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Ignite Memories posted:A lot of DMs will let you re-spec if you come up with a good story reason. Yeah we came to this conclusion when I discussed it with him, the only problem being I have no backstory or anything for from the character(which is obviously on me) so I'm just trucking along as Land at the moment. Wild Shape also just feels completely underwhelming.
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Maybe your druid becomes corrupted by some magical thingy/literally filled with cordyceps
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Sep 24, 2018 15:55
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Cephas posted:
Or this for an example in swordplay.
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Sep 24, 2018 15:57
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Show the DM this boxing clip and be like "this is a normal fighting technique"?
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I don't even require a good story reason. Just tell me you're not feeling it and I'll let you rebuild from the ground up.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:08
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gradenko_2000 posted:I don't even require a good story reason. Just tell me you're not feeling it and I'll let you rebuild from the ground up. Yeah the story is basically just for entertainment, because the alternative is just getting yourself killed and building from the ground up anyway if they wanted to bar your from altering your character.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:11
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I still like to come up with cute story retcons in those sorts of scenarios. "Juan Cutpurse laughs, pulling off his false ears to reveal that he has been a variant human all along!" hell, at the bare minimum there are funguses that'll just grow on you if you don't shower for a while
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Ignite Memories posted:If y'all want to financially support someone who isn't awful and play a great game, Strike author Jimbozig is a very cool goon who has a daughter going through chemo and i heartily encourage everyone to buy Strike Man Strike is even less playable than 5e that’s really saying something
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gradenko_2000 posted:I don't even require a good story reason. Just tell me you're not feeling it and I'll let you rebuild from the ground up.
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Arivia posted:Man Strike is even less playable than 5e that’s really saying something Strike did not have a consultant that dared the lead designer to disconnect someone else's vocal cords while comparing the use of feats to Nazi atrocities. In summary Jimbozig is a land of contrasts
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Sep 24, 2018 16:25
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gradenko_2000 posted:Strike did not have a consultant that dared the lead designer to disconnect someone else's vocal cords while comparing the use of feats to Nazi atrocities. Very true. I don’t like the game and he’s not a great poster, but he’s a much better person than Mearls/Pundit/Zak.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:29
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i ran 2 strike campaigns back to back with goons that both ended successfully. i'm all tactical-combatted out for now, but it is a drat good game if that's what you're into. it was hella fun designing fights and drawing maps, and i hope to do it again someday
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Sep 24, 2018 16:34
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I find it much much easier to run while still giving me the grid-combat that i crave for my cool miniatures. It's also kept the attention of casuals better than dnd has, so I can play with people that aren't normally willing to go in for tabletop rpgs. Sorry you had a bad time with it, though.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:37
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Are there any good ways for doing ffights on a grid in 5e by the way? DM in our pbp game has been trying to deal with this by only having single large enemies but it's really apparent how much this takes away from 5es system. Roll20 is a pain but is setup but I was curious if there's any lighter setups to use.
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PrinnySquadron posted:Yeah we came to this conclusion when I discussed it with him, the only problem being I have no backstory or anything for from the character(which is obviously on me) so I'm just trucking along as Land at the moment. With a Land druid Wild Shape is not really great for combat (although at low levels a wolf may not be bad because of advantage on attack rolls from Pack Tactics and the (low) chance to knock your enemy prone). I've been using mine for things like the advantage on hearing and smell related checks (for sentry and tracking duties) primarily, although being able to shift into a mouse or a squirrel can be useful for getting into places you're not supposed to be, and some basic shapes have darkvision, which is also good. How much your party needs/wants you to be doing some of the scouting and recon duties probably very much depends. Being able to spider climb up to places, resume human form, and drop down a rope and things like that is situationally great, but it does kind of depend on the campaign and setting you're in. One thing we did with my druid was shift into mouse form so another party member could bring him into a meeting he was supposed to go to alone. It was pretty unlikely anyone would notice a mouse in his pocket, and it gave just a little extra insurance in case things started to go sideways. If you want to kick rear end in animal form though, I think you basically gotta go Moon. As far as I can tell Land Circle is the way you're supposed to go if you want to specialize in spellcasting. You get some extra non-Druid spells (depending on what circle you picked and Natural Recovery is theoretically good, although it depends how many encounters a day your DM throws at you. If you're just doing the one big encounter day then you won't be getting a lot out of recovering some spell lots on short rests.
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The problem is Land is boring as gently caress and has nothing flavorful. It's like trading your subclass for a few more spells. I was so excited to play a swamp druid until I realized it had no cool swamp/decay type features, just more magic.
