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Turtlicious posted:space is big, and ships are very fast if they're not in hyper speed. Space IS big and not enough movies make a big deal of how fuckoff big it is. But I don't think that changes anything? We've seen combat in star wars and the way it works is capital ships or flagships end up moving in either stationary or predictable paths, so it wouldn't be hard to ram them with a spaceship at hyperdrive if that was a valid maneuver / tactic. And even if its suicidal, some of the stormtroopers would be made to do it or the rebels would get desperate enough to martyr themselves. Or, you know, droids. Uh, aren't ships faster in hyper speed? But I think your point is even when not in hyper speed they're still fast, which is true, but they still move in predictable paths generally, especially the larger craft like destroyers or the death star. Turtlicious posted:moving faster then the speed of light moves you faster than 186,282 miles per second. If you just turned the hyper speed on for a fraction of a second (which you couldn't, because that's not how it works) you'd be so far away you wouldn't be able to intercept them for what might be ever. If they did 2 jumps, forward a bunch and then back, they'd be in front of a warships full battery of cannons. Plus the ship would be moving so fast it might risk smashing into them when they pop out of hyper space. It's also super inaccurate, you don't get to control where you pop out of hyperspace. You pop out, see how far off from where you guessed you were, then use sub light engines to get back. The books have all sorts of stories about empire dudes who spent entire battles micro jumping, and then getting blown up because they kept repositioning instead of fighting. That's an argument for using smaller, more nible craft though. At that point you'd just build a fleet of TIE fighters with hyperdrives installed and you'd win every war. Anything larger would be a massive liability. Turtlicious posted:Finally it's a huge waste of resources, and the commander is a sadist. Part of the reason he is chasing them is because he wants to chase them and have them slowly die. Or else he'd have been much more aggressive, and wouldn't have wasted so much time. Warping a few ships is a huge waste of resources when its the entire enemy fleet you can destroy? What else are resources for?? They're the goddamn empire dude. "he wanted to have them slowly die" is a pretty lovely defense. Well, he's like a Bond villain... yeaaah that's lame.
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The commander was a sadistic rear end in a top hat and didn't want to do that. He could have, probably.
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Basebf555 posted:Space is huge, you really think you can sandwich a fleet with a handful of big ships? It just doesn't seem feasible to me. You absolutely can. Every split you make forces them to divert to an alternate, sub-optimal path which effectively slows them down relative to the pursuing ships. If you divide into like 8 groups, you could really gently caress them pretty fast.
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Do you get this spun up about how the trench run in the original film is dumber than poo poo too? 
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Aphrodite posted:The commander was a sadistic rear end in a top hat and didn't want to do that. He could have, probably. The commander was a joke. Which is a big problem in the ST, all the villains lack any threat specifically to our heroes and to anyone in general. Hux is a Saturday morning cartoon clown that gets disrespected and made a fool by everyone at every turn, making so many obvious tactical errors and mistakes that the Scooby-Doo could easily escape him. Kylo Ren has gotten his rear end kicked by Rey every time they meet with sabers or the Force and flipflops between petulant child and tryhard Hot Topic shopper. Phasma has been promptly captured, betrayed the First Order, thrown down a trash chute, survived only to have a failed Stormtrooper easily defeat her, and gotten thrown to maybe her death. Snoke is dead. The farcical villains are nearly Spaceballs extras, which not only worsens the serious tone issues, but deflates any sense of tension. How can there be any sense of danger or menace with a rouge's gallery of bozos?
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Sep 15, 2018 00:42
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LeJackal posted:
What do you expect? They put this man in charge of a Star Destroyer!
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Ya if you want to pick holes in movies can we remember that the original trilogy was loving full of them, like the fact that Luke probably only spends a day or two training with Yoda, or that Luke was "hidden" under his own original name, or that Leia seemingly doesn't grieve at all for her home planet and everyone she knew being blown up, or the fact that Vader can somehow "sense" Luke and Leia but only after it's revealed that they're his kids but also he already knows that Luke's his son so why not Leia. Oh and while we're on that, why didn't Vader just grab Luke with the force when he jumps? Or how about the totally contrived nature of the entire climax of A New Hope - why didn't the death star just blow up that planet instead of spending like half an hour orbiting it or, hell, just jump out of Lightspeed on the other side, etc etc etc. If you want to rubbish TLJ for having big plot holes then go ahead, but don't hold that up as a unique reason why it's a bad movie as though ALL of the star wars movies aren't full of bullshit and inconsistency. People write novels' worth of fanfiction/theories to justify and explain the various plot holes in the original saga but get all mad at some poo poo in TLJ not, on the surface, seeming to add up.
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Gaunab posted:There's a star wars character named kit fisto. Always makes me laugh.
