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KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Cythereal posted:

Torpedo bombers were terrifying. Torpedoes are much, much better at sinking ships than bombs, doubly so when you have a good torpedo to match like the IJN's long lance. The problem with torpedo bombing is that the bomber is incredibly vulnerable while making their run.

Bombs could cripple ships, occasionally sink them if they got lucky with a secondary explosion (as happened at Midway for the only ship actually sunk by aircraft there), but nothing beat a torpedo bomber for sinking big ships when it came to air attack.

just as a nitpick the Long Lance Type 93 was only a surface combatant launched torpedo. subs and planes used other torpedoes. the air dropped torpedo was the Type 91 which was conventionally powered. It was pretty advanced because it had stabilizers to improve launch performance and reduce diving depth and had antiroll stabilizers

# ? Sep 12, 2018 20:16

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# ? May 27, 2024 16:41

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

frankenfreak posted:

I'm not seeing anything about explosives strapped to a parachute that you hope the enemy plane entangles with. In fact, shooting up 35 small rockets at it seems like the opposite approach.

It's arguably worse because in the case of UP launchers they'd most likely be firing at torpedo bombers, which have to fly straight and level or they can't actually use their torpedoes. In theory that means a barrage of UP fire stands a reasonable chance of at least making the bomber pilot's life uncomfortable. Those German rockets wouldn't have the same fortune unless they were being directly targeted by an enemy Shturmovik or Jabo or whatever.

And in both cases they're only being introduced because it was 1940/1945 and there weren't enough conventional AA weapons to go around so we might as well try this new thing because it's (in theory) better than the nothing we'd have otherwise.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 20:17

Saint Celestine: Dec 17, 2008; Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.
- Saint Sabbat, Lessons; Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

Not for Net Shield purposes.

In the patent, he says that dropping a bomb down the smokestack was the biggest threat, which I don't think history bore out

Happened to USS Lexington!

# ? Sep 12, 2018 20:44

Clarence: May 3, 2012

13th KRRC War Diary, 12th September 1918 posted:

At ZERO minus 45 minutes - Companies were in positions of assembly as follows:- A Coy at Q-15-a-80-70, "C" Coy 100 yards in rear of "A" Coy. "B" Coy in TUFNELL Avenue and TRESCAULT Trench in Q-3-b & d. "D" Coy in TUFNELL Avenue and QUADRANGLE Avenue in Q.9.a.

During the assembly, the two attacking companies (A & C) were subjected to heavy shell fire mixed with a large proportion of Blue Cross Gas.

The attack was launched punctually to time, and the barrage was magnificent. No great opposition was met with up to the first objective.- Machine Gun fire was active from the village - and immediately movement commenced towards the second objective the Companies came under very heavy fire from a Strong Point at Q.10.b.9.8. At this juncture much assistance was given us by the 13th R.B. on the Right by bringing cross fire to bear on the Strong Point and so enabling our advance to continue.

Heavy casualties were sustained here as there was absolutely no vestige of cover.

2/Lieutenant WILDING (C Coy) shot one of the enemy's gun crew through the head from a distance of 200 yards. The Strong Point was cleared up and 40 prisoners, 2 Machine Guns, and 1 T.M. were captured therefrom. Heavy fighting took place from here onwards - one of the features being the number of the enemy killed at their battle posts.

By 7-30 a.m. the final objective had been taken and here "B" Coy who had followed the attack as Supports (2 Platoons to each attacking company) reinforced the front line.

It is estimated that 190 prisoners were taken. Further captures include
18 M.Gs., 3 T.Ms., 1 Anti-Tank Gun, 2 Field Guns.

The latter continued firing at point blank range until the crews were knocked out by our Lewis Gun and rifle fire. We have not yet been able to get the guns in as they are in the existing no-man's land. The enemy carried out a heavy bombardment of the front line and ground backwards towards HAVRINCOURT WOOD during the whole day - especially heavy was the shelling in and around the village of TRESCAULT. A considerable quantity of gas was used, mainly Blue and Yellow Cross.

11-30 am. "D" Coy (Reserve) was moved from TUFNELL Avenue to TRESCAULT Trench in Q.3.b.

12 Noon. 2 Platoons from "D" Coy were sent up to reinforce "B" Coy, taking up a supply of Lewis Guns and full magazines. These two Platoons arrived with-out casualties.

12-40 pm. One Platoon from "D" Coy was sent up to reinforce "A" Coy.

