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Tias posted:Probably are going to be some alt-right and MRA weeabs that will complain they can't rape people No they won't, the modding community has them covered.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Honestly even that is kind of dumb. If you're going to have a German campaign making the guys in it The Good OnesTM who were just fighting for their homeland and weren't down with any of that Nazi BS is not even thinly veiled clean wehrmact bullshit. And to that dude, even that was 'rehashing the same safe political narrative'. I straight up asked him what he wanted and he replied Africa 1943. Really daring ground there.
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Sep 18, 2018 07:31
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A German campaign as a double-agent within Nazi Intelligence, where your goal is to make sure every mission fails as hard as possible, but avoid suspicion.
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The tricky part is that games are inherently fun. If you do what a few people in the thread have suggested and accurately portray the player character and his fellow soldiers as enthusiastic Nazis, AND have the game be fun, you've accidentally made a nazi simulator. Getting the balance right isn't easy, and I'm not surprised most developers take the easy way out and steer clear of the Germans doing anything bad in games where players can be Germans, even if it does perpetuate the clean wehrmacht myth. Spec ops the line had major issues because of this. Nobody is going to stop playing a game they paid for, which undermined the point it was trying to make.
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Tunicate posted:A German campaign as a double-agent within Nazi Intelligence, where your goal is to make sure every mission fails as hard as possible, but avoid suspicion. But how would that be any different than a game where you play as German Intel and do your best to succeed? Everyone is still going to drink on you, and if they don't then Hitler ain't gonna listen if it goes against his preconceived notions
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Sep 18, 2018 10:12
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Splode posted:The tricky part is that games are inherently fun. This is the crux of the issue. AAA games that cost millions of dollars to make are not an appropriate platform to tell a story from the perspective of Germans in WW2, because to handle it correctly it needs to be decidedly unfun and sobering. You especially cannot tell this story in a military power fantasy action game like Battlefield. I can totally see how a narrative game from the perspective of a German soldier could be fantastic if it was some kind of indie passion project thing. This War Of Mine comes to mind. But Battlefield is just fundamentally incapable of telling this story because of the format. There's too much money riding on it and there's too much militarism baked into the format.
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Splode posted:Spec ops the line had major issues because of this. Nobody is going to stop playing a game they paid for I did. Got bored with waiting for the promised deconstruction of the genre to start, which was the only reason I was playing it in the first place. Apparently it was literally five minutes before the big thing happens that really kicks it all off, as well. Don't feel like I'm missing anything, though.
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ChubbyChecker posted:This is a really strange post that you made. The joke is those things happen in the film
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:He's not wrong, though. They are and I did pretty much a fist pump seeing no sign of those awful lovely bumper sticker meme quality emblems they had in the previous game with the current beta.
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We need a game where you play as Ferdinand Porsche and make up the zaniest poo poo that Hitler will like and then try to shove as much of it into production as possible before that pesky Speer catches you!
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Ensign Expendable posted:We need a game where you play as Ferdinand Porsche and make up the zaniest poo poo that Hitler will like and then try to shove as much of it into production as possible before that pesky Speer catches you! Besiege, but tanks
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Geisladisk posted:This is the crux of the issue. AAA games that cost millions of dollars to make are not an appropriate platform to tell a story from the perspective of Germans in WW2, because to handle it correctly it needs to be decidedly unfun and sobering. You especially cannot tell this story in a military power fantasy action game like Battlefield. Just the Germans?
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I love battlefield and stuff but I don't want any game where half the playerbase is ready to pipe the Horst Wessel lied through teamspeak to attempt to make an operation Barbarossa game even if their commissar order mini game is on point
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HorrificExistence posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmJPpluN4w some awesome bog archeology This isn't archaeology. They say they are looking for soldiers to rebury properly, but they might be treasure hunters. Regardless, they aren't digging with any archaeological intent or methodology and are just destroying whatever archaeological information those sites can offer.
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Ensign Expendable posted:We need a game where you play as Ferdinand Porsche and make up the zaniest poo poo that Hitler will like and then try to shove as much of it into production as possible before that pesky Speer catches you! This would be fantastic
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This discussion is pointless. Don't play games that you don't like but you don't decide what kinds of games other people are allowed to play.