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jabby posted:As sci-fi chases go, I like the opening season of Battlestar Galactica. Where the Cylons just show up relentlessly every half hour, and their biggest problem is that no-one can sleep through a hyperspace jump. That episode, 33, is one of the finest hours of television ever produced. It's a shame that series went off the rails a bit towards the end because it started so sublime. Peeny Cheez posted:Nothing will ever top this Elan Sleazebaggano begs to differ.
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bike tory posted:Ya if you want to pick holes in movies can we remember that the original trilogy was loving full of them, like the fact that Luke probably only spends a day or two training with Yoda, or that Luke was "hidden" under his own original name Luke Lars used nothing Yoda taught him to embrace his father and save the galaxy.
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Davros1 posted:What do you expect? They put this man in charge of a Star Destroyer! Why the gently caress was that guy so angry.
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Mu Zeta posted:Why the gently caress was that guy so angry. He was housemates with this guy, anyone would have been angry. 
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Memento posted:Elan Sleazebaggano begs to differ.
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LeJackal posted:The commander was a joke. Which is a big problem in the ST, all the villains lack any threat specifically to our heroes and to anyone in general. Hux is a Saturday morning cartoon clown that gets disrespected and made a fool by everyone at every turn, making so many obvious tactical errors and mistakes that the Scooby-Doo could easily escape him. I think he's funnier that way. He reminds me of people I know.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think he's funnier that way. He reminds me of people I know. The villain shouldn't be funny, though. He's supposed to be threatening.
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LeJackal posted:The villain shouldn't be funny, though. He's supposed to be threatening. That's what the guns and other assortments war machines are for.
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LeJackal posted:The villain shouldn't be funny, though. He's supposed to be threatening. In a different kind of movie, sure. There are plenty of villains who are written and played humorously.
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MariusLecter posted:That's what the guns and other assortments war machines are for. Those aren't scary when they are being controlled by a clown, though. Where is the tension without the threat? Schubalts posted:In a different kind of movie, sure. There are plenty of villains who are written and played humorously. In comedy films, sure, and maybe the Plinkett review is right; this was structured as a comedy.
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LeJackal posted:Those aren't scary when they are being controlled by a clown, though. Sorry the Nazi analogues in space aren't given the respect you think they deserve.
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Memento posted:He was housemates with this guy, anyone would have been angry.  I was incredibly surprised that Captain Edward Hitler survived the entire film though, British TV actors don't have a great track record on that front. LeJackal posted:Those aren't scary when they are being controlled by a clown, though.
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Memento posted:That episode, 33, is one of the finest hours of television ever produced. It's a shame that series went off the rails a bit towards the end because it started so sublime. I love that episode, and reading the wikipedia page about the stuff that got cut to make it less 'dark' irrationally irritates me.
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MariusLecter posted:Sorry the Nazi analogues in space aren't given the respect you think they deserve. Well there's the problem, the script writers were so busy trying to say 'Nazi BAD and DUMM' that they failed to make villains suited to the purpose of creating drama and tension necessary for a heroic struggle and a satisfying narrative. The Empire in the OT are obviously allusions to fascism and they are nakedly evil, they are also competent and legitimate threats to our protagonists which makes the escapes and conflict ultimately interesting.
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LeJackal posted:Well there's the problem, the script writers were so busy trying to say 'Nazi BAD and DUMM' that they failed to make villains suited to the purpose of creating drama and tension necessary for a heroic struggle and a satisfying narrative. The new order are competent and legitimate threats, they hunt down and almost massacre the remnants of the rebels. Leia wanted to flee to avoid them regrouping to finish them off and Poe wanted to deliver a decisive strike that succeeded and ultimately cost them dearly. Refusing to play into their self importance and decorum before blowing them up is great.
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MariusLecter posted:The new order are competent and legitimate threats, they hunt down and almost massacre the remnants of the rebels. Why did the Dreadnaught fire on the stationary, abandoned base instead of the fleet preparing to flee? Why didn't the FO deploy a fighter screen immediately after arriving to protect their Dreadnought? (Especially considering their surface cannons apparently aren't effective versus snub fighters, a Resistance staple.) Why weren't the Star Destroyers doing anything? Why do they only use one tracker? Why don't they pincer or flank with a fraction of their massive battle group? Why weren't their fighters used to disable the feeling craft? WHY IS THE FIRST ORDER SO STUPID? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLqLQvTbo-Y Also their commanders are clowns or shrieking emo manchildren. They aren't threatening. Edit: On reflection, I realize the problem now. TLJ is an example of fascist propaganda, where the enemy (The First Order) are at the same time too strong and too weak. Looking through that lens, it all makes sense now MariusLecter posted:Leia wanted to flee to avoid them regrouping to finish them off and Poe wanted to deliver a decisive strike that succeeded and ultimately cost them dearly. Leia's decision would have led to the Dreadnought destroying the entire fleet at the beginning of the chase. Even if it hadn't, at the cost of a dozen fighters/bombers and their crew Poe eliminated approximately 210,000 officers, crew, and stormtroopers along with the vessel itself. As a tactical and strategic trade its hard to imagine a better outcome. Poe did nothing wrong. MariusLecter posted:Refusing to play into their self importance and decorum before blowing them up is great. Yeah, if you're making a madcap comedy I guess. Too bad that conflicts tonally, but its not like its a good movie. LeJackal has a new favorite as of 04:00 on Sep 15, 2018 |
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So i don't know Predator ~lore~ very well but was there ever anything about Taking the "strongest" creatures DNA and using it to evolve themselves into Super Predators? Because if that's not the case it seems like kind of a dumb premise overall, especially for a remake nowadays.
