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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

DoktorLoken posted:

:allears:

Because all that matters is the perspective of some line unit dudes who have never seen how the Army works above the battalion or brigade level. Everything just magically happens for them.

Bingo. Half the time line dudes, myself included wander in, yell about poo poo, and once we leave the logisticians translate it into “poo poo that actually works and is probably legal” and then get it done. Then line guys can pretend they got it done.

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ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

DoktorLoken posted:

:allears:

Because all that matters is the perspective of some line unit dudes who have never seen how the Army works above the battalion or brigade level. Everything just magically happens for them.

You speak some truth. I've seen it the other way. The best training I received (concerning my support MOS) was WHILE in a line unit. The good commanders recognized the need for support and acted accordingly.

I was shocked when I ended up in a strictly "support" unit. I went from senior guys that I could ask for help, advice, training, etc to guys that were blatantly fired for incompetence once people figured out their only skill was running fast.

BDE and DIV tended to "steal" the really good seniors to run their shops, we ended up with the short timers and rejects.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Oh yeah. You know why your S1 sucks and can't get anything done? You know why your S4 can't get equipment? Know why your S3 are barely literate? It's because all the good people got headhunted by higher.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Can confirm, and it's going to happen even more when IPPS-A rolls out to Active Army and the Reserve in 2020 because it's going to greatly expand the talent management piece. The days of manning missions just by grade and MOS are gonna dwindle because mob officers and commanders will be able to have dozens of criteria they can filter by.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

"Assaults most often occurred on training bases in the Army and Marine Corps. Both of the services were found to have installations where Rand estimated that in fiscal year 2014 there were more than 500 sexual assaults of men and women: Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, Fort Lewis, Fort Campbell, Fort Bliss, and Camp Lejeune."

America's best and brightest

Ashmole
Oct 5, 2008

This wish was granted by Former DILF
Between being an XO and a S4, I've worked with a lot of support MOSs. Mechanics are easily the least appreciated MOS. Those guys work non-stop.

I hated working with sustainment brigades or transportation units. I rarely could find anyone above an E6 working in their motorpool and offices. They treated their MOS like a business when you made a request. "Oh your request specified 3 containers moving here, not 4 containers. You have to resubmit your request and wait another 3 weeks'

Mr_Ruckus
Jul 8, 2008

I am convinced company command is preparing me for when my kid(s) are 12.

Triggs
Nov 23, 2005

Tango Down!
Even 12 year olds have more sense sometimes.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Retardog posted:

"Assaults most often occurred on training bases in the Army and Marine Corps. Both of the services were found to have installations where Rand estimated that in fiscal year 2014 there were more than 500 sexual assaults of men and women: Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, Fort Lewis, Fort Campbell, Fort Bliss, and Camp Lejeune."

America's best and brightest



How did they define sexual assault?

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

From Volume 1 of that study:

Sexual Assault of American Civilians and Military Service Members

DoD Directive 6495.01 defines sexual assault, consistent with Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Article 120, as “intentional sexual contact characterized by use of force, threats, intimidation, or abuse of authority or when the victim does not or cannot consent. Sexual assault includes rape, forcible sodomy (oral or anal sex), and other unwanted sexual contact that is aggravated, abusive, or wrongful (including unwanted and inappropriate sexual contact), or attempts to commit these acts” (DoD, 2013b, 2012).

To be clear, DoD defines consent to include “words or overt acts indicating a freely given agreement to the sexual conduct at issue by a competent person,” and consent cannot be satisfied if the person is “sleeping or incapacitated, such as due to age, alcohol or drugs, or mental incapacity” (DoD, 2013b, 2012). These definitions are consistent with most U.S. state statutes on sexual assault, the majority of which include both penetrative and non-penetrative sexual contact crimes, offender behaviors beyond physical force such as threats and intimidation, and inclusion of situations in which the victim is not legally capable of providing consent (Tracy et al., 2012).

Ashmole
Oct 5, 2008

This wish was granted by Former DILF
What the gently caress is futures command? I can find no information about it. My branch manager doesn't know either. I wouldn't mind being in Austin post-command.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

There was a big article about in the Army Times in our dayroom. Here it is.

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003

Wooo, Army gonna techbro it up.

Countdown until we get "Army... but on the blockchain!"

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

Loden Taylor posted:

Wooo, Army gonna techbro it up.

Countdown until we get "Army... but on the blockchain!"

I actually know an intel officer who said something similar about transfer of classified information.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Loden Taylor posted:

Wooo, Army gonna techbro it up.