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Sep 24, 2018 17:23
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Arivia posted:I'm going to half agree with this. 5e isn't good for improvising, or homebrewing, or pretty much whatever. But the point about playing the game you have available is relevant. this is a very awe inspiring speech. I'm kinda young and compared to you guys who've been doing rpgs for god knows how long, I can understand the reception. some people might hate fate core while others hate pathfinder. it's all subjective. people might judge me, but i don't mind giving dnd 5e a shot and it's competitors a shot. though gming i'm gonna do dungeon world.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The problem is Land is boring as gently caress and has nothing flavorful. It's like trading your subclass for a few more spells.
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Fruity20 posted:this is a very awe inspiring speech. As someone who got into RPGs and started GMing via Dungeon World, I wholeheartedly support this. It can be a bit more stressful than the D&D approach of “ok add more monsters and follow this book”, but it makes you a much better GM.
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Pollyanna posted:As someone who got into RPGs and started GMing via Dungeon World, I wholeheartedly support this. It can be a bit more stressful than the D&D approach of “ok add more monsters and follow this book”, but it makes you a much better GM. Everyone who enjoys GMing should read the GMing section from Dungeon World. Even if they never run Dungeon World ever.
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Mendrian posted:Everyone who enjoys GMing should read the GMing section from Dungeon World. Even if they never run Dungeon World ever.
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evenworse username posted:With a Land druid Wild Shape is not really great for combat (although at low levels a wolf may not be bad because of advantage on attack rolls from Pack Tactics and the (low) chance to knock your enemy prone). I've been using mine for things like the advantage on hearing and smell related checks (for sentry and tracking duties) primarily, although being able to shift into a mouse or a squirrel can be useful for getting into places you're not supposed to be, and some basic shapes have darkvision, which is also good. I'm an elf, so i've got Darkvision covered, and we have a rogue with some kind of magic boots that let him climb up walls and poo poo so i've not needed to do the scouting. Some of the restrictions have felt kind of weird: A GM and another player were like "Just turn into a bird and scout" "I can't do that until, like, level 8" ... "Oh" The extra spells has been useful. I wasn't allowed Spores initially because "It's UA and so its overpowered" while I had the impression a lot of UA wasn't that good
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The culture that created 5e does matter. I know women who play a variety of games and are pretty happy with it. I also know women who want to play, but get hit with blatant misogyny to the point that they stop looking for groups. I don't know a single woman in the first group that plays 5e, and every single woman in the second group got pushed away from 5e games. I actually wouldn't mind jumping in a 5e group at some point, despite its flaws. Sometimes caster supremacy is fun! I just can't find a group that doesn't say things like "gay people don't exist in my games" Gharbad the Weak fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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Gharbad the Weak posted:The culture that created 5e does matter. Misogyny from players or from the game? Are you saying that the designer being a crummy guy created a crummy culture around the game that makes it toxic or that the toxicity is built into the system?
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Fruity20 posted:this is a very awe inspiring speech. Awesome! Go for it, have a great time, and have fun! And if you have questions don’t be afraid to ask here or in any other thread.
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poorlifedecision posted:Misogyny from players or from the game? Are you saying that the designer being a crummy guy created a crummy culture around the game that makes it toxic or that the toxicity is built into the system? It's not the game. It's the people involved. And I know good games (a lot of them! ) already exist. But I don't see the reality bad ones as often with other games. Could just be more exposure, though. 90 percent of anything is crap, etc etc
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Gharbad the Weak posted:The culture that created 5e does matter. god that honestly sucks. I hope the same doesn't happen to me.
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Cephas posted:
Just show him The Princess Bride fight scene at the top of the Cliffs of Insanity. Half of the fight is disengaging for better position. Alternatively, find better friends? (I can't talk, I stopped playing D&D with half my friends group because of poo poo like this, and play PbtA with the other half because they're a bunch of artists and creatives who can't be bothered with serious math.)
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Gharbad the Weak posted:The culture that created 5e does matter. Man the gaming community in your area sounds awful. Like nothing 5e does even makes sense for a community like that. (Other then being popular. Because if more people play one game, more bad people play that one game.)
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Farg posted:looked this up, hellyeah man thanks yeah it's a real strong spell for the slot even the designers have said its maybe a bit overpowered because it's fireball of course it has to be op yeah but I can't swing a mouse that's tied to my wrist so
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MonsterEnvy posted:Man the gaming community in your area sounds awful. The Texas/Seattle/Internet community, though I think including internet games as a bad experience may be cheating.
