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Hollismason posted:I'm sure the 44 sure means something but I can't remember what If you wanna go Eastern, 4 is the number of death.
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I think 44 is also Dale Earnhardt's car number if I'm remembering right
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Yall want a 17-minute spoken word backstory from Jeremiah Sand?
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Hollismason posted:I think 44 is also Dale Earnhardt's car number if I'm remembering right His car was 3 iirc
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Real dilemma with this one. I'm a big fan of Beyond the Black Rainbow. I want to see Mandy for the incredible vision of Panos Cosmatos, but I don't like revenge horror movies and gratuitous, graphic violence. Is the focus more on how gross the next kill is, or on trippy suspenseful vibes like BBR was?
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Sep 22, 2018 01:47
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like three quarters of the movie is just Red killing people in increasingly violent and improbable ways based on what you just said you probably will not enjoy it
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Real dilemma with this one. I'm a big fan of Beyond the Black Rainbow. I want to see Mandy for the incredible vision of Panos Cosmatos, but I don't like revenge horror movies and gratuitous, graphic violence. The latter. People focusing on the violent revenge aspects are selling you a movie you're not gonna get. It's probably better to think of this as the Only God Forgives to BTBR's Drive; it's darker, messier, nastier, and in some ways even more abstract, but it's very much in the same vein.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Real dilemma with this one. I'm a big fan of Beyond the Black Rainbow. I want to see Mandy for the incredible vision of Panos Cosmatos, but I don't like revenge horror movies and gratuitous, graphic violence. I hate revenge movies and I loved it. It's way more focused on setting the mood, and none of the kills felt uncomfortably gratuitous to me.
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Sep 22, 2018 02:07
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There's a good bit of gore for some of the kills but it's all over pretty quick and there's no weird torture porn stuff going on. It takes it's time getting to the revenge bit and it comes as kind of a relief because it's after like a straight hour of trippy dread and anxiety.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:The latter. People focusing on the violent revenge aspects are selling you a movie you're not gonna get. It's probably better to think of this as the Only God Forgives to BTBR's Drive; it's darker, messier, nastier, and in some ways even more abstract, but it's very much in the same vein. Yeah, the revenge part of the story is definitely the most memorable but it's preceded by an hour of acidic Lynchian torment.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Frankly "Ocarina of Crime" is better than the actual name When the guy blew it and the sound was painful like a dying animal i hoped he wouldnt use it again but uggggg he did. Great work by the sound guy This movie was incredible, the crazy-cool vibe reminds me of Fury Road
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Free Drinks posted:I hope you are going to a show, but not wearing that shirt. I wish I could be that guy but even with the additional openings it's still not playing in my area.
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I’ve really been enjoying In Voorhees We Trust with Gourley and Rust, and rewatching Friday the 13th movies, so it really pleased me that this took place in Crystal Lake and that Red was basically just becoming a kind of Jason right down to the strangely creative killing of weirdly aggressive bikers and lovely hippies.
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Hollismason posted:I'm sure the 44 sure means something but I can't remember what 44 is the number president that Barack Obama was. Red is Obama, who is going to get revenge on all of the various unseemly aspects of American conservatism (signaled at the beginning by Reagan speaking on the radio) for setting America (Mandy) on fire.
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Captain Magic posted:I’ve really been enjoying In Voorhees We Trust with Gourley and Rust, and rewatching Friday the 13th movies, so it really pleased me that this took place in Crystal Lake and that Red was basically just becoming a kind of Jason right down to the strangely creative killing of weirdly aggressive bikers and lovely hippies. Mandy gets sleeping-bagged too
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Real dilemma with this one. I'm a big fan of Beyond the Black Rainbow. I want to see Mandy for the incredible vision of Panos Cosmatos, but I don't like revenge horror movies and gratuitous, graphic violence. One way to look at it is if you remember the very ending of BtBR, the part with the drunks, take that and make it half the movie instead. With the people it happens to not being innocent drunks though. The second half isn't just wanton violence for the sake of showing fancy gore, it's deserved violence for the sake of showing fancy gore. There is quite a bit of graphic violence, but it is so extreme that it leads to cartoonish. Unlike a lot of films this could be compared to, this one isn't nearly as mean spirited. Obviously it's pretty bleak material, but it isn't total misanthropy. Edit: welwala harris posted:Mandy gets sleeping-bagged too 
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The theater where I saw this didn't show the Q&A but I found it on YouTube in case anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fxfB-I_LNU Nicolas Cage, Panos Cosmatos, Linus Roach, and Kevin Smith. Nic Cage knew he wanted to do Mandy after Panos Cosmatos told him a story about when he was a kid he enjoyed watching action figures' faces melt, hahahaha holy poo poo e: There's also this one with Elijah Wood and a few other producers of the movie with Nic Cage and loving Vince Neil of Motley Crue joining later on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdlFSJhv1Sk Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Sep 22, 2018 07:36
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welwala harris posted:Mandy gets sleeping-bagged too In fact, there’s a nearly identical death in the opening of the reboot
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Coffee And Pie posted:In fact, there’s a nearly identical death in the opening of the reboot There’s also a sleeping bag murder in Prophecy (1979) too that is just as good. I think that would be a perfect movie for this director to remake: a chemically mutated 16 foot grizzly goes on a killing spree to get its cubs back and has to be killed by a scientist and Native American community who are also infected by the chemicals.