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Sep 18, 2018 14:48
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Nenonen posted:This discussion is pointless. homie do you know where you are
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Sep 18, 2018 14:53
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:homie do you know where you are
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i'm starting to think video games are not the best way to facilitate complex discussions about morality in history
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bewbies posted:i'm starting to think video games are not the best way to facilitate complex discussions about morality in history STAVKA/OKH is nice tho.
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There's no reason you can't, it's just another form of media, but much like books or films that Take History Seriously it's likely it won't break out to a mass audience.
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bewbies posted:i'm starting to think video games are not the best way to facilitate complex discussions about morality in history Seriously though, game writers and developers who wanted to try and teach something sort of gave up after the weird controversy over 7 Days and now just want to make money the easiest way. So how about those muskets?
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What is the best way to facilitate complex discussions about morality in history? Twitter?
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Ensign Expendable posted:We need a game where you play as Ferdinand Porsche and make up the zaniest poo poo that Hitler will like and then try to shove as much of it into production as possible before that pesky Speer catches you! Car Mechanic Simulator: Ferdinand Porsche Edition. You get vague requirements and completely unsuitable components to fulfill them with.
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Fangz posted:What is the best way to facilitate complex discussions about morality in history? Twitter? I still think a Pop Culture Versus History thread here might work if set up right.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I still think a Pop Culture Versus History thread here might work if set up right. I’d bookmark that, and ask dumb questions in it.
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Taerkar posted:Car Mechanic Simulator: Ferdinand Porsche Edition. My Summer Panther.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Seriously though, game writers and developers who wanted to try and teach something sort of gave up after the weird controversy over 7 Days and now just want to make money the easiest way. What's 7 Days, and what was the controversy?
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Tias posted:What's 7 Days, and what was the controversy? Bah my memory, It was Six Days in Fallujah not seven.
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Sep 18, 2018 16:16
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Red Orchestra 2 had a single player German campaign, but it was so bad/buggy/nobody played it to the point that Tripwire stopped selling the version that came with it.
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Taerkar posted:Car Mechanic Simulator: Ferdinand Porsche Edition. There was a PC-based wargame - Rule the Waves - where you take the role of a Fisher or Tirpitz-like Grand Admiral. You design your ships, build your fleets, and eventually end up sending them out to war. The game focuses more on budgets, designs, and politics than fighting.  Maybe something like this?
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Sep 18, 2018 16:22
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Lol CSA, Jan 1900.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The problem is Gamers (a different species from people who play video games) are intensely stupid and reactionary and will complain if you try to write anything like this. If you don't hammer into their head that Nazis Are Bad they'll start singing the Horst Wessellied and complaining that you don't get to turn the tide of the war with your Superior German Uberweapons. And a sizeable portion will complain about that anyway even if you begin the game with a lengthy Richard Evans lecture about how Nazis Are Bad. Really? Because everybody seems fine with how every game about the Mafia ends with a condemnation of organized crime. Unless you're actively courting wehraboos, there's no reason to worry about what they think, they'll buy the game and play it to death because it's the closest they'll get to their beloved Nazi dream and complain all the while. What I'd be worried about is if the game's set on the eastern front, they may just go full asiatic hordes/human wave tactics about the soviets to make the Nazis compare favorably.
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Cessna posted:There was a PC-based wargame - Rule the Waves - where you take the role of a Fisher or Tirpitz-like Grand Admiral. You design your ships, build your fleets, and eventually end up sending them out to war. The game focuses more on budgets, designs, and politics than fighting. game owns i havent had many video game experiences more satisfying than a 50 thousand ton battleship with 12 18" guns blowing up things in 2D overhead view
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Ensign Expendable posted:We need a game where you play as Ferdinand Porsche and make up the zaniest poo poo that Hitler will like and then try to shove as much of it into production as possible before that pesky Speer catches you! I am genuinely curious if this could be done. Those games like Secret Hitler were just someone's crazy idea at first and then got kickstarted. Need to find someone who knows how to design a game like this. The concept is sound and fun
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Saint Celestine posted:I am genuinely curious if this could be done. Those games like Secret Hitler were just someone's crazy idea at first and then got kickstarted. Need to find someone who knows how to design a game like this. The concept is sound and fun I'd play it.
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Just reskin the Elon Musk game https://twitter.com/Freerange_Inc/status/1019206710270087169
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I remember an old effort post about how Japanese rule in Manchuria worked hand in glove with organized crime and now all I want is a Yakuza prequel set there in the 30s.
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