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I've been at the Help Desk for a week, this week we are doing a major roll out switching our email solutions to a cloud based host instead of running our own exchange servers. I think I'm done what's the quicker way out drug addiction or alcoholism?
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LochNessMonster posted:Sorta crossposting from the IT Cert thread. Has anyone taken the TOGAF exams recently? My employer wants me to get it. My employer sent me to TOGAF training and I left thinking that I would rather take a career step back than take one forward into a role where they took TOGAF seriously. I don't want to say it was a complete waste of a week, but it was maybe 15 minutes or 2 slides worth of useful information spread across a week's worth of jargon, buzzwords, and repetition.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:25
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Okay folks. Its your first day at your new developer gig. You are given admin right as part of your job as well as acceptable use policy. Do not... 1: Install nord vpn client 2: Install the tor browser Your first day turned into your last day.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:28
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Methanar posted:I just like Segways ok? We had like 12 of them at this place I worked. Got acquired, were forced to stop using them immediately. I sold them to a goon.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:29
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Sickening posted:Okay folks. Its your first day at your new developer gig. You are given admin right as part of your job as well as acceptable use policy. Do not... Yikes.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:31
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Did you really turn them back around on day 1?
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Sep 20, 2018 21:42
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I would, that poo poo is unacceptable on work equipment.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:44
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That feeling you get when you're checking on a firewall with a bad power supply and you reseat it and the whole thing reboots and you hope no one noticed but there are panicked emails waiting for you at your desk and you have to go down to 'check on the firewall's status' when you know good and well you caused it to reboot. Later I find a ticket from 3 months ago where they were complaining that the firewall reboots whenever you pull this power supply even though it's hot swappable and has 3 other perfectly good power supplies. I think I managed to successfully hide my shame.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:53
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Being absolutely the person who broke the thing, but acting like "oh gee I don't know what happened yeah let me look into that that's so strange" when you find out people noticed, is some kind of IT rite of passage. My most memorable was adding some hosts to a Hyper-V cluster. Not really a Hyper-V guy, like to think I'm a VMware guy, so I was a little out of my element. I add the hosts, it says something along the lines of "would you like to scan these hosts for compatibility (storage, network, etc)?" Sure, of course I would! ... Yeah that takes the entire cluster offline.
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Sep 20, 2018 21:56
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Taking something down by accident is going to happen once in a while. People will rib you about it but everyone knows people make mistakes. We would much rather you just immediately own up to it than waste everyone's time trying to figure out what happened. Nothing to be ashamed of in a healthy work culture as long as you're not breaking stuff all the time.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:00
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Sickening posted:Okay folks. Its your first day at your new developer gig. You are given admin right as part of your job as well as acceptable use policy. Do not... Hm nothing about this post says to not host your own porn server on company hardware
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Sep 20, 2018 22:03
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One time I RDPed into a prod server and patched it by mistake, thinking I was in the dev box. When I realized what I’d done I left it, thinking I’d reboot it later that night after production hours. But a patch broke a thing, and my remote access and patch activity was splattered all over logs all over the place. They went something like: $time : Agrikk has logged in $time+1 : Agrikk as started patching poo poo $time+2 : $ProdService has stopped working I wasn’t there for the call but apparently the on-call engineer from Rackspace who was hosting our stuff gleefully threw me straight under the bus, happy it wasn’t them for once. I got called in, we rebooted it, I said my mea culpas.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:04
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Breaking things is fine if you accept responsibility, act like an adult, fix it or help fix it, and learn from it. Everyone makes mistakes and they can even be a bonding experience. If you gently caress something up and don't do the above, I will wreck your poo poo.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:06
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Did you really turn them back around on day 1? Yes although more went into it than just that. He was questioned by infosec. He admitted to installing it because he didn't like to be spied upon and then gave this story about how he could use powershell to get past all security and bla bla bla. He basically did everything wrong in a single day. I don't give a poo poo how great your code is if you idolize the mr robot persona.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:10
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Sickening posted:Yes although more went into it than just that. For anyone not up to speed, any sentence structured as "I wouldn't do this bad thing because I am capable of this even worse thing" is not going to go as well as you hope it will. e: Why would I reboot a prod server during the day when, as a domain admin, I could simply delete every user and VM before anyone noticed any time I want? 