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A good way of putting this film is that (despite being shot digital) is that it is a 16mm film, given 16mm resources, yet carries itself like a 70mm epic, to the goal of presenting love letter to all of the 8mm and 16mm shlock of the 60's-80's. Also, did you guys know Cheddar Goblin has a twitter?
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I can't stop thinking about this film. At first I thought the first half was too long and too sludgey in pace but.. it's congealing in my memory (like how sometimes when you make soup, it gets better as it ages in the fridge). The farther I get from it, the more I love it. Saw it at the ONE theater showing it only three times this weekend in Louisville. Glad I did, the audience loved it.
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This movie is a live action Frazetta painting and I mean that in the best way.
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I liked this movie because it was interesting. Can't decide if it was good. Or really what was going on. There was a lot of red herrings. Spoilerish questions below. Was it on Earth? Was it made up? What the gently caress was going on with Mandy? Why did Cage build a sword? How much time took place? How did he not die from the original wound from the children of the new dawn? I think from the credits scene with the photos and the in-bed conversation with Mandy about his bad dream earlier in the film lean towards that none of it actually happened and Cage was a recovering LSD addict who kept falling back into horrible trips. Style wise it was great. I loved the LSD trip scenes. The faces blending together was a great touch. It was hard to tell Jeremiah and Mandy apart. I think that was probably important. Cage's range went from silly to serious. It was jarring sometimes. Like not understanding how to deliver the Erik Estrada line. I think I liked that aspect. What's your favorite planet?
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Am I mistaken or did Red spare the young female cultist his wrath? If so, why? She was complicit in all of it.
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Zwabu posted:Am I mistaken or did Red spare the young female cultist his wrath? If so, why? She was complicit in all of it. I think she was the only one not hootin and hollerin during the inciting incident.
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Zwabu posted:Am I mistaken or did Red spare the young female cultist his wrath? If so, why? She was complicit in all of it. She didn’t seem that complicit. She hated being in the cult, you could see it in her face. Her “demonstration of love” was a chance at escape. Red saw that.
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https://twitter.com/scrawfish/status/1040984544843722754
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Zwabu posted:Am I mistaken or did Red spare the young female cultist his wrath? If so, why? She was complicit in all of it. I got the feeling he rescued Mandy from a similar past, and the cultist girl reminded him of her.
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HumanDecency posted:a recovering LSD addict Lmbo
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I don't think she was a cultist but instead a similar victim like Mandy was.