1 pm. A Carrying party of 40 men from the 10th R.F. took up to the front line a supply of S.A.A.
One Company from the Battn in Support (10th R.F.) was brought up and put into support in the trenches vacated by our "D" Coy. (TUFNELL Avenue and QUADRANGLE Avenue in Q.9.a)

6 pm. A counter attack was launched by the enemy after a heavy preliminary bombardment on our right Sector (C Coy). 50 of the enemy with 3 L.M.Gs and bombs entered our trenches at the junction with the R.Bs. Hand to hand fighting and bombing took place and the enemy were successfully dislodged, leaving about 20 dead and 6 prisoners in our hands. Our casualties were considerable from the preliminary bombardment.
Indiscriminate shelling continued throughout the night but no further attacks were made.

10 pm. Order were received from Brigade by telephone that the 62nd Division were to attack at 5-15 am 13th and that we were to advance and occupy the BILHEM-CHAPEL WOOD SWITCH, conforming our movements to those of the Battalion of 62nd Div. on our Left.
A Coy. (A/Capt) PUTMAN E.J. was detailed for this operation.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:07

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

zoux posted:

In the patent, he says that dropping a bomb down the smokestack was the biggest threat, which I don't think history bore out

Yeah, putting a bomb down a ship's funnel from an aircraft turned out to be next to impossible, but it didn't seem out of the question in 1913 when aircraft flew slower than modern baseball pitches and ships didn't really have guns they could shoot at planes with.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:10

Comrade Gorbash: Jul 12, 2011; My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.

Pretty impressive shot by Lt. Wilding.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:10

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Dive bombers were particularly good at sinking light ships, note, which wouldn't have been able to field complex AA systems. For cruisers on up, the main thing dive bombers were effective for was crippling vessels - none of the carriers sunk at Midway were sunk directly by aerial attack, for example, but air attacks did render Yorktown prey for a submarine to deal the killing blow, while the Japanese carriers were so devastated by fire and secondary explosions from the bomb hits that the IJN ultimately scuttled them with destroyer-fired torpedoes.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:12

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

The biggest point I want to make about that patent I posted was that, even with what was known about aircraft attacking ships in 1913 (which was somewhere between jack and poo poo), the idea in that patent was intensely, obviously stupid.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:12

Rocko Bonaparte: Mar 12, 2002; Every day is Friday!

zoux posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lilyslynch/status/1039898232783036418
Kosovo

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:19

ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:24

Ferrosol: Nov 8, 2010; Notorious J.A.M

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 21:56

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

The cocktail drank around the world.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:06

Polyakov: Mar 22, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

The cocktail drank around the world.

Unfortunately their lunch menu isnt good if you are Hungary.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:07

Ainsley McTree: Feb 19, 2004

The jukebox skips from Frank Sinatra to Freddie Jackson

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:23

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:28

Mr Enderby: Mar 28, 2015

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The biggest point I want to make about that patent I posted was that, even with what was known about aircraft attacking ships in 1913 (which was somewhere between jack and poo poo), the idea in that patent was intensely, obviously stupid.

It's funny how military tech attracts all these armchair inventors.

When I was about 11 I invented a mortar round with a mercury switch, which engaged a rocket when it reached the top of its trajectory and accelerated downward on its targets. After much thought, I decided I couldn't morally justify unleashing such a deadly device on the world, so I nobly forewent the easy wages of Mars and shredded all my blueprints.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:31

Ainsley McTree: Feb 19, 2004

Mr Enderby posted:

It's funny how military tech attracts all these armchair inventors.

When I was about 11 I invented a mortar round with a mercury switch, which engaged a rocket when it reached the top of its trajectory and accelerated downward on its targets. After much thought, I decided I couldn't morally justify unleashing such a deadly device on the world, so I nobly forewent the easy wages of Mars and shredded all my blueprints.

When I was a teen, I also dabbled. My plans were:

1) Grenades with a tail like a nerf vortex, so you could throw them farther. Also there was a spike at the end so they�d stick into your target (bonus if it runs into more targets)

2) fighters, except underwater

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:39

Rockopolis: Dec 21, 2012; I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

43) Even if a capsized warship doesn't sink, it can't do anything. Especially fight in a naval battle.

Isn't that what submerged torpedo tubes are for?

# ? Sep 12, 2018 22:47

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Rockopolis posted:

Isn't that what submerged torpedo tubes are for?

Torpedoes are fiddly bastards at the best of times. Not the best idea.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 23:15

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

The grenadine is a little off but their shots hit the spot.

Insanely good

# ? Sep 12, 2018 23:21

Rockopolis: Dec 21, 2012; I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

Cythereal posted:

Torpedoes are fiddly bastards at the best of times. Not the best idea.

Good point - better to mount a turret or two down there. Can also use them for anti-submarine work while the ship is right side up!