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Sep 20, 2018 22:14
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Krispy Wafer posted:That feeling you get when you're checking on a firewall with a bad power supply and you reseat it and the whole thing reboots and you hope no one noticed but there are panicked emails waiting for you at your desk and you have to go down to 'check on the firewall's status' when you know good and well you caused it to reboot. Or when your network doesn't have spanning tree configured so when your coworker accidentally connects an old Dell Powerconnect 2324 it becomes the root bridge, and the entire network starts collapsing in on itself so you sprint into the server room and rip that loving power cord out praying to god you don't have to sit through that meeting where this has to get explained to a parade of c-levels.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:23
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CLAM DOWN posted:Breaking things is fine if you accept responsibility, act like an adult, fix it or help fix it, and learn from it. Everyone makes mistakes and they can even be a bonding experience. internet tough guy mod, nice it's an oldie but a goodie
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Sep 20, 2018 22:25
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Sickening posted:Yes although more went into it than just that. “Not saying I will but I COULD steal thousands from the company and forge the books if I wanted to so really this infraction wasn’t even a big deal”
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Sep 20, 2018 22:32
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Sickening posted:Yes although more went into it than just that. In theory I don’t disagree with that premise. Work doesn’t really have the need to see what I am doing. As long as my work product(code in this case) is free of bugs or exploits I think the pendulum is a little too strongly swung towards employers being up in your poo poo. Now before you all freak out, in practice I agree with the firing because doing that day one is weird and sketch. But I’ve also had occasion to install tor(albeit as a security trainer for NGOs) and use vpns besides the officially blessed corporate one as part of my job. If the dude wanted that he should be freelance.
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Sep 20, 2018 22:33
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You can take the blame and show you're a responsible team player. Or you can double check and confirm the security camera's view of you was blocked by a cage and arrange for 2nd shift to replace the power supply, confident that it'll reboot when they hot swap it thereby destroying any evidence of your prior mistake. Also never try to hot swap anything again during business hours. CLAM DOWN posted:If you gently caress something up and don't do the above, I will wreck your poo poo. Dad?
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Sep 20, 2018 22:34
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So the two options I seem to have right now are: An MSP that is a 30-45 minute commute, where it seems like I can learn more and be more exposed to different kinds of tech, or An oil and gas company that is a 5-minute commute, servicing internal users, and more limited in scope. Let's assume the pay the same. I'm still only 3 years into an IT career, so I'm leaning towards the MSP where I can learn more. I know people rag on MSPs around here, though.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:08
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Oil and gas and then bounce back out after a year or two. Purely based on the commute, and possibly the opportunity to get involved in a couple of projects for the résumé.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:14
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A 5 minute commute? loving take it. I'm so jealous.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:19
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I agree with Thanks Ants. If you can avoid MSPs, avoid them. Also ~1 hour a day isn't nothing. [Edit: My commute is 10 minutes by bus or walk, who wants to touch me?]
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Sep 20, 2018 23:19
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I'd take a 20% pay cut for a 5 minute commute and my current commute is only about 30 minutes each way, which is pretty good for my area. Last job was 2 hours in a car every day.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:26
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freeasinbeer posted:In theory I don’t disagree with that premise. Work doesn’t really have the need to see what I am doing. As long as my work product(code in this case) is free of bugs or exploits I think the pendulum is a little too strongly swung towards employers being up in your poo poo. You are at work. We point cameras at you and record it. We monitor your web traffic, your emails, and your every day use of your computer. We do this so reactively we can be as informed as possible about poo poo. Punch your coworker in the face? We got it on camera. You just emailed your dick to your coworker? We can prove your coworkers complaint was the real deal. Once you install tools in attempt to circumvent those tools you are going to need a great story or else. We also have systems in place to track who is accessing those systems to double check on people and why. Log into a security camera system? You better log the exact reason why or you are going to tell a group of people your reasoning later. Access someone elses's email? The query better have a ticket attached to it for the justification or it might be your last day. Basically you have no privacy here but in the bathrooms and gyms. You do however have a reasonable expectation that your activity isn't going to be checked without a reasonable reason.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:27
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Shock of all shocks, the guy who thinks IT departments shouldn't exists also thinks he should be able to install TOR and vpn clients.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:29
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freeasinbeer posted:In theory I don’t disagree with that premise. Work doesn’t really have the need to see what I am doing. As long as my work product(code in this case) is free of bugs or exploits I think the pendulum is a little too strongly swung towards employers being up in your poo poo. You're using an actual work justification (you installing tor because you were a security trainer and I assume it was somehow related to training you were doing or research for said training) as your reasoning for thinking it's OK to install TOR/VPN to circumvent security policy at your place of employment. one of these things is not like the other.
