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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

An in-house NAS replicated to a cloud backup service is the best loving thing ever.

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Pez
Feb 28, 2002

Thanks to CoX, my stairs will be protected forever!
I don't have a lot of Pi experience other than mucking about with RetroPie a bit, would a Pi 3B function well enough for my son to take some online classes on, maybe watch youtube? We're looking a cheap solution before springing for a pc. I'm seeing conflicting reports depending where Google takes me.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Pez posted:

I don't have a lot of Pi experience other than mucking about with RetroPie a bit, would a Pi 3B function well enough for my son to take some online classes on, maybe watch youtube? We're looking a cheap solution before springing for a pc. I'm seeing conflicting reports depending where Google takes me.

I wouldn’t want to use one for general computing

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
Even ignoring everything else, I wouldn't recommend it because if a Pi loses power when not 100% idle then it's almost guaranteed the SD card will corrupt. You can get most of the data back, but it's still awful. This isn't really something that happens with modern laptops/tablets/desktops.

ante
Apr 9, 2005

SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS
Despite the (original) marketing, the Pi is not really a general purpose computer. Just because you can, doesn't mean it won't be incredibly painful compared to the cheapest secondhand netbook/chromebook you can find

Pez
Feb 28, 2002

Thanks to CoX, my stairs will be protected forever!
Thanks guys that's what I was afraid of but I figured it was worth a shot to ask. I'll stick to retro emulation with it

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Every once in a while (every couple of weeks generally) my Pi 3B+ will randomly decide to stop responding to SSH and ping. It also stops using network resources as normal so I guess it loses network completely. I'm running it headless connected directly to my router via Ethernet, so I have no idea what's going on. Any ideas? So far I've just settled on setting crontab to reboot once a week, but thats not the best solution obviously.

e: also, FWIW, every time this happens I have to pull the power and I haven't run into SD corruption issues yet. Though I might just be getting super lucky!

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Aug 15, 2018

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Pez posted:

I don't have a lot of Pi experience other than mucking about with RetroPie a bit, would a Pi 3B function well enough for my son to take some online classes on, maybe watch youtube? We're looking a cheap solution before springing for a pc. I'm seeing conflicting reports depending where Google takes me.
chromebook. it'll be a much better environment for everything from youtube(!!) to fully fledged development environments.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
I was going to say the same thing. Intel ones were worth the cost last time I was looking.

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

If you're planning on keeping your kid longer than 6 months the chromebook is a bargain.

DrHammond
Nov 8, 2011


Yo tell me more about the 6 month return policy you got on your kid...

Asking for a friend.

Pez
Feb 28, 2002

Thanks to CoX, my stairs will be protected forever!
He's 18 now, even the warranty has expired

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

My SD card finally corrupted from having to unplug the Pi because the ethernet poo poo out again. I broke down and bought an odroid. gently caress you, Raspberry Pi, and your stupid USB 2.0-bus limited network bullshit.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Is that still a problem for the newest Rpi? I feel like my power has gone out a couple times but my PiHole seems to be working just fine.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

jokes posted:

Is that still a problem for the newest Rpi? I feel like my power has gone out a couple times but my PiHole seems to be working just fine.

It seems like the general conclusion is it depends on if you're writing something to the SD card when it goes down. If you have it running an appliance distro that doesn't log much, you're probably fine.

The Ubiquiti UniFi Cloud Key appliances have the same issue, if they lose power while writing data their SD card can end up corrupted. The new generation actually have a built in battery acting as a UPS to allow them to safely shut down for this reason.

lostleaf
Jul 12, 2009
Any recommendations for a board with dual nic? I don't need Bluetooth nor wifi but they would be welcome. Something powerful enough to run gigabit routing plus pihole and wireguard. It's for home with 4 users so not too intensive.

n0tqu1tesane
May 7, 2003

She was rubbing her ass all over my hands. They don't just do that for everyone.
Grimey Drawer

lostleaf posted:

Any recommendations for a board with dual nic? I don't need Bluetooth nor wifi but they would be welcome. Something powerful enough to run gigabit routing plus pihole and wireguard. It's for home with 4 users so not too intensive.

