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Basically anything that seeks to thwart the creation of a people's revolution to destroy liberalism globally. Bruenig is pretty clearly a left opportunist and is a cul-de-sac of bourgeois "progressive values". His rhetoric serves capital in the end, because capital will adapt and contort to any demand that will keep its basic form and function in place, including poo poo like M4A and UBI. These are the "end goals" of a lot of the soft-left these days, with a complete blind spot for imperialism on a global scale, and people that reinforce those as places we can stop are doing active harm, imo anyway.
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*me, wrecking Medicare for All event* don’t you understand THEY are doing harm, not me!!
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ShriekingMarxist posted:Basically anything that seeks to thwart the creation of a people's revolution to destroy liberalism globally. Bruenig is pretty clearly a left opportunist and is a cul-de-sac of bourgeois "progressive values". His rhetoric serves capital in the end, because capital will adapt and contort to any demand that will keep its basic form and function in place, including poo poo like M4A and UBI. These are the "end goals" of a lot of the soft-left these days, with a complete blind spot for imperialism on a global scale, and people that reinforce those as places we can stop are doing active harm, imo anyway. drat we must stop this matt breunig from seizing absolute power then
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I didn't say he had any power, I just said he's a left opportunist
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ShriekingMarxist posted:I didn't say he had any power, I just said he's a left opportunist
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*blows whistle* Let’s see what Krinkle says: https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/997265909545881605
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I'm not against M4A or trying to get it done in America, I'm against those as end goals (which Bruenig alludes to in his tweets), but if you wanna twist what I've said to start a socdem dunk sesh be my guest. Seems like a weird thread to do it in tho.
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GalacticAcid posted:*blows whistle* incremental gains are incompatible with my orthodox theory of workers revolution that never actually worked out in practice
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ShriekingMarxist posted:Basically anything that seeks to thwart the creation of a people's revolution to destroy liberalism globally. Bruenig is pretty clearly a left opportunist and is a cul-de-sac of bourgeois "progressive values". His rhetoric serves capital in the end, because capital will adapt and contort to any demand that will keep its basic form and function in place, including poo poo like M4A and UBI. These are the "end goals" of a lot of the soft-left these days, with a complete blind spot for imperialism on a global scale, and people that reinforce those as places we can stop are doing active harm, imo anyway. I think this is the twitter left caricature of him, he's been clear in his writings those aren't the end goals. he's providing a blueprint for separating capitalist class and the means of production, and not an all encompassing theory on doing a communism. he's a really big troll though, so people like to assume the worst about him Karl Barks fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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krinkle is underrated imo
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Slanderer posted:incremental gains are incompatible with my orthodox theory of workers revolution that never actually worked out in practice Thanks for the tips, Hillary.
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Slanderer posted:incremental gains are incompatible with my orthodox theory of workers revolution that never actually worked out in practice lmao if you can look at today's world and say the incremental gains of the last 100 years have worked out, most have been wiped out and the rest are on the chopping block
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i can't wait to be a useless piece of poo poo all year and implement all these reforms gently caress I'M FALLING DOWN ALL THESE CRISES......
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*me reading the posts* wow. look at this a cul de sac of progressive nothings. liberal opportunism disguised as socialist radicalism. imperialist apologism crafted t olull us into acceptance of neocolonial cul de sac reactionary thinkiings and ideologies. a knife in the back of liberation of the People through People's War. we must denounce these liberal social fascists and declare our complete and total solidarity with the anti-imperialist struggle of comrade pol pot. only when these posts and posters are driven into the sea will palestien be free. hasta la victoria siempre, muerte a la Soft Left.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:lmao if you can look at today's world and say the incremental gains of the last 100 years have worked out, most have been wiped out and the rest are on the chopping block be straight with me: are you an accelerationist? because if so, haha you're dumb as poo poo lol
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well wages have been stagnant for 50 years versus inflation, i work 60 hours a week at 3 side gigs to make ends meet, the mortgage crisis was the biggest wealth grab in history, i'll never own a home or retire, a rapist SCOTUS justice is going to shoot holes in Roe v Wade and leave its corpse next to the voting rights act, and we're starting an ethnic cleansing against the brown people, but THOSE GAINS BABY
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ShriekingMarxist posted:well wages have been stagnant for 50 years versus inflation, i work 60 hours a week at 3 side gigs to make ends meet, the mortgage crisis was the biggest wealth grab in history, i'll never own a home or retire, a rapist SCOTUS justice is going to shoot holes in Roe v Wade and leave its corpse next to the voting rights act, and we're starting an ethnic cleansing against the brown people, but THOSE GAINS BABY geohell
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Slanderer posted:be straight with me: are you an accelerationist? because if so, haha you're dumb as poo poo lol i'm not an accelerationist, I just want an actual movement with real political education that destroys the capitalist machine once and for all, because wobbling back and forth between fits of "prosperity" and inhuman austerity and purges for the next 300 years isn't an option when the oceans are rising as fast as they are
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*me talking down to working class folks* i know things have been rough for everyone, but hear me out: what if we could make your lives way worse in the short term wait why are you leaving
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Slanderer posted:be straight with me: are you an accelerationist? because if so, haha you're dumb as poo poo lol But, generally speaking, the Protective system in these days is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade. - Karl Marx
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Slanderer posted:*me talking down to working class folks* i know things have been rough for everyone, but hear me out: what if we could make your lives way worse in the short term And that man is President Donald J. Trump
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Slanderer posted:*me talking down to working class folks* i know things have been rough for everyone, but hear me out: what if we could make your lives way worse in the short term *me, with a rose pin on my lapel* hey vote this person in as dog catcher, if we get more demsocs into the government we might could get a vote on M4A to the table one day, it'll be horribly mangled by bureaucracy and special interests and go down in flames, but it won't matter because the eastern seaboard will be underwater in 2100 and/or your grandkids will see it repealed if it passes.
