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Sampatrick posted:Can anybody explain why people play Mardu? All the data we have indicates that the deck is really bad but people play it anyway for some reason. Is GerryT just a really good spokesman for the deck? Especially among spikier people, I don't understand the infatuation at all. If you’re interested in playing a fair / grindy midrange deck it’s probably the best positioned choice if that’s what you’re into. There are many decision trees and play to the deck so spikier types get to feel extra smart while playing it. Matchups vs Uw / Jeskai Control, other midrange decks, and humans are good to decent. Falls apart vs big mana. Picks up free wins on the back of blood moon and ensnaring bridge. Probably will experience a drop off in popularity once assassin’s trophy is available.
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Is there any consensus yet on how many copies of Trophy people are going to be trying in Jund? Been playing straight GB recently and it seems like 4 copies is a lock there due to the Field of Ruin 'interaction'. I'm not sold on totally cutting Pulse from the Jund maindeck, as the utility against tokens can be pretty important as well as killing PWs through spell snare.
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Sep 18, 2018 23:55
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The Wicked Wall posted:Is there any consensus yet on how many copies of Trophy people are going to be trying in Jund? Been playing straight GB recently and it seems like 4 copies is a lock there due to the Field of Ruin 'interaction'. If you're talking Modern, I feel like it's a straight upgrade against almost every matchup. How many decks are there where you only want to blow up permanents with CMC under 3, and they have counters? Hitting Snapcaster/Clique in UW? How many counters does Death's Shadow run?
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Sep 19, 2018 00:48
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:If you're talking Modern, I feel like it's a straight upgrade against almost every matchup. How many decks are there where you only want to blow up permanents with CMC under 3, and they have counters? Hitting Snapcaster/Clique in UW? How many counters does Death's Shadow run? Spirits, Storm, and Burn are what come to my mind after like 20 seconds. Shadow runs Stubborn Denial, not sure if they run any other counters main. Still, this hitting Angler is definitely not nothing.
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Worth noting that against spirits, abrupt decay is only relevant against mausoleum wanderer. Spell queller is worded so that it can hit abrupt decay.
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The Wicked Wall posted:Is there any consensus yet on how many copies of Trophy people are going to be trying in Jund? Been playing straight GB recently and it seems like 4 copies is a lock there due to the Field of Ruin 'interaction'. I think you start with 4. You’re never gonna be upset to see the card in your hand.
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Rockin' Eldrazi 4 Birds of Paradise 4 Fatal Push 3 Inquisition of Kozilek 1 Thoughtseize 4 Assassin's Trophy 3 Liliana of the Veil 1 Liliana, the Last Hope 1 Maelstrom Pulse 4 Matter Reshaper 4 Reality Smasher 1 Scavenging Ooze 4 Tarmogoyf 4 Thought-Knot Seer 4 Eldrazi Temple 1 Forest 1 Hashep Oasis 3 Ifnir Deadlands 4 Llanowar Wastes 2 Overgrown Tomb 2 Swamp 1 Twilight Mire 4 Verdant Catacombs
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Sep 19, 2018 05:31
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This might be he spiciest take on spirits I have ever seen: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1335024#paper I’m the eidolon of rhetoric + fevered visions in the sideboard
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Mezzanon posted:This might be he spiciest take on spirits I have ever seen: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1335024#paper I saw that too and it's indeed muy picante. Another drat Spirits list with Vials though  What's up with the Exquisite Firecraft in the SB? A way to get rid of planeswalkers in UWx matchups?
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No idea. You may not have the two spells in the graveyard to trigger the uncounterable effect, especially since I have to assume you're siding out Helix in those matchups.
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Sep 19, 2018 12:22
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Your opponent dropping a turn 1 hollow one when you're on the draw is pretty depressing. Managed to only lose 2-1 since he had to mull to 5 in game 2.
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AlternateNu posted:Rockin' Eldrazi Your list? Could be an interesting take that's good against normal BG rock decks. Last night at modern at least two other people besides myself were talking about building BG midrange. Might be the big hotness at first when assassin's trophy comes out, so people will either be on board, or will do well to build a counter to it, like eldrazi decks. I still think UW control will be the top contender, just toss a spell snare into the main and side probably.
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Sep 19, 2018 13:49
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uninverted posted:Worth noting that against spirits, abrupt decay is only relevant against mausoleum wanderer. Spell queller is worded so that it can hit abrupt decay. It also lets them get an extra land, it's not like Burn is countering anything at all if you look at my list. It's also worse against Humans and Lantern. It's probably better than Abrupt Decay but the drawback is not irrelevant.
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I do think it will kill Tron though. It's a 4 of maindeck card that kills the lands and can take out an Ugin or Karn, and BGx midrange was one of Tron's best matchups.
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Tron was already on the downswing, I think a lot of people agree this will be a big nail in the coffin for it, at least for a while. Someone at modern night was trying to sell their tron deck last night. Had another 4-0 night with monowhite eldrazi last night. Played Hollow1 twice, storm, and tron. Storm is a joke with that deck, tron is a joke as well. Hollow One is risky but eldrazi displacer wins SO many games.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Your list? Could be an interesting take that's good against normal BG rock decks. Yeah. I first built it back when the deserts were hitting it big in standard. I was running Decays and Oath of Nissa instead of Trophy in the original version. I'm still debating running Oath over BoPs because card selection is good. But more turn two TKS is pretty sweet.
