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eating only apples posted:What's that? I'll mention it when the trigger's gone through. On a Benny topic, my first kill was an arena fight with just a single bop making him keel over. BUT in hilarious buggy news: If you talk to Benny in The Tops and leave, he'll flee, then you can go get him killed at the Fort and if you return to the Presidential Suite, the goons will go up to kill you and ghost Benny will talk through the intercom.
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I went with the Black Widow approach. Character hosed him and then murdered him in his sleep. Last romp he ever enjoyed and I had his Maria for a nice trophy afterwards.
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sniper4625 posted:I never made the Rawls connection, and I doff my hat with the rest at that ending. Yowza. Rawls? Is this related to the big weird philosophy influence/overarching metaphor going on across the span of Fallout NV?
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Discendo Vox posted:Rawls? Is this related to the big weird philosophy influence/overarching metaphor going on across the span of Fallout NV? Caesar surely isn't a huge fan of the veil of ignorance.
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Discendo Vox posted:Rawls? Is this related to the big weird philosophy influence/overarching metaphor going on across the span of Fallout NV? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjtz-w0Xouo Ave, true to Ba'mo.
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Sep 26, 2018 12:06
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Update tomorrow, and it's even gonna feature a special fan-made song made this summer!
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This is why you always opt for same-day delivery. Chapter 59: Sun Vulture and the Open House 
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Sep 27, 2018 16:53
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"...you’re just gonna show up with your army of newly-upgraded Securitrons and swing your big dick around, aren’t you? " Sun is my spirit animal. I couldn't help but grin like a Cheshire Cat when I read that line. ALL ABOARD THE "gently caress EVERYONE ELSE'S ENDING" TRAIN! CHOO CHOO!
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Sep 27, 2018 18:51
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House is just such an utter snot I can never make myself not kill him. "I don't like you" indeed
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Sep 27, 2018 19:02
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DeathChicken posted:House is just such an utter snot I can never make myself not kill him. "I don't like you" indeed When you've lived a life of outplaying and out-predicting everyone and everything, even the apocalypse, and have survived hundreds of years on your genius alone... you might get a little smug too!
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Sep 27, 2018 19:05
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"A Slave Obeys" for killing House with the golf club I love it.
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It's been a while since I killed House. Usually I just work for him cause like, gently caress it, you know? Who wants to do all that leadery poo poo anyway when you've got the whole wasteland to wander?
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That's a really cool music video. It's not obvious in the link that it's not normal NV music, though - if you hadn't mentioned that this update had a special song I would have skipped over the music link. Choosing a side in New Vegas is interesting because while one choice is obviously pretty dreadful the other ones all seem pretty reasonable.
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Sometimes I wonder if Rope Kid finds it gratifying that every few months the New Vegas thread has another go 'round where everyone yells at each other for 200 posts about which ending is the best before it gets quiet again.
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aniviron posted:Sometimes I wonder if Rope Kid finds it gratifying that every few months the New Vegas thread has another go 'round where everyone yells at each other for 200 posts about which ending is the best before it gets quiet again. Mark of good decision making if we can still have these arguments 8 years on I guess.
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I've always just worked for House, except for the one time I did a Legion playthrough. He's deffo the coolest cat on the block.
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Qrr posted:That's a really cool music video. It's not obvious in the link that it's not normal NV music, though - if you hadn't mentioned that this update had a special song I would have skipped over the music link. They all (except one) have their pros and cons. And the endstate is better or worse depending on what you did in the rest of the game. Theres no one undeniably good ending.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Mark of good decision making if we can still have these arguments 8 years on I guess. Even when the only thing these arguments can agree on is that the inevitable one guy who stans for the Legion is a dumbass.  I, for one, am surprised that Sun Vulture didn't keep House along for a little while more and play him off against the other sides. It'd be a short while before he calls for you to do The Bad Thing (Kill the Brotherhood, which obviously can't be done as it'll upset our good friend and fellow Fister Sister) and you could extract a few more caps from Andrew Ryan, Post-Apoc Edition. Then again, Vulture is positively swimming in caps right now and doesn't have anymore cybernetics to act as a caps-sink. 
