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Anonymous Robot posted:There are some alright jokes, but I dunno, I feel the same way about all that ironic exploitation parody. There’s just nothing to it. Even genuine exploitation movies, the good ones at least, have some kind of urgency behind their creation. Feels like there’s nothing really going on here. It’ll take me a little time to figure out why that is and put it in terms I can explain, I bet, but I don’t mark out just because there are buckets of blood on the screen. okay, you're not the first person i've seen say this so it's not solely directed at you, but where did the idea that HWaS is an exploitation parody come from? like, it's jokey as hell but... i really didn't get the vibe that the joke was on the movie itself. it's more that the world Eisener created for it is bizarre as gently caress in ways that are funny as hell as often as they're horrifying (and sometimes it's both). like, tonally i'd say it has more in common with, like, Crank: High Voltage or Mandy than Sharknado. and i definitely wasn't marking out just for the gore; if anything, i think the main attraction of the movie is that Hauer loving kills it as the Hobo, to the point where i'd say it legit ranks in his best performances.
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You’re right, parody is the wrong word. It’s postmodern, in the sense that it’s highly self-aware of the tradition it’s participating in, and that awareness creates an ironic distanciation from its content. Tuxedo: lmao, but I guess someone must’ve really wanted it, huh.
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Sep 16, 2018 03:35
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The thing is that postmodern detachment has been with exploitation films from the beginning. Many of Ray Dennis Steckler's films are highly self-aware, you don't go with a title that parodies Dr. Strangelove without, you know, knowing exactly what you're doing. The Gore Gore Girls is just the most self-aware of Gordon Lewis's films, but they all have this very cynical, "you know what you're here for" attitude to them. Like, Color Me Blood Red doesn't end with a character doing a Looney Tunes bit and acknowledging the audience, but it does end with a throwaway joke. There's no way to watch William Castle's The Tingler or Roger Corman's Bucket of Blood and not see a self-consciousness of sorts, a filmmaker using low budget cinema to try to articulate something about 'low art.' Any of y'all seen The Undertaker and His Pals? These movies are not precisely subtle. The problem is that the predominating mode of cult film fandom is to look back upon the marginalia of independent cinema in bad faith. Everything is an "accident," everything is "unintentionally" funny. Then modern exploitation filmmakers literally just do the exact same sorts of poo poo - but, often times, to much better technical accomplishment - and the criticism is not that it's conceptually derivative, but that it somehow isn't 'authentic' because the filmmakers are "intentionally" making low art, as opposed to the directors of, like, The Corpse-Grinders or I Drink Your Blood, who had no idea what they were doing.
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Sep 16, 2018 03:47
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I really like Ray Dennis Steckler's weird rear end movies.
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Sep 16, 2018 03:48
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Molotov cocktail take: Hobo with a Shotgun is the better than/actually good version of Sorry to Bother You
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Sep 16, 2018 04:06
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I bounced off of Hobo with a Shotgun mostly because the trailer from Grindhouse gave us a glimpse of a far superior film. The movie we got doesn't really do anything that Troma didn't do better and more energetically.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:07
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Blasphemers! I'm surrounded by blasphemers!
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Sep 16, 2018 04:12
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Everyone involved in Tetsuo: The Iron Man desperately wanted to not be making it. The movie almost didn't get made because people involved with the project were constantly walking off the set in disgust. And somehow the result is one of the greatest films ever made. Probably top 10 material, imo.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:22
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K. Waste posted:Molotov cocktail take: Responsible, medium pace picante take: Hobo with a Shotgun is a slightly better version of Street Trash.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:23
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It's not as good as Vice Squad.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:27
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Anonymous Robot posted:Responsible, medium pace picante take: Hobo with a Shotgun is a slightly better version of Street Trash. HwaA turned out far more interesting than would be reasonable to expect, considering its origins as the R-rated equivalent of an SNL sketch. But Street Trash's authenticity and sincerity puts it leagues ahead.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:35
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Sorry To Bother You is a version of Idiocracy that instead of saying "how we live now sucks, and it's because of dumb poor people", says "how we live now sucks, and it's because of the bosses", and while neither of them is the funniest movie I've ever seen, they've both got some solid gags and really good lead performances. A double feature coming to Comedy Central next year.
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Sep 16, 2018 04:42
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K. Waste posted:Molotov cocktail take: White savior vs warning of a white savior?
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Sep 16, 2018 05:03
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Mandy whips scrote
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Sep 16, 2018 05:47
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bushisms.txt posted:White savior vs warning of a white savior? There's exactly 2 POCs in Scumtown and neither of them are particularly important to the story, I don't think it qualifies as a white savior story.
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Sep 16, 2018 05:55
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Dissapointed Owl posted:HwaA turned out far more interesting than would be reasonable to expect, considering its origins as the R-rated equivalent of an SNL sketch. But Street Trash's authenticity and sincerity puts it leagues ahead. I'm torn on this because I like Hobo With A Shotgun much more than I like Street Trash, but I still liked Street Trash a lot and that dick throwing scene is one of the funniest and most outrageous gags I've ever seen in anything and is probably better than anything that happens in Hobo.
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Sep 16, 2018 06:35
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Lurdiak posted:There's exactly 2 POCs in Scumtown and neither of them are particularly important to the story, I don't think it qualifies as a white savior story. I'm just poking at finding out how they're similar.
