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https://twitter.com/JuCheGuevara/status/1041795533403246593
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Sep 18, 2018 04:29
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It's always jarring when socialism is talked about as little more than a developmental program for countries underdeveloped through imperialism, but I guess this dengist vision has been proven by history by now as the most effective right now for countries that aren't allies of imperial powers. I guess the jarring thing is how it requires a viewpoint that's completely foreign to the reality in imperialist countries: we have seen enough involuntary development programs and it's antithetical to theoretizations of socialism that would emancipate people from those. OTOH it's very naive to expect CCP itself to actually be on the lookout for chances to take the step beyond the current type of exploitative development, rather than ready to fight any kind of change that would erode their position, or personal positions within party leadership. At least these internet dengists suffer the worst of all from that third world dictator syndrome where nationalist or vaguely socialist dictators are supported with no serious research on who their opposition consists of, just parroting talking points of their other supporters, as if the current rulers were actually good rather than, at best, the lesser of multiple evils among power blocs that existed as serious forces when they came to power. Brains break when they commit to viewing existing rulers as good guys while they have opposition to their left killed or provide material support to others who are doing the same, simply because it's opportune for them.
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Sep 18, 2018 06:43
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uncop posted:It's always jarring when socialism is talked about as little more than a developmental program for countries underdeveloped through imperialism, but I guess this dengist vision has been proven by history by now as the most effective right now for countries that aren't allies of imperial powers. I guess the jarring thing is how it requires a viewpoint that's completely foreign to the reality in imperialist countries: we have seen enough involuntary development programs and it's antithetical to theoretizations of socialism that would emancipate people from those. A lot of people want there to be good guys of their ideology and for those good guys to be winning, and will tie themselves into knots to see the world that way. It's certainly not an issue exclusive to any ideology. (of course, imperialists don't care what the ideology is as long as the end results are to their liking)
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Sep 18, 2018 06:47
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uncop posted:It's always jarring when socialism is talked about as little more than a developmental program for countries underdeveloped through imperialism, but I guess this dengist vision has been proven by history by now as the most effective right now for countries that aren't allies of imperial powers. I guess the jarring thing is how it requires a viewpoint that's completely foreign to the reality in imperialist countries: we have seen enough involuntary development programs and it's antithetical to theoretizations of socialism that would emancipate people from those. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy5SckoCX9s
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Sep 18, 2018 08:54
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It's almost as if people are willing to support problematic governments and revolutionary movements because of the realities of the conditions foisted upon them.
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Sep 18, 2018 11:26
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That shouldn't get party leadership excused from criticism, especially from below. Although this seems to be a rather controversial principle. Including in the thread.
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Sep 18, 2018 12:53
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Duterte calls himself a fascist and kills drug users, Xi and the Chinese government talk fondly of him and provide economic support and foster ties...the material conditions were dialectically foisted upon them...their hands were tied
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Sep 18, 2018 17:27
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Yeah they should do regime change instead.
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Sep 18, 2018 17:37
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. 
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Sep 18, 2018 18:09
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. People’s war
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Sep 18, 2018 18:33
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I mean, that is the ultimate point in marxism, right? If the CCP decides to follow orthodoxy and socialise capital, wonderful. But what if they don't?
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Sep 18, 2018 18:57
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Trust the process
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Sep 18, 2018 18:58
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. agreed
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Sep 18, 2018 19:07
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can they change America's regime next?
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Sep 18, 2018 19:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. Unironically bring Soviet foreign policy back
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Sep 18, 2018 19:18
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. I love that criticizing China's ties with a government that is actively fighting with the very same Maoists that I'm sure you've defended in the other thread automatically means I'm wanting regime change (with either China or the Philippines), and I'm sure the implication is that it would be done by evil U$ Amerikkkan imperialists. I seriously wish I could see the world in such a clear-cut black and white way as you. It must be easy having heroes and villains in your worldview that you can fervently defend or condemn as long as it doesn't conflict with your mess of politics.
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Sep 18, 2018 19:20
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I love that you guys freak the gently caress out every page
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Sep 18, 2018 19:20
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I love that you guys freak the gently caress out every page don't spoil it
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Sep 18, 2018 19:22
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Infernot posted:I love that criticizing China's ties with a government that is actively fighting with the very same Maoists that I'm sure you've defended in the other thread automatically means I'm wanting regime change (with either China or the Philippines), and I'm sure the implication is that it would be done by evil U$ Amerikkkan imperialists. I seriously wish I could see the world in such a clear-cut black and white way as you. It must be easy having heroes and villains in your worldview that you can fervently defend or condemn as long as it doesn't conflict with your mess of politics. sir this is a jack in the box
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Sep 18, 2018 19:37
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in conclusion, china is a land of contrasts
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Sep 18, 2018 19:38
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Infernot posted:I love that criticizing China's ties with a government that is actively fighting with the very same Maoists that I'm sure you've defended in the other thread automatically means I'm wanting regime change (with either China or the Philippines), and I'm sure the implication is that it would be done by evil U$ Amerikkkan imperialists. I seriously wish I could see the world in such a clear-cut black and white way as you. It must be easy having heroes and villains in your worldview that you can fervently defend or condemn as long as it doesn't conflict with your mess of politics. China's taking advantage of an opportunity to supplant American interests in one of the most important Pacific countries. The alternative here is that they're standoffish and condemning of a pariah state that will continue being isolated from the global community, but diplomatically alienating bad governments doesn't actually do anything positive. You mock the idea that material conditions have been foisted upon China, but they are literally compelled by the environment to seek positive relations with countries in their own backyard.
