure.
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Tainen posted:Wow I've been playing a bit of Legacy Cube and I'd have beeline picked this in both of my B decks.
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