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Sep 16, 2018 06:51
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I bounced off of Hobo with a Shotgun mostly because the trailer from Grindhouse gave us a glimpse of a far superior film. The movie we got doesn't really do anything that Troma didn't do better and more energetically. I completely forgot that Canada got Hobo in their trailers as a weird little bonus. Also seeing the title The Corpse Grinders on this page just reminded me of listening to Stephen King’s On Writing the other week and that he specifies he was in the middle of a drive-in double feature with a friend, a bit tipsy, watching that specific movie when his wife went into labor with their daughter. I wonder how many people in the world have had the moment where they discover they are hours from becoming a parent, maybe the most dramatic change of course in life, come while they’re watching some grindhouse picture about grave robbing, cadaver mulching, and cat attacks.
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Sep 16, 2018 08:35
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Samuel Clemens posted:Ah, the "will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" gambit. I think it’s “turbulent priest*”? * as opposed to laminar priest
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Sep 16, 2018 11:18
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Huh so people really made fake rottentomatoes accounts to lower The Last Jedi's audience score, including one guy who did it using a bunch of bots. All so they could make their hatred of the movie look more mainstream than it is. Is there like, something inherently wrong with Star Wars that makes people react like this to it?
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Sep 16, 2018 11:49
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Lurdiak posted:Huh so people really made fake rottentomatoes accounts to lower The Last Jedi's audience score, including one guy who did it using a bunch of bots. All so they could make their hatred of the movie look more mainstream than it is. Rotten Tomatoes said there was nothing irregular about it some months ago (though I suppose it's in their interest to say their system can't be gamed). Has there been new information out about it?
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Sep 16, 2018 11:59
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Wheat Loaf posted:Rotten Tomatoes said there was nothing irregular about it some months ago (though I suppose it's in their interest to say their system can't be gamed). Has there been new information out about it? Nah I've just been reading stuff about it, after basically spending the whole year trying not to hear about star wars in general. It's possible there was no gaming, I shouldn't take these things at face value either way I guess. But then there was that poll Mashable conducted that found 89% of audiences liked or loved it... I guess Rottentomatoes' big failing is that only people with strong feelings about a film either way would bother to rank it.
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Sep 16, 2018 12:12
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I can assure you that at least the vast majority of people involved with making Hobo With a Shotgun really wanted to make that movie
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Sep 16, 2018 13:20
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I've not seen Hobo With a Shotgun but I did see the first Machete. The first Machete feels like an homage to grindhouse movies from the 70s updated for 2010 or whenever it came out. You know, Rodriguez wanted to homage exploitation movies so he made an exploitation movie. The second Machete movie seems to be aiming in a comedic direction but when I watched it, it seemed like a very self-conscious movie to me, inasmuch as I felt like Rodriguez was constantly trying to reassure the audience that he knew how stupid it all was rather than just committing to making a stupid movie, if that makes sense.
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https://twitter.com/buttpraxis/status/1040792358852259840
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Sep 16, 2018 14:30
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therattle posted:I think it’s “turbulent priest*”? Are you sure it wasn't laminar? He was separated into layers easily enough.
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Lurdiak posted:Huh so people really made fake rottentomatoes accounts to lower The Last Jedi's audience score, including one guy who did it using a bunch of bots. All so they could make their hatred of the movie look more mainstream than it is. There's nothing wrong with Star Wars itself, just the kind of person who has their identity tied up in an insular community based around their goofy interests and/or hobbies.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:28
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Which do people like better - Predator or Die Hard? They're both great but it's Die Hard for me.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:51
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Predator. Die Hard is great, but McClane is very light on personality imo. Gruber goes a long way to make up for that, but Predator is brimming with fun characters overflowing with personality. It makes it a much more enjoyable watch for me even if its not as tight.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:56
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Die Hard is a tighter a flick, and that's without slighting Predator much.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:01
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Die Hard all the way. Not that I have anything against Predator, but Die Hard is a lot more fun to me. Also I just remembered Shane Black was in the first Predator, so that’s a thing.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:17
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Schwarzwald posted:Are you sure it wasn't laminar? He was separated into layers easily enough. 
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Sep 16, 2018 17:31
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Die Hard is the 80s and the 80s is Die Hard--one cannot exist without the other.
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Sep 16, 2018 19:00
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Glenn Howerton is an American hero. https://twitter.com/GlennHowerton/status/1041387129081745408
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Sep 16, 2018 19:11
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Actually, I think I like Lethal Weapon and possibly Lethal Weapon 2 more than both Predator and Die Hard.
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Sep 16, 2018 19:40
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I unironically love how the midrange of America's genre film industry has taken on an... oddly Italian bent. Like, Wixploitation and Purgesploitation make up a weirdly big amount of the movies released in the US in the past couple years, and that's just what's stuck out to me. Blumsploitation (the Paranormal Activity and Conjuring movies and their absolute loving horde of also-rans) has been a thing for a while, too. It sort of makes you wonder how film geeks are gonna look at these movies in 25 years.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:18
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What's "Wixploitation"?
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Sep 16, 2018 22:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's "Wixploitation"? John Wick, I think
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That would make sense. What sort of thing other than the John Wick movies fit into the category? Atomic Blonde, off the top of my head. What else?
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I've never heard the term "wixploitation" before two minutes ago, and my first thought was having something to do with wicca or witches.
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