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How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
The latest episode of Vice on HBO is a look at Geoengineering and hooo-boy is the sulfates scientist the most somber, depressed looking guy around.

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

How are u posted:

The latest episode of Vice on HBO is a look at Geoengineering and hooo-boy is the sulfates scientist the most somber, depressed looking guy around.

He knows were detecting hydrogen sulfide exhaling creatures how can he not be depressed

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

There was a gif I saw the other day, it was country names in alphabetical order with a red or blue dot showing above or below average temperature. It goes up by year and gets very red at the end. Can somebody repost it please, I've been looking for ages? Tia.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/29/this-is-how-much-the-earth-has-warmed-up-over-the-last-200-years-7892549/ perhaps?

"temperature anomalies by country gif" in google image search

Better, original source https://twitter.com/anttilip/status/1033342041474969601?lang=en

eNeMeE fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 19, 2018

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




Thank you, that was it!

9-Volt Assault
Jan 27, 2007

Beter twee tetten in de hand dan tien op de vlucht.
Here in the Netherlands the government is doing its yearly presentation of its budget and plans for the current year, and the leader of the ruling liberal party said we have 30 years left to make the necessary changes to stay under 2 degrees. So i dont know what you guys are freaking out about, we got plenty of time!

:suicide:

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

30 years is awfully optimistic.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

To stay under +2? Yeah, that ship has sailed. I'm pretty sure if we zeroed global carbon usage tomorrow, +2 would happen anyway and maybe even +3.

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



He means under +2 in addition to the already inevitable +2 that we have accepted

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat
I am a preschool teacher in Kansas. This state doesn’t get an absurd amount of snow, but traditionally we could expect storms to drop around 8 inches if things get good and hairy.

Anyways, I was in my class the other day and was talking to a four year old about snow (it’s been really hot here) and asked them if they had ever seen a snow storm. They said “no,” at which point I realized that it hasn’t snow enough out here in the past three years to even make a good snow ball - let alone have a solid storm. It’s sad thinking that this group of kids is growing up without knowing a real winter. :/

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i too find californians very sad

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013
yeah but the kids are also doomed

Greggster
Aug 14, 2010

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

I am a preschool teacher in Kansas. This state doesn’t get an absurd amount of snow, but traditionally we could expect storms to drop around 8 inches if things get good and hairy.

Anyways, I was in my class the other day and was talking to a four year old about snow (it’s been really hot here) and asked them if they had ever seen a snow storm. They said “no,” at which point I realized that it hasn’t snow enough out here in the past three years to even make a good snow ball - let alone have a solid storm. It’s sad thinking that this group of kids is growing up without knowing a real winter. :/

Worry not, the ashes from the burning cities as mankind fights its last world war will be enough to make ashballs which is almost like snowballs.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Greggster posted:

Worry not, the ashes from the burning cities as mankind fights its last world war will be enough to make ashballs which is almost like snowballs.

and you shall know us by the trail of our.... ashen balls

Queering Wheel
Jun 18, 2011


Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

I am a preschool teacher in Kansas. This state doesn’t get an absurd amount of snow, but traditionally we could expect storms to drop around 8 inches if things get good and hairy.

Anyways, I was in my class the other day and was talking to a four year old about snow (it’s been really hot here) and asked them if they had ever seen a snow storm. They said “no,” at which point I realized that it hasn’t snow enough out here in the past three years to even make a good snow ball - let alone have a solid storm. It’s sad thinking that this group of kids is growing up without knowing a real winter. :/

I moved from Kansas to Ohio about a year ago. It was so nice to experience several actual snowstorms again after years and years of just cold nothing.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/APSouthRegion/status/1043172267960741888?s=19

I'm waiting for some local politician to say this is fine because it's clean coal ash.

friendbot2000
May 1, 2011

There has to be a way to prevent toadies like Scott Pruitt from ever taking control of the EPA again. We really need to make our regulatory agencies completely divorced from the Executive Branch fuckery.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


The Advisory Branch Proposal and every other attempt to enshrine expertise in government, nationalize the defense industry, or allow the armed forces their own design bureau that tells contractors what to make would make the government more efficient, thereby preventing Congress from fattening itself on stolen blood.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
There are worse things than a clathrate gun coming out now.