There's been talk of these a couple pages back in the Home Networking thread for exactly that purpose.

https://m.aliexpress.com/store/activities/seller/storeHomeFromAms.htm?storeNo=108231&trace=store2mobilestoreNew#/

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
Neat! These look cool. NUC's are too expensive for that sort of thing. I have this old Liva PC that's way slow and crap, but it's a great little windows home server.

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.
I've been using my Raspberry Pi to run hourly speed tests on my internet since late 2016. However, my internet speed recently went up, and it looks like the bus on the Raspberry Pi 3B has a lot more trouble doing a reasonably accurate 100Mbps speed test over speedtest-cli than it did a 50 mbps speed test.

Is upgrading to the 3B+ likely to make a difference, or should I just sunset the project?

DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


maltesh posted:

I've been using my Raspberry Pi to run hourly speed tests on my internet since late 2016. However, my internet speed recently went up, and it looks like the bus on the Raspberry Pi 3B has a lot more trouble doing a reasonably accurate 100Mbps speed test over speedtest-cli than it did a 50 mbps speed test.

Is upgrading to the 3B+ likely to make a difference, or should I just sunset the project?

The 3B+ LAN port is hampered by the USB 2.0 bus, but is still capable of something like ~320Mbps. So if you're doing 100Mbps speedtests on it, you should be fine. It's a big upgrade over the 3B.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

maltesh posted:

I've been using my Raspberry Pi to run hourly speed tests on my internet since late 2016. However, my internet speed recently went up, and it looks like the bus on the Raspberry Pi 3B has a lot more trouble doing a reasonably accurate 100Mbps speed test over speedtest-cli than it did a 50 mbps speed test.

Is upgrading to the 3B+ likely to make a difference, or should I just sunset the project?

No Raspberry Pi is capable of handling modern cable/fiber speeds well if there's any risk of other devices on the same USB connection as the Ethernet port is needing to use it simultaneously. Inherent limitations and the 3B+ can't really help much for your project.


If you want a way to keep track of your internet speeds, the FCC and several other country regulators offer free equipment to monitor your connection performance.
For the USA: https://www.measuringbroadbandamerica.com/
For the UK and much of the EU: https://samknows.com/signup/

Essentially you will receive a modified consumer wifi router that performs as a 5 port gigabit ethernet switch on your home network. The code they use is also available open source on github.

The interface you get on the web even lets you plot out the data nicely, like so:

fishmech fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 11, 2018

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

We got a raspberry pi to display Grafana dashboard/playlists in like may, it has been working really well. Boss finally bought me a 55" 4K hdtv and it's getting mounted on the wall this week

It only just now occurred to me that the RPi3 "only" does 1080p. Also it's a bit slow rendering some larger graphs.

Looks like ASUS makes a drop in replacement called the Tinker Board S for $85, includes a 16GB EMMC and does 4K.

Early reviews for the non-S version were poor but later improved. Looks like it is very similar to the ODROID but is fanless.

DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


fishmech posted:

No Raspberry Pi is capable of handling modern cable/fiber speeds well if there's any risk of other devices on the same USB connection as the Ethernet port is needing to use it simultaneously. Inherent limitations and the 3B+ can't really help much for your project.


If you want a way to keep track of your internet speeds, the FCC and several other country regulators offer free equipment to monitor your connection performance.
For the USA: https://www.measuringbroadbandamerica.com/
For the UK and much of the EU: https://samknows.com/signup/

Essentially you will receive a modified consumer wifi router that performs as a 5 port gigabit ethernet switch on your home network. The code they use is also available open source on github.

The interface you get on the web even lets you plot out the data nicely, like so:


Wow, I did not know this was a thing. I may have to look into this.

deong
Jun 13, 2001

I'll see you in heck!