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Gharbad the Weak posted:The Texas/Seattle/Internet, though I think including internet games as a bad experience may be cheating. Guess I have just gotten lucky with internet games. (Worst I have had with random people from the internet is people that are super flaky.)
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Gharbad the Weak posted:It's not the game. It's the people involved. And I know good games (a lot of them! ) already exist. But I don't see the reality bad ones as often with other games. So like, the culture that created DnD 5e or the culture of tabletop rpgs and nerd poo poo in general?
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poorlifedecision posted:So like, the culture that created DnD 5e or the culture of tabletop rpgs and nerd poo poo in general? Nerd poo poo. 5e from most comments from the designers and the stuff in the books tries to be progressive, and has a lot of diversity. (For example Dragon Heist has a Female to Male Transgender Drow as a character.) The D&D team has a bunch of women and the lead rule designer Jeremy Crawfrod is gay. Mearls even went on a twitter rant about groups trying to exclude women from games, saying they had no place in the community. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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poorlifedecision posted:So like, the culture that created DnD 5e or the culture of tabletop rpgs and nerd poo poo in general? I know there are issues with the various communities at large (I hear Vampire courted neo-nazis???), but they've been persistently worse for 5e, with even other d&d versions being generally (but not totally) better.
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Gharbad the Weak posted:I know there are issues with the various communities at large (I hear Vampire courted neo-nazis???), but they've been persistently worse for 5e, with even other d&d versions being generally (but not totally) better. lol ok dude
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Gharbad the Weak posted:I know there are issues with the various communities at large (I hear Vampire courted neo-nazis???), but they've been persistently worse for 5e, with even other d&d versions being generally (but not totally) better. Ironic considering the efforts of being more progressive. It's poo poo like that makes me question humanity.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Nerd poo poo. 5e talks the talk, but doesn’t really walk the walk. There’s no actual efforts to make their games accessible and accepting of marginalized people. There’s just a bunch of tokenization. Actual efforts to be progressive would have diverse creators involved and not keep bashing their heads into lovely oppressive poo poo like all the racism that keeps cropping up in the adventures. Mearls saying poo poo on Twitter doesn’t mean poo poo. It’s ironic as hell since he acted to push women, trans people, etc out of the industry by palling around with Zak. 5e is not a progressive game. Stop pretending it is.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The problem is Land is boring as gently caress and has nothing flavorful. It's like trading your subclass for a few more spells. They could absolutely do more to flesh out each individual Land circle in terms of flavour, for sure. Some of the circles are also considerably better than others in terms of the non-Druid spells they get to add as they level up, too. PrinnySquadron posted:I'm an elf, so i've got Darkvision covered, and we have a rogue with some kind of magic boots that let him climb up walls and poo poo so i've not needed to do the scouting. I gather that (nearly) at-will flight can make things hard for the DM, especially at low levels, so I guess that's why they made flying forms take so long to kick in. I mean if your DM is willing to waive that, though? It sounds like with your party comp it might be better to switch if your DM is cool with it. The main thing that I (and the other members of my party) have been noticing with my Land druid is that he sort of does a little of everything, which is a fun role if you don't mind being kind of a Swiss Army knife rather than a master of one specific thing. I am really looking forward to when I can start casting Haste on our fighter though.
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Arivia posted:5e talks the talk, but doesn’t really walk the walk. There’s no actual efforts to make their games accessible and accepting of marginalized people. There’s just a bunch of tokenization. Actual efforts to be progressive would have diverse creators involved and not keep bashing their heads into lovely oppressive poo poo like all the racism that keeps cropping up in the adventures. But it does have a diverse team. And the only adventure with potential racism is Tomb of Annihilation. Which I have not seen a single person get offended by, and it is pretty much universally well received. (The worst criticism racism wise I have seen it get. Is that it is a little blind to what some might consider issues.)
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MonsterEnvy posted:But it does have a diverse team. And the only adventure with potential racism is Tomb of Annihilation. Which I have not seen a single person get offended by, and it is pretty much universally well received. (The worst criticism racism wise I have seen it get. Is that it is a little blind to what some might consider issues.) Jesus Christ dude, this is not what you loving say in response to criticisms of representation in a product you like. This is why no one thinks you’re remotely non-biased about 5e. “Well I haven’t seen anyone be offended” is milquetoast oppressor poo poo and you can gently caress right off with it. There’s Roma stereotypes in Curse of Strahd. There’s Darkest Heart of Africa poo poo in Tomb of Annihilation. It exists, it’s bad, Wizards keeps doing it. Also go ahead and tell me who the diverse people are on the actual 5e design team. Not the contractors, not the support staff, the actual people who write the books and create the game.
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