Countdown until we get "Army... but on the blockchain!"

There's already too much kiddie porn in the SCIF

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Anyone have a recommendation on a good assault pack for use as a book bag in the school house environment? Apparently my Circa 2002 OD green Blackhawk is no longer acceptable.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Coyote brown Camelbak clamshell assault packs man, you can learn AND hydrate

They have velcro for your non-authorized patches also

maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 25, 2018

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Maxpedition makes really good bags. They're on the expensive side, but they will last you the rest of your life. I've had mine for more than a decade, and I've had 0 issues with it.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I like my Goruck GR1 but that poo poo was more expensive than what I think it's really worth. I was given it as a gift when it was on sale.

If you can get one of their regular backpacks on sale they're tough as gently caress, and don't make you look like a tool when you're out and about in the real world. And black is always AR 670-1 compliant.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

It’s a strange new world for me. Black was never authorized. Green or woodland camo only.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Greens not authorized anymore? The gently caress?

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

When's the last time you humped A.L.I.C.E.?!?!?!

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Please, I’m a married man

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
Honestly, 1996-1997

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

spacetoaster posted:

When's the last time you humped A.L.I.C.E.?!?!?!

2005ish I think?

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!


Thump! posted:

Please, I’m a married man

Geographic bachelor? Then you can hump anything in sight. What do you mean "If she finds out" She won't find out dude. Till it burns when she pees...

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

spacetoaster posted:

When's the last time you humped A.L.I.C.E.?!?!?!

Annual training this year because I was never reissued TA50 after returning my deployment poo poo (last year).

I was rocking my old ALICE pack, civilian sleeping bag, and a 90's single chin strap Kevlar. That poo poo felt so comfy since I have my pack dialed in.

Additionally, they made me sign for a new issue of TA50 in August (a month after AT) and return it September, because my 90 day window is during a dark month.

I can't wait to be free from this hell.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Wasabi the J posted:



I was rocking my old ALICE pack, civilian sleeping bag, and a 90's single chin strap Kevlar. That poo poo felt so comfy since I have my pack dialed in.


Did they think you were a Desert Storm Cosplayer?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Flikken posted:

Did they think you were a Desert Storm Cosplayer?

I think I still have a chocolate chip ruck cover

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


What did you guys replace ALICE with? Do you have those ones with lovely straps that pinch the nerves in your traps?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Flikken posted:

Did they think you were a Desert Storm Cosplayer?

I have more TIS than most of my unit, so they just figured that it was my first issue (it was, but only because they didn't take back my ruck).

I did basic with Alice hear in 2007.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

spacetoaster posted:

When's the last time you humped A.L.I.C.E.?!?!?!

2008

with an M60

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

EBB posted:

2008

with an M60

I miss my 60.... 91-93

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Our S6 has gotten his rear end chewed so many times during this month long field problem that I think he's having a mental breakdown, singing and cackling maniacally to himself in the middle of the night.

Kaliber
Jun 17, 2005

Wasabi the J posted:

I like my Goruck GR1 but that poo poo was more expensive than what I think it's really worth. I was given it as a gift when it was on sale.

If you can get one of their regular backpacks on sale they're tough as gently caress, and don't make you look like a tool when you're out and about in the real world. And black is always AR 670-1 compliant.


Holy poo poo, the GR1 is $400 now?! I paid only $200 for mine a year and a half ago! It's a nice bag, but not 400 dollars nice.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
They're trying to subsidize the cost of their events. It's insane how expensive they are though.

Kaliber
Jun 17, 2005

They lost money on their events? How much does it cost to make people do dumb military exercises?!

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Kaliber posted:

They lost money on their events? How much does it cost to make people do dumb military exercises?!

A dude got killed doing one in my town a few years ago. Hit by a car. I’d imagine the liability insurance went up a bit after that plus the inherent risk of exposing Crossfitters to opportunities to get hurt.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Flikken posted:

2005ish I think?

Same. I got out in 2006 and 3rd ID still didn’t have MOLLES. Or M4s lol.

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Ashmole
Oct 5, 2008

This wish was granted by Former DILF

Mustang posted:

Our S6 has gotten his rear end chewed so many times during this month long field problem that I think he's having a mental breakdown, singing and cackling maniacally to himself in the middle of the night.

WHY CAN NO ONE TALK

sir i told you we needed to secure retrans if you were going to push them pass the flot

I ASKED YOU A QUESTION

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