This is cool, any idea what kind of information they gleam from you? Anything about your traffic habits etc?
I don't need uncle sam snoopin into my porn habits.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

deong posted:

This is cool, any idea what kind of information they gleam from you? Anything about your traffic habits etc?
I don't need uncle sam snoopin into my porn habits.

Too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

deong posted:

This is cool, any idea what kind of information they gleam from you? Anything about your traffic habits etc?
I don't need uncle sam snoopin into my porn habits.

The NSA already has all your porn habits, the FCC just wants to keep track of if your ISP is frequently dropping off entirely or massively slowing service. The information collected is the same as will be shown on the web dashboard, including latency, speeds, etc. You also inform them when you're moving to another ISP or another location or if your plan with the ISP changes within their speed brackets.

Also the main thing they're interested in for your habits is that you shouldn't apply if you have torrents/usenet going full bore 24/7, because that'll leave no time for them to track your real speeds instead of what speeds are left over while you download 5 gigabytes of horse porn per minute.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

fishmech posted:

The NSA already has all your porn habits, the FCC just wants to keep track of if your ISP is frequently dropping off entirely or massively slowing service. The information collected is the same as will be shown on the web dashboard, including latency, speeds, etc. You also inform them when you're moving to another ISP or another location or if your plan with the ISP changes within their speed brackets.

From their FAQ, they use a good amount of data for their testing. Think twice about using it if you have a data cap.

quote:

The usage on a fixed broadband 10Mbps connection will be around 20GB/month, and will likely be around 60GB on a 50Mbps connection. The amount that’s downloaded is speed dependent (so a slower connection will use less traffic than a faster connection).

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/raspberry_pi_poe_hat_issue/
The official PoE HAT is defective, fix being worked on but stock still being sold.


Anyone have a recommendation for a well-supported non-Raspberry/Orange Pi board for development use? I've been using a combination of Orange Pis and Raspberry Pis as environment monitors but they all ended up dying due to power loss leading to SD card corruption, and I don't want to babysit them that much (or try and build a battery backup myself). Seems like eMMC boards are more reliable but I don't know which are good.

(I've got ESP32 circuits I've built to use as monitors now but I need an always-on system to receive their reports)

DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


fishmech posted:

The NSA already has all your porn habits, the FCC just wants to keep track of if your ISP is frequently dropping off entirely or massively slowing service. The information collected is the same as will be shown on the web dashboard, including latency, speeds, etc. You also inform them when you're moving to another ISP or another location or if your plan with the ISP changes within their speed brackets.

Also the main thing they're interested in for your habits is that you shouldn't apply if you have torrents/usenet going full bore 24/7, because that'll leave no time for them to track your real speeds instead of what speeds are left over while you download 5 gigabytes of horse porn per minute.

Geez, I wish I had the ability to download 5 gigs of horse porn per minute.

.....wait, I should rephrase that.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Just a few things to keep in mind about USB and why network performance can go to poo poo when you start plugging in additional devices, like trying to make a Pi into a NAS with a USB mass storage device:

USB 2.0 has a 480 megabit per second maximum signalling rate, but that figure is just raw baud rate and a bunch of it will be taken up by USB protocol signals - think about how 8N1 serial over a UART takes 10 bits of signalling to send 8 bits of actual information - and your real data rate won't be as high as that. On top of that the communication is half duplex (no sending and receiving at the same time) so your transmit data rate will begin to degrade the more you are receiving and vice versa. Plus if your CPU is doing other things it may not actually get around to servicing USB immediately as soon as data arrives.

Out of those things I think it's the half-duplex communication that kills it the most. If you're trying to download a file from your makeshift NAS it will have to stop transmitting on the network to read from the storage.

If the Pi brand continues I'm hoping they modernize a little with a SATA port and USB 3 since there are other brands that have had those sorts of things for a while. But they seem really into the weird proprietary Broadcom SOCs that I guess someone managed to make a deal on or something?

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

BattleMaster posted:

But they seem really into the weird proprietary Broadcom SOCs that I guess someone managed to make a deal on or something?

Eben Upton, the founder of the Pi Foundation, used to be a chip designer at Broadcom. AFAIK the first-gen Pi was basically a stripped down version of the reference platform for one of their set-top box SoCs.