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I'm a stupidhead and think there's a combo possible with Lotleth Giant. It just probably involves Narcomoeba and Dread Return and probably only lives in Breakfast Burrito.
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Star Man posted:I'm a stupidhead and think there's a combo possible with Lotleth Giant. It just probably involves Narcomoeba and Dread Return and probably only lives in Breakfast Burrito. the labman kill is probably dead since you can't run probe anymore, so maybe you run it as your way around having to go to a combat step and keep Garna, the Bloodflame in as the "regular" kill
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So many thanks to C-Euro for the deck advice. I've tried to bodge together the cards for my GW token deck. Sadly fetches and shocks won't arrive in time for Saturday, and supply was limited for other things. Main: 4 Birds of Paradise 3 Path to Exile 3 Secure the Wastes 4 Raise the Alarm 4 Intangible Virtue 4 Call of the Conclave 4 Voice of Resurgence 3 Rootborn Defenses 3 Lingering Souls 1 Growing Ranks 2 Parallel Lives/Anointed Procession (I know these are poo poo but I love them. They'll go when I fill out the deck) 1 Advent of the Wurm (2 more will likely replace the enchantments) 1 Odric, Master Tactician 1 Elspeth Tirel 8 Forest 8 Plains 4 Sunpetal Grove 1 Westvale Abbey 1 Godless Shrine Sideboard (Hold on to your butts) 2 Rest in Peace 2 Scavenging Ooze 1  Damping Sphere4 Sundering Growth 3 Selesnya Charm 3 Pacifism Failing to make the cut but I'm not sure if I should throw some of these in: 2 Glare of Subdual 1 Selesnya Charm 1 Increasing Devotion! 1 Anointed Procession! Leylines of the Meek! Wayfaring Temples! Secure the Wastes Druid's Deliverance Vitu Ghazi Guildmages Rancors 2 Elspeth, Knight Errant Another Elspeth Tirel
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i mean if you already know you're playing a suboptimal version because your cards in the mail, absolutely throw those glare of subdual in there and live in the opposition dream failing that play that convoke overrun spell for the uninteractive matchups
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Working with what I have now. Bought some cards to get to this point. Not opposed to spending a few more bucks, but there isn't a load of modern here.
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Got shutdown by back to basics last week. Took out the underground seas and added a swamp and an island for this week. Hopefully it goes better.
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So the version of spirits with vial AND coco is just loving gas.
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Mezzanon posted:So the version of spirits with vial AND coco is just loving gas. Yeah. Seems weird to toss 3 vials into that deck but it just works. Tested it against BG with trophy last night and it feels favored towards spirits unless the BG opening hand has lots of discard. Kinda sucks not being able to block fliers at all.
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Sep 21, 2018 13:54
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Is it mixing Vials with Noble Hierarch? I hope not.
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Star Man posted:Is it mixing Vials with Noble Hierarch? I hope not. 3 vials, 4 hierarch, 4 coco. Vials and Hierarch together is historically a pretty decent thing though, so you have a decent number of 1 drops to use the vial effectively very early. Less lands and rattlechains than the original bant version iirc.
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Oh. I have watched Kat Light play with bith Vuals and Hierarchs and she kept running into problems of having too many of each. I understand why they're played together in Humans, but seems like overkill to have Collected Company, Noble Huerarch, and Aether Vial in the same deck.
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Star Man posted:Oh. I have watched Kat Light play with bith Vuals and Hierarchs and she kept running into problems of having too many of each. and yet it has top 4'd two GP's and won a GP in the last couple weeks.
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Mezzanon posted:and yet it has top 4'd two GP's and won a GP in the last couple weeks. 
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Ondrej played it to a top 4, PVDDR played it to a top 4 in the team event, Oliver Moon top 4'd with it, and Ondrej also won GP Stockholm with it.
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Mezzanon posted:Ondrej played it to a top 4, PVDDR played it to a top 4 in the team event, Oliver Moon top 4'd with it, and Ondrej also won GP Stockholm with it. I looked up the lists. Meanwhile, this Jeskai deck with Mantis Riders and Lightning Angels touches me in the right places. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=19273&d=322208&f=MO
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lol lightning angel Meanwhile that jeskai spirits deck posted a couple days ago seems pretty spicy. Don't know how I feel about no bolts and 4 boros charm instead though.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:lol lightning angel seems like the double strike ability can be big game since you're running significantly more creatures.
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Eidolon is cute but involves casting an RR card on turn two in your UW deck and I don't know if spirits is fast enough to do 6 damage to itself and then win the Eidolon race.
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vial is just one of those cards where you need to accept some amount of risk, because the upside of having one on turn 1 is just so impactful
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Voyager I posted:Eidolon is cute but involves casting an RR card on turn two in your UW deck and I don't know if spirits is fast enough to do 6 damage to itself and then win the Eidolon race. pretty sure the game plane is to play UW spirits and vial in that eidolon on T3. edit: in the jeskai spirits deck lol
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Fingers McLongDong posted:lol lightning angel don't @ me
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Star Man posted:Oh. I have watched Kat Light play with bith Vuals and Hierarchs and she kept running into problems of having too many of each.
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