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Karl Barks posted:krinkle is underrated imo hk and hidingfromgoro were probably the biggest influences in my radicalization like eleven years ago
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:But, generally speaking, the Protective system in these days is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade. *people 100 years ago* the inherent contradictions of the current economic system are at a breaking point. late stage capitalism is upon us *people 50 years ago* the inherent contradictions of the current economic system are at a breaking point. late stage capitalism is upon us *people 5 years ago* the inherent contradictions of the current economic system are at a breaking point. late stage capitalism is upon us *people today* im gay (59,245 likes, 10,959 retweets)
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ShriekingMarxist posted:*me, with a rose pin on my lapel* hey vote this person in as dog catcher, if we get more demsocs into the government we might could get a vote on M4A to the table one day, it'll be horribly mangled by bureaucracy and special interests and go down in flames, but it won't matter because the eastern seaboard will be underwater in 2100 and/or your grandkids will see it repealed if it passes. what do you want us to do dude, i'll do it
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Slanderer posted:*people 100 years ago* the inherent contradictions of the current economic system are at a breaking point. late stage capitalism is upon us i guess what im saying is that marx was wrong about free trade's effects but right about the Jews
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wow, it's almost like capitalism is incredibly good at adapting to stay in control of the world and will make people's goals its own, and eventually its goals theirs and as long as you don't give a gently caress about the global nature of labor exploitation (like most demsocs) you can dust your hands after getting healthcare and UBI.
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Slanderer posted:*people 100 years ago* the inherent contradictions of the current economic system are at a breaking point. late stage capitalism is upon us You're not gonna reverse late stage capitalism by giving people healthcare or whatever. There's only one way to return profitability.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:*me, with a rose pin on my lapel* hey vote this person in as dog catcher, if we get more demsocs into the government we might could get a vote on M4A to the table one day, it'll be horribly mangled by bureaucracy and special interests and go down in flames, but it won't matter because the eastern seaboard will be underwater in 2100 and/or your grandkids will see it repealed if it passes. whats better is to remain irrelevant forever and achieve nothing and have no base of support or popular awareness when a genuine capitalist crisis emerges
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appropriate praxis now is: go to bed it’s late Peace
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ShriekingMarxist is making a very simple and straightforward claim that social democracy isn't going to work and it's naive to think of that as the ultimate political horizon, which is basically true for all the reasons we've already gone over. That doesn't mean "don't do anything except organize swamp maoist cadres."
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idk if yall remember but until these rose emoji succdems showed up the american left consisted of 6 greybeards grumbling at each other in an empty classroom for about 80 years
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Karl Barks posted:what do you want us to do dude, i'll do it -Stop believing you can reform capital by using its own tools (the federal government) against it -Understand that global warming is an extinction-level threat that's at our doorstep and needs urgent address starting yesterday if we're to live past it -Act accordingly Obviously within the scope of your ability to do so, for some that's shitposting, great, but if that's it, at least call people like Matt Bruenig a fuckre when he's being a fuckre.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You're not gonna reverse late stage capitalism by giving people healthcare or whatever. There's only one way to return profitability. late stage capitalism, like fusion power, has always been 10 years away
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:ShriekingMarxist is making a very simple and straightforward claim that social democracy isn't going to work and it's naive to think of that as the ultimate political horizon, which is basically true for all the reasons we've already gone over. That doesn't mean "don't do anything except organize swamp maoist cadres." actually, this is wrong
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I'm being kinda cranky, and I still don't even have a problem with DSA (aside from that time they put a cop and a sexpest on their NPC lol), or organizing for M4A because for me those are places to do radicalizing, like Krinkle said. But they're not much more than that, and people overly invested into them, and taking control of the money/resources/labor of others to do that are some of the most flagrant climbers and opportunists. What is to be done? I'onno, post more.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:-Stop believing you can reform capital by using its own tools (the federal government) against it so what do you want to do, besides make posts that convince no one of anything?
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