I recall reading that the later chips used in the 2 and 3 are customized specifically for the Pi foundation and are not available to third parties. Not sure how true that is.

Either way, it's a safe bet that official RPi products will be Broadcom-based pretty much forever unless something really stupid happens.

mewse
May 2, 2006

wolrah posted:

Eben Upton, the founder of the Pi Foundation, used to be a chip designer at Broadcom. AFAIK the first-gen Pi was basically a stripped down version of the reference platform for one of their set-top box SoCs.

I recall reading that the later chips used in the 2 and 3 are customized specifically for the Pi foundation and are not available to third parties. Not sure how true that is.

Either way, it's a safe bet that official RPi products will be Broadcom-based pretty much forever unless something really stupid happens.

It's nice if broadcom became invested to the point of designing custom silicon, because usually these low cost boards are on some dead end, poorly documented platform. Credit to the RPi foundation for having the vision tho.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Next month is my b-day and I'm going to gift myself a raspberry. I own two microSD (samsung evo 32gb) and I want one for emulators and other as mediabox (netflix and other streaming stuff). What are the recommended OS for both? I see recalbox is popular for emus but what's easy to use mainly for media/browsing?

I see since last time I checked that there's a Pi 3 b+. Is that the one I should aim for? Do I need a fan or a heatsink kit is enough?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Guillermus posted:

Next month is my b-day and I'm going to gift myself a raspberry. I own two microSD (samsung evo 32gb) and I want one for emulators and other as mediabox (netflix and other streaming stuff). What are the recommended OS for both? I see recalbox is popular for emus but what's easy to use mainly for media/browsing?

I see since last time I checked that there's a Pi 3 b+. Is that the one I should aim for? Do I need a fan or a heatsink kit is enough?

I've got a pi setup with Retropie for game emulation and one with kodi for media playing. I haven't had a need for a fan but I don't try to do anything too crazy with the raspberry pis. Most of the ones I have came with heatsinks in the kits, though. If you're buying a Pi now you should get the Pi 3 B+ because it's the latest and fastest.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



As I already have two microSD, 36€ for the Pi 3b+ and 11€ for an Aukru kit (3000 mAh charger, heatsinks, box) seems a good price. I guess both wired xbox360 pads and bluetooth Dualshock 4 are supported, right?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

I haven't tried a dualshock but I do use xbox 360 controllers.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

You can install Kodi in Retropie. So in theory you would only need one device for media player and games. Although I am not sure of support for Kodi 18 in it yet as it is still in Alpha. You need Kodi 18 for Netflix etc.
Also get the 3b+ but make sure whatever software you use supports it. E.g Osmc does but OpenElec doesn’t yet.

forkbucket
Mar 9, 2008

Magnets are my only weakness.
In my experience PlayStation controllers are a bit fiddly if you want Bluetooth on retropie. When I tried it you could install the drivers pretty easily, but when they were active I could only get the PS4 controller to work but the other Bluetooth controllers didn't. Probably not a problem if you only have PS4 controllers, but something to consider if you mix and match Bluetooth controllers.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Main use will be wired xbox360 and if I carry it around, use a dualshock 4. As for mouse/keyboard I have one of these 1 dongle for both.

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Manky
Mar 20, 2007


Fun Shoe

Guillermus posted:

Next month is my b-day and I'm going to gift myself a raspberry. I own two microSD (samsung evo 32gb) and I want one for emulators and other as mediabox (netflix and other streaming stuff). What are the recommended OS for both? I see recalbox is popular for emus but what's easy to use mainly for media/browsing?

I set my pi up all of two days ago so definitely defer to people with more experience, but fwiw: I tried out retropie, lakka, and recalbox, and prefer recalbox by far. Best balance of function to speed to ease of use, from my brief time with them. And I really like the boot screens. Currently it's in "open beta" for the 3b+ (link is on their forums), it's been working well so far but certainly keep that in mind. It comes with Kodi v17 included.

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