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Sep 20, 2018 23:54
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Zapf Dingbat posted:So the two options I seem to have right now are: Take the oil and gas for sure.
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Sep 21, 2018 00:04
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MF_James posted:You're using an actual work justification (you installing tor because you were a security trainer and I assume it was somehow related to training you were doing or research for said training) as your reasoning for thinking it's OK to install TOR/VPN to circumvent security policy at your place of employment. Emphasize might of been a better word choice. I don’t disagree with his dismissal but I can comprehend why the new person did it. I think the pendulum has swung too hard towards no one can do anything bad if we lock down all their poo poo and inspect all net traffic, as a technological response to social issues or just plain old adherence to arbitrary authority. For example what if someone who posts here got fired for defamation for pointing out their employers ridiculous policy over sugary foods in the vending machine. Surely if the owner of the company caught wind of everyone making fun of him, he’d not hesitate to fire that employee. He’s already established he’s irrational about it.
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Sep 21, 2018 00:12
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I think maybe the first day is an opportunity to see what the lie of the land is regarding policies and how they are enforced etc. and not just decide to do whatever you want and then detail how much worse you could have made things if you wanted to. I browse SA quite openly at work, when I move jobs I'm going to give it a few weeks and see what the general attitude is to doing personal stuff on the work systems before I resume shitposting.
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Sep 21, 2018 00:19
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The Nastier Nate posted:If it was up to me we'd have 1 printer in the entire building outside my office so I can give everyone a disapproving glower every time they go to pick up their prints. I think you could implement Glower as a Service with an animated gif picture frame, and a mechanism to activate it based on motion near the printer.
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Sep 21, 2018 00:30
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freeasinbeer posted:Emphasize might of been a better word choice. I don’t disagree with his dismissal but I can comprehend why the new person did it.
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Sep 21, 2018 00:49
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Too Poetic posted:I've been at the Help Desk for a week, this week we are doing a major roll out switching our email solutions to a cloud based host instead of running our own exchange servers. I think I'm done what's the quicker way out drug addiction or alcoholism? Running your own mail server in 2018 is a bigger headache. Email deliverability will always be a problem. Hosted email is practically free from Microsoft when you figure in the cost of licensing your own exchange server.
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Sep 21, 2018 01:54
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We did the math and on site exchange is cheap as poo poo compared to 365. Runs in a vm and no issues ever.
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Sep 21, 2018 02:01
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GreenNight posted:exchange ... no issues ever. 
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Sep 21, 2018 02:22
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Yeah. We have a basically annual sales pitch from MS and even factoring in the costs of compute, prod storage, and backup storage, they have admitted they can’t get the price of Exchange online anywhere near on prem. Four VM’s running in a DAG hosting about 4,000 mailboxes on flash storage. We’re currently doing an evaluation to see if full O365 replacing our discrete Office licensing would help matters any. We have a very vanilla setup and aside from managin storage consumption and doing patching, we’ve never had any major issues.
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Sep 21, 2018 02:23
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Is there a slack for this thread?
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Sep 21, 2018 02:30
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18 Character Limit posted:I think you could implement Glower as a Service with an animated gif picture frame, and a mechanism to activate it based on motion near the printer.
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Matt Zerella posted:Is there a slack for this thread? Yeah. https://join.slack.com/t/somethinga...NTk2NmE5YzJmOTQ
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