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Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

ewe2 posted:

In the video I quoted, the guy flies 747s for a living, yet he still regularly gets up in a GA and practices spins and failures because he wants to reinforce the good habits and react better when there's trouble. I would feel a lot safer with that guy than most.

The plane crash I was in was in a GA aircraft with an experienced 747 pilot and a trainer pilot at the controls. Engine got quiet, experienced pilot puts us down gear-up in the grass next to a runway kind of before I realized what was going on.

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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Cocoa Crispies posted:

The plane crash I was in was in a GA aircraft with an experienced 747 pilot and a trainer pilot at the controls. Engine got quiet, experienced pilot puts us down gear-up in the grass next to a runway kind of before I realized what was going on.

QED :v:

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.
this looks like a brave shortcut

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spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all

BadOptics posted:




Every Marine an infantryman, every Marine a rotary pilot.

From a couple pages ago, but that's the AT Black Knight Transformer. It also supposedly going to fold the engine spars in, and drive on electric motors. It's supposed to be remote operated, and primarily used for battlefield resupply/medevac.

It's also been in development hell since at least 2014.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

meltie posted:

this looks like a brave shortcut



I'm sure they were completely sober before dispatching on that route. Keep flying the crazy fight comrades :ussr:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

meltie posted:

this looks like a brave shortcut



Pretty sure I talked to that guy. Shine on, crazy Russian diamond.

:allears:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
gently caress it how often are you gonna get to fly over a massive hurricane

plus I don't think that winds are very strong up at 35,000 feet above a hurricane

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

gently caress it how often are you gonna get to fly over a massive hurricane

plus I don't think that winds are very strong up at 35,000 feet above a hurricane

“FREQ CB 500/XXX”

Yeah, checks out...

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
https://youtu.be/OBTZVY9ge9k

Commentator says some meaningful things about Pugachev'sc Cobra, beyond "holy poo poo look how amazing this is"

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
No...that's pretty much all he's saying. The Flanker was a FBW design. If it were anything but nice and stable, it would be something to talk about.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
Maggie, the 17 year old pilot from last week, just went up again, and landed safely

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/17-year-old-flies-again-after-crash-landing-during-first-solo-flight/vi-BBNmysB

ausgezeichnet
Sep 18, 2005

In my country this is definitely not offensive!
Nap Ghost

PT6A posted:

“FREQ CB 500/XXX”

Yeah, checks out...

I've flown over dozens of East Coast hurricanes with barely a bump. They really don't have that much vertical development in their thunderstorms and the tops generally don't get above 32-35,000 ft. It's usually fairly easy to pick your way around the taller cells.

That Allegiant flight that went straight across Florence the other day might have got the Twitterverse excited, but I bet the ride wasn't that bad. Though landing between bands in SJU like Delta did during Maria last year - hoo boy.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



One week later hot drat

God: "Okay, for this next encounter you have the same approach, same right fixed wheel missing but a left crosswind, and roll initiative for the two CR 3 giant scorpions on the airfoil..."

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Sep 16, 2018

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Good on her!

But seriously, how much worse is it going to get? You already handled an unlikely and reasonably severe emergency situation safely, that's better than I expect a lot of licensed pilots would do.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



My brother’s plane crash is still being processed by the NTSB, but I don’t know if the FAA gave him the ok to fly again afterwards in less than a week (he walked away, no story until after the NTSB does their thing, but he’s flying now).

charliemonster42
Sep 14, 2005


Preoptopus posted:

Ahhhhh thats the stuff. ty And yea I need that book.

That article is lifted directly from the book.

https://www.amazon.com/747-Creating...L70_&dpSrc=srch

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


A photographer I know got some good shots of an AN-124 in Queensland:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/photographybyjasonm/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1774860505925802

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/1041886155120279552

Il-20 down in the Med; Russia all but says it was shot down by a French Navy ship supporting Israeli F-16 strikes in Syria. This could be... interesting.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Meanwhile, a US official is saying hat while Israel was shooting missiles into Syria, Syria’s response inadvertently also targeted the downed IL-20.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/17/politics/syrian-regime-shoots-down-russian-plane/index.html

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




HookedOnChthonics posted:

https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/1041886155120279552

Il-20 down in the Med; Russia all but says it was shot down by a French Navy ship supporting Israeli F-16 strikes in Syria. This could be... interesting.

Death toll is probably less than 283.

gently caress 'em they deserved it.


....is probably not going to be France's response.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Why the gently caress would an anti-submarine frigate of the French navy support an Israeli raid?

thesurlyspringKAA
Jul 8, 2005
It wouldn’t. The plane was almost definitely shot down by Syrian IADS by mistake

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Yeah, confirmed by the Russians, even though they are quite pissy about it.

From behind leaky paywall: https://www.ft.com/content/dd868228-bb1e-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5

quote:



Moscow has threatened to retaliate against Israel after accusing the country of a “deliberate provocation” that it said led to the shooting down of a Russian military aircraft in Syria.

Russia said a military reconnaissance plane with 15 crew members on board was shot down by mistake over the Mediterranean on Monday night by Syrian government anti-aircraft defences during an attack by Israeli jets that used the Russian plane as cover.

Russia’s defence ministry said it blamed Israeli for “irresponsible and hostile” actions that it said caused the incident, and that it reserved the right to take an “appropriate response.” The Israeli F-16 jets were striking targets near the Syrian city of Latakia and had only given Moscow one minute’s notice of their attack, the ministry said.