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Yeah, even the best ending you can aim for has some negative consequences, which is still subjective to this day. As for why Sun didn't string House along... it's way more satisfying to piss off the NCR and Legion in the end. House is really just the lesser of the three (four?) evils. Still, he's lived long enough.
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LashLightning posted:Even when the only thing these arguments can agree on is that the inevitable one guy who stans for the Legion is a dumbass.
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MelvinBison posted:I'd argue having to shut down the Kings is a Worse Thing. Because, c'mon. You don't have to do that! I don't know how much we can or should discuss spoilers that will no longer be happening, but the spoilered thing is not a given. Unless you're referring to Sun going down the Meat of Champions route.
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I don't like House. He's too smug. As you've said, he's had time to work up to a good smugness level, but still. Jeez. It also doesn't ring very true that he'll get industry spinning again. Okay Elon, but what about the little guy? Is the wealth gonna trickle down, or what?
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I'm imagining House being either really tender filet mignon or the toughest, chewiest beef jerky you can imagine.
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He's been stewing in what's basically a bigass slow cooker for 200 years. Sun wont even need to chew.
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bony tony posted:I don't like House. He's too smug. As you've said, he's had time to work up to a good smugness level, but still. Jeez. this is the fallout universe, the little guy is a cog in the machine not an actual person who matters
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We had a discussion of this recently (and it gets argued periodically) in the main FONV games thread. I don't think there are any spoilers here, but if there are, let me know. I'll avoid going into any detail here, but House doesn't fit the metaphors the game uses very well for the rest of its content. House and his Securitrons aren't really a part of the whole "East meets West, reliving cold war" metaphor. Even if the situation and some parts of Vegas match a third world nation, what with the House is also much less trapped in the past compared with any of the other characters, factions, leaders, etc that are discussed in the game. The theme with every other character is letting go, forgetting/moving on from the tragedies of the past, avoiding making the same mistakes...and House is literally doing that, even if he's doing it by being a colossal dick. With the NCR or the Legion, we're given pretty explicit "these people are imitating Old World Ideas, and this is going to cause them to fail via XYZ." Though he was set up as a Wizard of Oz metaphor on one level, and Howard Hughes on another, he's also the House in Vegas, the thing that has rigged the game and can't fail. House is a futurist with a several-hundred year game plan, and is so cloistered that aside from Benny and the player character, he's pretty much got every angle covered. No one but the player even knows House's long term goals, so there's no one to tell you what's wrong with them. This is made even worse because House is, even taking his ego into account, written to be ridiculously, absurdly competent compared to literally everyone else in the game. Dude made his own billions from scratch, ran the company that made most robotics in the world, and computers in the world, predicted the apocalypse, shot down most of the nukes targeting the region, and tamed the apocalypse from his fainting couch. Elon Musk he is not. There was cut content for some sort of sidequest involving worming your way into House's security, and the process of getting to his isolation tank was originally going to be a vault-sized mini-dungeon unto itself. It's possible that if that material had been built out, we would have had a clearer sense of the problems and weaknesses of his ideology. As it stands, though, his weaknesses are a) he's got an ego the size of New Vegas, b) he's not literally omnipotent, just semi-omniscient, and c) he's lunch. Plot Reasons and planned, cut security make House trivial to kill for player characters in New Vegas, who are absurdly overpowered. In my first playthrough I accidentally killed House because I didn't realize the initial monitor leading to his room would permanently make everyone hostile! Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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Discendo Vox posted:We had a discussion of this recently (and it gets argued periodically) in the main FONV games thread. I don't think there are any spoilers here, but if there are, let me know. I'd personally say that House still represents some of what caused the old world to fail, in that it's sort of a blind faith in FREE ENTERPRISE solving everything. Because when you get right down to it, that's basically his plan. "I'll stimulate the economy, be completely hands off, and we'll be on Alpha Proxima before you know it!" Though personally one thing that always bugged me about FONV was how it makes an honest attempt to make the only vaguely democratic force/faction in the game seem as evil/ineffectual as possible. "Guess we gotta add some massacres and also make them incompetent at everything! And also have some wordy assholes go on and on about how flawed they are." On some level it feels like the game does the best it can to cheer for autocratic weirdos like House by making them absurd ubermenschen.