Synopsis: researching finds lake boiling with methane in the Arctic, studies it to find out source. Plot twist: its not from permafrost clathrates melting, but from fossil fuel deposits being uncovered directly.

Unsurprisingly this is a huge loving deal, since such deposits potentially hold more methane than clathrates and will release it much, much much faster.

Fun times!

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Rime posted:

There are worse things than a clathrate gun coming out now.

Synopsis: researching finds lake boiling with methane in the Arctic, studies it to find out source. Plot twist: its not from permafrost clathrates melting, but from fossil fuel deposits being uncovered directly.

Unsurprisingly this is a huge loving deal, since such deposits potentially hold more methane than clathrates and will release it much, much much faster.

Fun times!

I posted earlier about its happen faster than previously thought. Sounds like it's been upped a notch....

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Orions Lord
May 21, 2012
https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/opinie/achtergrond/2018/09/met-een-nieuwe-klimaatvisie-naar-een-groenere-aarde-646271/

In this Dutch article they are writing that the oceans and the air are circulating the co2.

98% is in the oceans and will be released when we are decreasing the co2 in the air.

Telling that reducing c02 must not be the main goal.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

I can't read Dutch, so is this article just telling people who've never had a chemistry class that Henry's Law is a thing or is there more to it?

Orions Lord
May 21, 2012
Here's a English version.

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2018/06/Berkhout.pdf

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

About the Global Warming Policy Foundation:

The Global Warming Policy Foundation is an all-party and non-party think tank and a registered educational charity which, while openminded on the contested science of global warming, is deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated.
Our main focus is to analyse global warming policies and their economic and other implications. Our aim is to provide the most robust and reliable economic analysis and advice. Above all we seek to inform the media, politicians and the public, in a newsworthy way, on the subject in general and on the misinformation to which they are all too frequently being subjected at the present time.

The key to the success of the GWPF is the trust and credibility that we have earned in the eyes of a growing number of policy makers, journalists and the interested public. The GWPF is funded overwhelmingly by voluntary donations from a number of private individuals and charitable trusts. In order to make clear its complete independence, it does not accept gifts from either energy companies or anyone with a significant interest in an energy company.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here


In addition to the above, the author isn't a climate scientist and revisits several denialist canards. I think it's safe to write him off as yet another physicist who thinks he's qualified to challenge the consensus of other disciplines.

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the only debate left in global warming is "do we implement the forced sterilization program at the refugee camps, or skip the camps altogether and proceed directly to mass graves"

StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Sep 27, 2018

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Billions are gonna take a dirt nap this century either way. :shrug:

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy
What a time to be alive

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

Admiral Ray posted:

What a time to alive to soon be dead!

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Orions Lord posted:

https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/opinie/achtergrond/2018/09/met-een-nieuwe-klimaatvisie-naar-een-groenere-aarde-646271/

In this Dutch article they are writing that the oceans and the air are circulating the co2.

98% is in the oceans and will be released when we are decreasing the co2 in the air.

Telling that reducing c02 must not be the main goal.

I have never known anybody who reads Elsevier who wasn't a murderable scumbag. I also saw this "idea" about oceans causing global warming circulating on some reactionary Dutch forums (which I read for, uh, Study Purposes), maybe it's a paid troll type of thing.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

mdemone posted:

About the Global Warming Policy Foundation:

The Global Warming Policy Foundation is an all-party and non-party think tank and a registered educational charity which, while openminded on the contested science of global warming, is deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated.
Our main focus is to analyse global warming policies and their economic and other implications. Our aim is to provide the most robust and reliable economic analysis and advice. Above all we seek to inform the media, politicians and the public, in a newsworthy way, on the subject in general and on the misinformation to which they are all too frequently being subjected at the present time.

The key to the success of the GWPF is the trust and credibility that we have earned in the eyes of a growing number of policy makers, journalists and the interested public. The GWPF is funded overwhelmingly by voluntary donations from a number of private individuals and charitable trusts. In order to make clear its complete independence, it does not accept gifts from either energy companies or anyone with a significant interest in an energy company.