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Sep 18, 2018 19:43
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Infernot posted:I love that criticizing China's ties with a government that is actively fighting with the very same Maoists that I'm sure you've defended in the other thread automatically means I'm wanting regime change (with either China or the Philippines), and I'm sure the implication is that it would be done by evil U$ Amerikkkan imperialists. I seriously wish I could see the world in such a clear-cut black and white way as you. It must be easy having heroes and villains in your worldview that you can fervently defend or condemn as long as it doesn't conflict with your mess of politics. Nice meltdown
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Sep 18, 2018 20:21
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah they should do regime change instead. Making duterte align with the Communists to own the Communists
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Sep 18, 2018 20:22
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lmao
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Sep 18, 2018 20:34
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Jose posted:Making duterte align with the Communists to own the Communists Duterte’s fearless forecast: Reds ‘will be over’ by 2019 The communist rebels “will be over” by next year, President Rodrigo Duterte said on Tuesday, as he claimed that more rebels were now surrendering to the government. “I think, if God will have mercy, the CPP (Communist Party of the Philippines) will be over by second quarter of next year,” Duterte told soldiers at Camp Melchor F. Dela Cruz in Gamu, Isabela. The Chief Executive was in Isabela for a post-disaster meeting after typhoon “Ompong” (international name: Mangkhut) battered the province. Mr. Duterte in November last year terminated peace talks with the communists after the CPP and its armed wing, the New People’s Army (NPA), allegedly failed to reciprocate peace overtures from the President. But even with the absence of a peace negotiation, Duterte has called on the communist rebels to surrender as he offered them housing units and jobs. “This time they are coming down, [and they are surrendering their arms, and even their leaders are surrendering],” Duterte said in front of the military. The President, whose campaign promises include ending the decades-long armed struggle in the Philippines, has repeatedly said communism as well as terrorism have always hindered the growth of the country. “The development of our nation has always been hindered by insurgency and terrorism,” he noted. Duterte’s latest remarks about the communists came days after CPP founding chair Jose Maria Sison said Duterte could be ousted “anytime between now and middle of next year.” The President has recently accused the communists of conniving with the Magdalo Group – rebel soldiers who railed about anomalies in the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), and his political rivals to overthrow him.
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Sep 19, 2018 00:10
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That's a very cool and good communistic thing to do. Fund the right wing guy who is killing other communists, that is.
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Sep 19, 2018 00:58
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I mean poo poo it worked for cambodia
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Sep 19, 2018 06:01
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excellent journalist Julius Malema good
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Sep 19, 2018 07:47
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Kurnugia posted:I mean, that is the ultimate point in marxism, right? If the CCP decides to follow orthodoxy and socialise capital, wonderful. But what if they don't? capital is already socialized in china
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Sep 19, 2018 07:49
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Top City Homo posted:excellent journalist these are talking points from like 1967
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Sep 19, 2018 08:10
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Modest Mao posted:these are talking points from like 1967 still correct though! weird.
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Sep 19, 2018 08:17
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You think that's nuts, I've got some hot takes from 1848 that are still scorching.
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Sep 19, 2018 08:38
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China's getting owned in the trade war
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Sep 19, 2018 22:27
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 19, 2018 22:37
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lol china is not getting owned in the trade war CCP officials are saying they are "confused," something they wouldn't actually say openly if they were genuinely confused or worried.
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Sep 19, 2018 22:52
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The thing to keep in mind about the US-Chinese trade war, is that Trump has also been picking fights with all of our other trade partners on top of that while China maintains good relations with everyone else.
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Sep 19, 2018 23:48
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Question Friend posted:China's getting owned in the trade war KaptainKrunk posted:lol china is not getting owned in the trade war remember how trump said that americans were gonna win so much they were gonna get tired of winning weeeelllll
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Sep 19, 2018 23:49
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The thing to keep in mind about the US-Chinese trade war, is that Trump has also been picking fights with all of our other trade partners on top of that while China maintains good relations with everyone else. Trump is doing more to hurt American hegemony by alienating allies than Bernie could have accomplished
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Sep 20, 2018 00:18
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ART OF THE DEAL BABY *knocks porridge off of highchair*
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Sep 20, 2018 00:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:this is a no getting horny for cops zone Chinese cops are communist so it's okay.
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Sep 20, 2018 06:05
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