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HumanDecency posted:I liked this movie because it was interesting. Can't decide if it was good. Or really what was going on. There was a lot of red herrings. More spoilers. The easy answer is that it's just magic realism. It isn't meant to be decidedly realistic. The answers to your questions are whatever ones make the film work best in your own head. Because of my own tastes I prefer the interpretation that the cult literally summoned demons because I think that's cool as hell. It's always easy to dismiss the explanation "it's all your own interpretation maaaannn", but I think that legitimately is what this is supposed to be. I'm sure Panos has his own view, since he spent years tooling with it, but I doubt he has a specific one for the viewers. This film really clicked with me and I've now seen it more times than is probably healthy. I managed to make it to Grand Rapids to see it at 6:30 but I decided to see it again at 9:30 because it was the only time I was going to see it in theaters so I might as well try it out twice. One really interesting thing to note was how the film ends. For most of it there is a low hum of some type going on because of the soundtrack, including as Red is driving away at the very end, but right when it cuts to the scrolling credits it goes utterly silent. I felt like that was a god drat amazing way to end this movie because it meant that just before the lights went back on to leave there was silence and while everyone was shuffling out you could hear every sound they made. It made leaving incredibly awkward and that was something that only came through the theater experience. Zwabu posted:Am I mistaken or did Red spare the young female cultist his wrath? If so, why? She was complicit in all of it. My reasoning is that out of all of them she was the one that had the least control over her own actions. When Jeremiah forces her to play Russian roulette she doesn't question it (well maybe a bit of hesitation, but she still does it). She also was the only one not celebrating as Mandy burned. Well, Jeremiah wasn't really celebrating but he clearly was into seeing her burn. The only part that sours me on Sister Lucy being fully innocent is that she holds Mandy down so that she could be drugged, which can be explained by her just following orders but it is one example of her actively harming someone. In the credits the Black Skulls are given names but I wonder what one is meant to be what. A couple are obvious. You don't need to be a film scholar to figure out who gently caress Pig was and I'm fairly certain that the one with the chinless mask would be Sis since it seemed like that one could be a woman and a actress does play Sis. That leaves Skratch and Scabs. The design I liked the most was the one with all of the bolts coming out of him because it made for a really cool silhouette. I was disappointed he was the first to go, but I'll forgive it since his body trashed the HELL out of Reds car. That was quite the flip for just hitting a dude. Free Drinks fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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But we know the Bikers weren't actual hell spawns because the black oracle - basically Morpheous - tells us that the bikers are just people who had bad LSD trips from Jeremiah's chemist. Still there is some hosed up explained stuff. So I guess anything is possible. Its just not referenced in the film outside of outlandish action.
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HumanDecency posted:But we know the Bikers weren't actual hell spawns because the black oracle - basically Morpheous - tells us that the bikers are just people who had bad LSD trips from Jeremiah's chemist. Doesn't he say that it was some kind of batshit super-acid that turned them into that, and not just regular acid?
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Yeah it's not just that they're on LSD they're on prototype experimental special LSD that made them permanently nuts.
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I mean both things are true, we are given the super acid explanation but the bikers are also summoned by blowing a horn and one of them pulls an arrow out of his neck without it bothering him. It's firmly within magical realism territory.
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Blast Fantasto posted:I mean both things are true, we are given the super acid explanation but the bikers are also summoned by blowing a horn and one of them pulls an arrow out of his neck without it bothering him. It's firmly within magical realism territory. While I don't want or need everything in movies explained, ai would have like either more or even less information about the demons. Make them a complete mystery OR make them hosed up people with more consistent rules, I guess. The LSD I assumed put them into a constant hallucinating state while also on PCP. Some people on angel dust can shrug off bullet wounds if it's less than a .357. Hell, the worst cases don't really register damage and either have to be killed or completely immobilized. The flute was very cool but, if they are not demons, it implies they are always a short ride away. It's a shame the knife with the eye never came up again.
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Blast Fantasto posted:I mean both things are true, we are given the super acid explanation but the bikers are also summoned by blowing a horn and one of them pulls an arrow out of his neck without it bothering him. It's firmly within magical realism territory. You mean the Ocarina of Crime.
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GoldenGun posted:You mean the Ocarina of Crime. Was anyone else upset that Brother Swan blew into it incorrectly? HumanDecency posted:But we know the Bikers weren't actual hell spawns because the black oracle - basically Morpheous - tells us that the bikers are just people who had bad LSD trips from Jeremiah's chemist. That makes the assumption that Caruthers is actually correct. And he could be. But he could be wrong. It's whatever. Another example of what happens being more on the supernatural side is the interactions with The Chemist. Red never says a word to him but The Chemist seems to know what he is thinking, acting as if he had spoken. This could be interpreted as The Chemist has obtained supernatural awareness of his surroundings and doesn't need spoken communication. Or it could just mean that either he or Red are so hosed up on drugs that we are presented with what they are seeing, not what actually happened.
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I love how the film keeps it ambiguous as to whether we're seeing this all through the eyes of Mandy in a magical realism sense or debating how much of it is a bad mutagenic acid trip. Way too many movies ruin themselves by overexplaining loving everything. Sometimes the Kafka approach of "he woke up as a bug" and leaving it for the audience to accept the gravitas of that works so much better and lets you enjoy the ride at a better pace.
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