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A banner directed me here. Have y'all given Benny a footjob yet? Or is that in another game? I vote for doing that next.
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value-brand cereal posted:A banner directed me here. Have y'all given Benny a footjob yet? Or is that in another game? I vote for doing that next. Well he's sure to be pretty stiff by now...
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Well someone definitely nailed his feet already, pretty sure.
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Discendo Vox posted:Words about House. Those are some very fair points. House really is written more like a god than a human being, in more ways than just his hypercompetence. House is an incredibly static force in a dynamic world. You can't negotiate with him; I don't think there is ever a skill check in any of his dialogue trees. He has a game plan and he expects you to stick to it. You can't even fail him, since even if you refuse every single request he gives you, he'll just tell you that's how things are gonna be, and will wait patiently for you to come around. Even if you blow up his bunker under fortification hill, murder everyone on the strip and loot his casinos, he'll just grumble about the setback and proceed as planned. The only way to terminate his questline is by killing him, and even that is a huge dick move because he takes you into his confidence. You are literally the only thing capable of killing him short of a full military invasion of New Vegas. He is in a lot of ways closer to a patron god or magical destiny than an actual person, and I think that's what makes him so seductive compared to the fallible humans you spend the rest of the game around. PurpleXVI posted:I'd personally say that House still represents some of what caused the old world to fail, in that it's sort of a blind faith in FREE ENTERPRISE solving everything. Because when you get right down to it, that's basically his plan. "I'll stimulate the economy, be completely hands off, and we'll be on Alpha Proxima before you know it!" I think that's an unfair characterization. House is a technocrat, not a libertarian or free market capitalist. He pointedly says that he will restore Vegas and send humanity to space. He's stimulating the economy and then imposing massive taxes to fund his own fifty-year plan. PurpleXVI posted:Though personally one thing that always bugged me about FONV was how it makes an honest attempt to make the only vaguely democratic force/faction in the game seem as evil/ineffectual as possible. "Guess we gotta add some massacres and also make them incompetent at everything! And also have some wordy assholes go on and on about how flawed they are." On some level it feels like the game does the best it can to cheer for autocratic weirdos like House by making them absurd ubermenschen. What specifically about the NCR's represantion is unfair? It's made abundantly clear that they're only in the Mojave because the Legion is right across the Colorado river and they have neither the manpower nor the infrastructure to maintain a presence there. A largely military occupation with limited command structure that doesn't result in atrocities and operational failures would be a much more unrealistic portrayal.
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Well, there is the Chip Outta Luck barter check
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DeathChicken posted:Well, there is the Chip Outta Luck barter check He didn't laugh at that joke he deserves to die.
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House stops being a potential global power when you realize he could get thwarted by a lackey, a courier, or someone outside his radius of connectivity. The NCR and Legion at least have range and influence outside of a small strip of land. Edit: Also, yeah, there IS one barter check with House, but all it gives you is an extra 250 caps. Boo. ApeHawk fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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To be fair, House's plan does go awry. The only reason his plan comes close to working is because Benny's bullet missed by a few millimetres.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:What specifically about the NCR's represantion is unfair? It's made abundantly clear that they're only in the Mojave because the Legion is right across the Colorado river and they have neither the manpower nor the infrastructure to maintain a presence there. A largely military occupation with limited command structure that doesn't result in atrocities and operational failures would be a much more unrealistic portrayal. I'm not saying it's unfair, it's entirely true to the facts as presented in the game. What I'm saying is that it feels like the writers went that extra length to add a bunch of unpleasant facts to the only non-autocratic force in the game, while doing their best to hype up the Autocrats like House and Caesar and give them long lists of accomplishments and people chanting their glories, while the NCR basically only gets people(even on its own side) complaining about how it's unfair and mean and has TAXES, bloo bloo bloo, and they're all corrupt and etc. etc.. So from that angle, it definitely feels like the writers wanted to cheer for the autocrats and wanted you to see how cool and badass they were and the only proper hope for the future.
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Ceasar's Legion, noted non-unpleasant-facts-havers
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