# ? Sep 12, 2018 23:22

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Ainsley McTree posted:

The jukebox skips from Frank Sinatra to Freddie Jackson

On the contrary, it plays Take Me Out on loop.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 06:13

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Ah cool I wonder if they're going for historical accur-

quote:

"On the eve of D-Day during World War II, American paratroopers are caught behind enemy lines after their plane crashes on a mission to destroy a German Radio Tower in a small town outside of Normandy. After reaching their target, the paratroopers come to realize that besides fighting off Nazi soldiers, they also must combat against horrifying, bloody, and violent creatures that are a result of a secret Nazi experiment."

Oh.

Actually I love secret Nazi Thule occult poo poo stories, so good. Have any of y'all ever read Declare by Tim Powers

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:34

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Just make a Wolfenstein movie already.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:40

bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

holy poo poo that's badass

please give one or more of them a sword

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:45

Ainsley McTree: Feb 19, 2004

fishmech posted:

On the contrary, it plays Take Me Out on loop.

poo poo, that�s much better

zoux posted:

Ah cool I wonder if they're going for historical accur-

Oh.

Actually I love secret Nazi Thule occult poo poo stories, so good. Have any of y'all ever read Declare by Tim Powers

I was rolling my eyes about another Hollywood wwii blockbuster but now I�m back in

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:49

Frog Act: Feb 10, 2012

There was a similarly absurd movie about Kiwi commandos discovering a demon / succubus summoned by the SS on the occupied Channel Islands. It's a weird ponderous movie that's mostly about the ss guy and the kiwi talking to each other about witch craft but it's still fun garbage. Devil's Rock, I think

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:52

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Hellboy is the best occult Nazi poo poo ever written (not the movie gently caress the movie)

# ? Sep 13, 2018 15:54

P-Mack: Nov 10, 2007

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:03

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

it's laid-on all right

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:17

Clarence: May 3, 2012

Perhaps a tad too thickly?

# ? Sep 13, 2018 16:38

InAndOutBrennan: Dec 11, 2008

This is a weird place to be in. For the first time ever I'm caught up with the milhist thread.

I might have mistakenly missed a few posts here and there but I've more or less read the whole v1 to v3 in all its cyclical glory. And yes, I'm the guy who has to 100% every area in every game I play.

Most surprising TIL is that the Great War guy is an old drinking "buddy" of mine from the late 90s early 20s. Never knew he was in to history.

So thanks I guess and I should celebrate this glorious achievement with some sort of effortpost about a fortress eventually.

Until then :justpost:

# ? Sep 13, 2018 17:35

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

zoux posted:

Hellboy is the best occult Nazi poo poo ever written (not the movie gently caress the movie)

The hellboy movies loving own

# ? Sep 13, 2018 17:44

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

I like them. Perlman really fits for the main character even if the films aren't your cup of tea.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 18:22

P-Mack: Nov 10, 2007

They aren't perfect but the creature designs and effects are del Toro at his best.

# ? Sep 13, 2018 18:24

Ardent Communist: Oct 17, 2010; ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

I'm not going to go into defending the GULAG system here, since I can see which way the wind blows, but I do feel it's valuable to say that A Day in the Life is a fiction, something the author's wife feels the need to point out, and the author himself said the prisoners wept when they heard Stalin had died. Maybe they were tears of joy?
Also worth pointing out that more Americans are currently in prison as a portion of the overall population than were ever in the GULAG system, during any period of Stalinist excessive-ness.

If you think that's a defence of the GULAG system, whoo boy. At least people weren't thrown in there for merely being from a certain country *cough* japanese-americans during WW2 *cough*.

It's kind of similar to the tales you hear out of North Korean labour camps, where since refugees to the South receive financial compensation for their stories, often embellish their stories to attract a larger audience. Hell, I read a book that was based on one refugee's experiences, and the author even said in his foreword that the refugee was a liar who changed his story multiple times.

But those are all things that colour an argument, not deny its veracity immediately. A good example of that would be the stories of how Iraqi soldiers were going into hospital and taking babies out of incubators, leaving them to die. A woman actually went before the Congressional Human Rights caucus and told this story. It actually is supposed to have influenced the decision to go to war to defend Kuwait. It's too bad that studies after the fact determined that it didn't happen, that any babies that died were the result of kuwaiti doctors and nurses leaving their posts, and that the woman who gave that testimony was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States! Her testimony was organized by an American PR company that was hired by the government of Kuwait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

It's kind of similar to how I got my avatar, when I was questioning the narrative of African rape gangs being given viagra by Qaddafi. But I'm sure the people of Libya are eternally grateful that he was overthrown and replaced by Al-Qaida and ISIS offshoots, the quality of life has really gone up for the average citizen there.
Goddammit, I didn't intend for this post to be so long and defensive. I'll close by saying who would prefer being sentenced to an american prison nowadays or the GULAG?

# ? Sep 13, 2018 19:28