Take names for when we have the Climate Trials for the paid shill deniers.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Hello Sailor posted:

In addition to the above, the author isn't a climate scientist and revisits several denialist canards. I think it's safe to write him off as yet another physicist who thinks he's qualified to challenge the consensus of other disciplines.

ex-physicist who used to work with arctic/ocean models here, the paper still makes no goddamn sense

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
I'd like to see a Chinese-style 'social credit score' system developed for your carbon footprint. Don't know what you could do with it but a tracker app would be fun.

GrimSqueaker
Sep 26, 2011

Orions Lord posted:

https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/opinie/achtergrond/2018/09/met-een-nieuwe-klimaatvisie-naar-een-groenere-aarde-646271/

In this Dutch article they are writing that the oceans and the air are circulating the co2.

98% is in the oceans and will be released when we are decreasing the co2 in the air.

Telling that reducing c02 must not be the main goal.

Elsevier is a poo poo magazine for rich people telling how rich people are great and poor people are scary, and they have a LONG history of climate change denial.

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot

Accretionist posted:

I'd like to see a Chinese-style 'social credit score' system developed for your carbon footprint. Don't know what you could do with it but a tracker app would be fun.

You could publicly shame and discriminate against people with a carbon footprint above X threshold. Extra taxes, fines, lost benefits... getting fired. Imprisonment. Execution.

A good first step into the inevitable draconian eco-fascism of the future.

uvar
Jul 25, 2011

Avoid breathing
radioactive dust.
College Slice
Edit: Australian news below.

https://twitter.com/GrogsGamut/status/1045554824907878400

Sure, it looks bad, but our new environment minister recently announced that when the current policy for reducing emissions from electrical generation "expires" in 2020, they'll replace it with... literally nothing. (Sorry if that's old news here here, I didn't notice it.)

uvar fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Sep 28, 2018

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot
I assume that carbon price period means carbon tax or something like that.

If so, what sort of numbers was Australia using for it and how was it received among the population? Poorly I imagine since it only lasted for two years, but it looks like it really did some damage on the ol' emissions.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Cross-posted from the Trump thread:

WaPo posted:

But the administration did not offer this dire forecast as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.

The draft statement, issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), was written to justify President Trump’s decision to freeze federal fuel efficiency standards for cars and light trucks built after 2020. While the proposal would increase greenhouse gas emissions, the impact statement says, that policy would add just a very small drop to a very big, hot bucket.

Paradoxically the "we're already doomed" position wrt climate change aligns well with fossil-fuel intensive energy policy.

The admin's environmental impact statement is here.

Gortarius posted:

If so, what sort of numbers was Australia using for it and how was it received among the population? Poorly I imagine since it only lasted for two years, but it looks like it really did some damage on the ol' emissions.

Not Australian but it was big easy target for dumb right-wingers. Exactly the same political battle is happening in Canada right now over the similarly anemic federal carbon tax.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
I had to go loving read it.

Jesus Christ.

quote:

Estimated CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere for 2100 would range from 789.76 parts per million (ppm) under Alternative 1 to approximately 789.11 ppm under the No Action Alternative, indicating a maximum atmospheric CO2 increase of approximately 0.65 ppm compared to the No Action Alternative. Atmospheric CO2 concentration under Alternative 7 would increase by 0.16 ppm compared with the No Action Alternative.

YES

CAR HEADING TOWARDS A CLIFF?

PEDAL TO THE METAL AND JUMP IT!

HELLWORLD, HERE WE GO

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Conspiratiorist posted:

I had to go loving read it.

Jesus Christ.


YES

CAR HEADING TOWARDS A CLIFF?

PEDAL TO THE METAL AND JUMP IT!

HELLWORLD, HERE WE GO

People ask on Facebook sometimes "When is the next Einstein coming?" There's a couple reasons that's a silly question, but in a 700-800 ppm world, the only geniuses will be nobility raised in artificial atmospheres their whole lives.

A client I support looks at, amongst other v things, co2 and higher brain development in some models. They specifically haven't published yet but it's pretty obvious already modern mammalian higher functions don't loving work in high co2 environments.

The danger isn't 700ppm, btw, it's what the children of a wage slave are exposed to -- houses in a city or suburb, schools that even today rocket well above 1200, 1500, 2000 ppm.

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