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bike tory posted:Anecdotally, everyone I've talked to about it enjoyed it. There's a very vocal minority (particularly on the internet) who think it's the worst movie ever for various lovely reasons and I think they tend to give the perception it was not well received though Here's sort of a different take on TLJ for me: If people ask me what I think about it, I'll say I've trouble sitting through it, I found it tried too hard to be funny and I found it boring. But I notice there is a slight tone from people who loved it that sort of sounds like they're embarrassed for the people who didn't. The closest thing I can think of is Ang Lee's Hulk and MAYBE in a few years there will be a similar turn around. Specifically, when Lee's Hulk came out, it was polarizing and I remember being unhappy with that movie but everyone else I knew sort of geek shamed you into loving it. I'd know people who'd seen it multiple times in theaters and declared how great it was and if you didn't like it, it was a film that went over your head. Then cut to 7-8 years later and those same people had almost nothing good to say about that movie once the MCU started up proper.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:So i don't know Predator ~lore~ very well but was there ever anything about Taking the "strongest" creatures DNA and using it to evolve themselves into Super Predators? Because if that's not the case it seems like kind of a dumb premise overall, especially for a remake nowadays. I mean, they already have a pretty human-ish idea of sports hunting, doesn't the spoiler sound like something that we'd do if given the opportunity?
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I don't want antlers and I don't want to be lumped in with people who identify as wolves and big cats, no
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LeJackal posted:The villain shouldn't be funny, though. Why not? JediTalentAgent posted:But I notice there is a slight tone from people who loved it that sort of sounds like they're embarrassed for the people who didn't. I wouldn't worry. There are far fewer people who liked it (never mind loved it) than didn't like it, so you're in the clear majority if you didn't like it. quote:Specifically, when Lee's Hulk came out, it was polarizing and I remember being unhappy with that movie but everyone else I knew sort of geek shamed you into loving it. I'd know people who'd seen it multiple times in theaters and declared how great it was and if you didn't like it, it was a film that went over your head. Then cut to 7-8 years later and those same people had almost nothing good to say about that movie once the MCU started up proper. See, that's very different from what I remember; people didn't like that movie because it wasn't a "conventional" comic book movie like Spider-Man or X-Men or Batman (usually, though not always: Hero Origin -> Main Villain from Comic's Origin -> Hero Beats Villain). The people who I find like it now are people who really hate the MCU movies. 
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I like pretty much every Marvel movie but I also quite like Ang Lee's Hulk, I watched it after I'd seen quite a few MCU movies but I still enjoyed it a lot. I don't think it's a superhero movie at all, though, so the comparison is a little faulty. For the record: still haven't gotten around to watch Hulk with Edward Norton.
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The Edward Norton Hulk is fine. It's got one pretty good fight scene where Hulk fights Tim Roth. I don't really remember much else of it, though.
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Hi, IIMM thread. You're goddamn killing me. Please somebody else watch "Sierra Burgess Is A Loser" on Netflix so instead of Star Wars we can discuss while it's a super cute Cyrano de Beregac adaptation for the modern age Sierra's behavior is still horrid AF. thanks
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like legit I just watched and enjoyed the film but drat the catfishing is hosed up
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also how Harry Potter treats the house-elves and goblins. Harry Potter has literally dozens of sapient magic using species, from Sphinxes, to Goblins, to House Elves, to Centaurs. Every single one is treated like poo poo.
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And JK Rowling is a racist and a TERF and should be burned and all her books banned for the trash they are.
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The first Harry Potter movie is nearly three hours long and it is a testament to the popularity of Harry Potter in 2001 that millions of children sat though it anyway.
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Simply Simon posted:I like pretty much every Marvel movie but I also quite like Ang Lee's Hulk, I watched it after I'd seen quite a few MCU movies but I still enjoyed it a lot. I don't think it's a superhero movie at all, though, so the comparison is a little faulty. For the record: still haven't gotten around to watch Hulk with Edward Norton. Liar, nobody likes Hulk when he's Ang Lee.
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Jedit posted:Liar, nobody likes Hulk when he's Ang Lee. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:The first Harry Potter movie is nearly three hours long and it is a testament to the popularity of Harry Potter in 2001 that millions of children sat though it anyway. Pretty much the same thing happened with the books, no one thought kids had the patience for a full length novel.
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