“Covering themselves with a Russian plane, the Israeli pilots placed it under the fire of Syria's air defence, and as a result, the IL-20 [plane], which had an effective reflective surface an order of magnitude greater than that of the F-16, was hit by an S-200 missile,” Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the ministry, told reporters.

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Moscow declined to comment. The incident comes a few days after Israel attacked an arms depot near Damascus airport.

“The Israeli planes deliberately created a dangerous situation for surface ships and aircraft in the area,” Mr Konashenkov added, saying that the search for the wreckage was continuing. “As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen were killed, which is absolutely not in the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership.”

With Russia, Turkey, the US, France, Israel, Iran and other countries involved in Syria’s seven-year war, clashes between foreign militaries has long been a major risk.

In 2015 Turkey shot down a Russian jet, prompting Moscow to freeze diplomatic relations and respond with measures to hurt trade and business ties.

Earlier on Tuesday, Russia had said the turbo-prop plane disappeared from radars at 8pm GMT on Monday during its approach to the Russian air base in Khmeimim, during strikes on Syrian targets by Israeli and French forces.

Latakia and the region around the city is a stronghold of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad’s regime and has typically been spared the worst fighting.

Samar Houriyeh, a Latakia primary school teacher who lives near the coast, said her family was eating dinner when they heard air strikes on Monday night. “First we heard sounds of what we figured out were missile flights nearby. We did not hear them land but the electricity was cut soon afterwards.”

“My children started crying because of the sounds of missiles and defence systems,” she added. “The sky turned red for a moment, while we heard sounds we almost never hear in Latakia.”

Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu telephoned his Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman on Tuesday to say that Israel was fully responsible for the incident, Moscow said.

“Sergei Shoigu stated that the blame for the downed Russian plane and the death of the crew lies entirely on the Israeli side,” the Russian ministry said.

Additional reporting by Asser Khattab in Beirut

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

HookedOnChthonics posted:

https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/1041886155120279552

Il-20 down in the Med; Russia all but says it was shot down by a French Navy ship supporting Israeli F-16 strikes in Syria. This could be... interesting.

Was it trying to land on the Admiral Kuznetsov? :smugdog:

InAndOutBrennan
Dec 11, 2008

Cat Mattress posted:

Why the gently caress would an anti-submarine frigate of the French navy support an Israeli raid?

The french FREMMs have cruise missiles. But still.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

BadOptics posted:

Was it trying to land on the Admiral Kuznetsov? :smugdog:

Don’t be ridiculous.

The Kuznetsov’s world‐class optical countermeasures would have concealed it from enemy fire.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

InAndOutBrennan posted:

The french FREMMs have cruise missiles. But still.

I think you mean SAMs

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
How is that Israel's fault??? :psyduck:

"The perfidious Jews made our incompetent allies shoot our plane down with their own missiles, clearly this is primarily their fault!"

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
It sounds like they are blaming Israel like they used the Russian aircraft as a shield from SAM fire, but the answer there is don’t shoot if you’ll hit a friendly aircraft, not shoot anyway and then get mad they used a friendly that way.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Sep 18, 2018

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Always know what's behind/near the thing you're shooting at. It's a basic rule of firearm safety and I certainly don't see why it should be any different for missiles.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Maybe the Russians shouldn't be flying old propeller planes through a war zone

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Mazz posted:

It sounds like they are blaming Israel like they used the Russian aircraft as a shield from SAM fire, but the answer there is don’t shoot if you’ll hit a friendly aircraft, not shoot anyway and then get mad they used a friendly that way.

Russia's patented "measure once, cut twice" method

InAndOutBrennan
Dec 11, 2008

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I think you mean SAMs

They have both. It's not likely they would, but they could assist Israel with a land strike if they wanted to. Not only hunt subs like the other post alluded to.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mazz posted:

It sounds like they are blaming Israel like they used the Russian aircraft as a shield from SAM fire, but the answer there is don’t shoot if you’ll hit a friendly aircraft, not shoot anyway and then get mad they used a friendly that way.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Syria probably doesn't have ideal personnel manning their S-200 sites.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

InAndOutBrennan posted:

They have both. It's not likely they would, but they could assist Israel with a land strike if they wanted to. Not only hunt subs like the other post alluded to.

It's more that it's not their job.

Sure they do have a small amount of MDCN (ship-launched derivative of the SCALP-EG/StormShadow) because the AVT ("action towards land") variant of the frigates was scrapped, but they have exceedingly few anti-air missiles and so they're supposed to keep them for defense rather than offense, such as intercepting an anti-ship missile. So they would only shoot down a Russian plane if it seemed a threat.

There are dedicated anti-air frigates for offensive roles.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Syria probably doesn't have ideal personnel manning their S-200 sites.

I had a part in my post about it very likely being lovely Syrian crews over Israel deliberately using the Il-20, and realized both of those were probably true :v:

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Mazz posted:

I had a part in my post

Well I should hope so, account sharing is against the rules :colbert:

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

For sale: one airfield, located near resort destinations

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Looks like a seaplane base to me

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Another open source report said the IL-20 was on landing approach to Latakia as missiles came in low near or around Latakia, so, if accurate, possibly not a fun crew for a decent air defense crew/system, much less one facing attrition and generally desperate.

Sucks for the IL-20 crew.

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