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Did they imply that the missionaria protectiva had been embedded in the tleilaxu as well? Is that even possible if there are no women in their culture/race? Granted, the BG use men as agents but it does seem a bit of a stretch. Even a normal male would seem to stand out as they are presented as essentially a divergent species when they actually make FaceTime. Among the nigh-endless parade of absurd prequel goofiness was two dwarf tleilaxu disguising themselves one on top of the other under a large cloak.
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If memory serves the Tleilax aren't even really male. They deliberately picked "tiny dudes that look kind of pathetic" to make people underestimate them. They're so good at biotech that they can be whatever they want.
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Ratatozsk posted:Did they imply that the missionaria protectiva had been embedded in the tleilaxu as well? Is that even possible if there are no women in their culture/race? Granted, the BG use men as agents but it does seem a bit of a stretch. Even a normal male would seem to stand out as they are presented as essentially a divergent species when they actually make FaceTime. I don't think they implied that at all. The BG just recognized the signs of fanatical devotion to their esoteric religion and used that as a way to exploit their captive Masheikh. The Tleilaxu were essentially extinct and after tens of thousands of years of secrecy the BG finally had unfettered access to one who knows things. ToxicSlurpee posted:If memory serves the Tleilax aren't even really male. They deliberately picked "tiny dudes that look kind of pathetic" to make people underestimate them. They're so good at biotech that they can be whatever they want. The ruling caste is. The rest are sterile, except for the tanks. The existence of the tanks implies that they were never quite THAT good and let nature run its course where necessary. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Sep 16, 2018 |
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dis astranagant posted:The ruling caste is. The rest are sterile, except for the tanks. The existence of the tanks implies that they were never quite THAT good and let nature run its course where necessary. I read that more as practicality and a focus on biotech. The organs that make more humans already exist so why bother reinventing the wheel? Let's just make a few improvements... Ignoring that, you know, those organs were attached to people who might not want to be giant tanks who exist only to make stuff for a bunch of freaking weirdos.
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The tanks are a metaphor for ethics in video game journalism
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Doesn't Heretics also show Odrade trick them into revealing that they believe some kind of weird Zensufi islamobuddhism or did I make that up? I only remember two things from Heretics: 1. Miles Teg is introduced as some sort of ultimate badass but the story just forgets about him and nothing really comes of it. 2. Duncan ghola fucks this Honored Matre who tries to kill him with pussy muscle magic that can make men die of pleasure, except Duncan is the product of a breeding scheme to counteract unstoppable secret pussy muscle techniques and he turns the tables on her and pretty much enslaves her with his  and then they get married or fall in love et al. I dunno, it was pretty hot when I was 13, and I must've read that 2-page scene like 30 or 40 times so I guess I should feel embarrassed or something.
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Ratatozsk posted:Among the nigh-endless parade of absurd prequel goofiness was two dwarf tleilaxu disguising themselves one on top of the other under a large cloak. Can't blame the prequels for that one. It happens in Heretics.
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Edison was a dick posted:Can't blame the prequels for that one. It happens in Heretics. They were trying to sneak into that Honored Matre strip club.
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Dune is sounding like a sitcom.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dune is sounding like a sitcom. It definitely gets that way after Messiah, not that the original book is exactly devoid of loudly voiced evil plots and grandstanding.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dune is sounding like a sitcom. A picture of the Friends opening sequence except it says FREMEN and the couch is surrounded by sand
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So no one told you that your name's a killing word Muad'Dib Muad'Dib Muad'Dib Muad'Dib
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Replace traipsing in the fountain with ecstatically feeding the cast of TGIF in a deathstill.
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Poon... We can't stop here Duncan this is Harkonen country!
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Free Market Mambo posted:So no one told you that your name's a killing word Bill Murray Harkonen dude posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVIKr0W0g1s
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I watched the movie, it was pretty cool but I kinda feel like it would be utterly impossible to appreciate it without having read the book.
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ChairMaster posted:I watched the movie, it was pretty cool but I kinda feel like it would be utterly impossible to appreciate it without having read the book. Actually you'd appreciate the movie less if you'd read the book because the movie is rather terrible, if properly psychedelic and weird.
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I watched the movie without having any idea what Dune was and loved it.
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thatfatkid posted:I watched the movie without having any idea what Dune was and loved it. Yuck
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A goddamn masterpiece.
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Wow I ended up reading that in my head.like hieroglyphics...the sleeper awakens!
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That emoji tweet is the only proper justification for the existence of emojis or tweets. That emoji tweet just folded spacetime.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:That emoji tweet is the only proper justification for the existence of emojis or tweets.
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Tell me about the emojis of your home world, Kyle.
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My emoji is a killing word. 🐁
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I always found it odd how whatever mentat school/s there are don't seem to be relevant political entities compared to the various other transhuman training facilities.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:I always found it odd how whatever mentat school/s there are don't seem to be relevant political entities compared to the various other transhuman training facilities. Yeah it is a bit, given the extent of their developed capabilities, but Mohiam says flat out in the beginning of Dune that the two most prominent groups to emerge from the Jihad were the Guild and the BG. No mention of the Mentats, Sardaukar, Tleilaxu, Ixians, or any of the other groups mentioned throughout that have their own set of superhuman-level skills.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Yeah it is a bit, given the extent of their developed capabilities, but Mohiam says flat out in the beginning of Dune that the two most prominent groups to emerge from the Jihad were the Guild and the BG. No mention of the Mentats, Sardaukar, Tleilaxu, Ixians, or any of the other groups mentioned throughout that have their own set of superhuman-level skills. Sounds to me then like the Guild and BG came first, with all the other groups coming post-Jihad.
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I agree, though, as a kid reading that book, it did sound weird to me that the only two major schools' focuses were the Guild's "almost pure mathematics" and the BG's "politics." Like, really, those are the only two niches that superhuman training schools can have?
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You got your STEM and your liberal arts. What more do you want? Jeez.
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I kind of assumed that either the Guild trained mentats, or just everyone had schools.
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the bg and tleilaxu both have schools in the original dune, and it seems by Heretics that the BG more or less has a monopoly on that stuff, the guild is basically sidelined by the broken monopoly on space travel and the BG have consolidated power to such an extent that they can basically go where they please leading up to the arrival of the honored matres.
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dis astranagant posted:She tricked Scytale into thinking the BG believed it, too. i kept waiting for some double or triple trickery there but apparently the tleilaxu are just disappointingly easy to dupe
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