Aupairs September: What's the bloody go with 'em?!

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MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Konomex posted:

I just can't get over how serious people make out the current date of Australia day to be when it's shifted around quite a bit, it's hardly a sacred date. I'm not sure it really even works as a 'beginning of modern Australia'. Why can't we celebrate Federation instead?

Because there is no war but culture war

# ? Sep 25, 2018 03:16

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 18:10

Chicken Parmigiana: Sep 12, 2007

Konomex posted:

I just can't get over how serious people make out the current date of Australia day to be when it's shifted around quite a bit, it's hardly a sacred date. I'm not sure it really even works as a 'beginning of modern Australia'. Why can't we celebrate Federation instead?

Federation is New Year�s Day already. But of course it�s nothing to do with the date, really � January 26th is something to put your foot down about to signal �gently caress the aboriginals, gently caress the whingeing lefties, white power, cricket and foobawh� etc. without actually saying it.

I mean you knew that already; we�re all just venting here. That�s OK.

Originally I was gonna say January 26th is �something arbitrary to put your foot down about,� but of course it�s not completely arbitrary � it really does symbolise white domination of Australia, it really is offensive to Indigenous Australians, and you really can say �Ah but oh um history, history books, hum hum education and dignity etc.� about it plausibly enough for most people to accept. It�s perfect; it�s a real gift for Morrison and his culture warrior ilk.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 03:42

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

just call the Jan 26 public holiday 'national chuck a sicky day' and have Australia day later in the year when there's a dearth of public holidays.

people will get behind another public holiday.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 03:58

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9qeX4gUeo

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:06

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

It's really NSW day.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:19

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Amoeba102 posted:

It's really NSW day.

Oh gently caress if that's the case then cancel it immediately

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:33

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

January 26th, official gently caress You NSW Day.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:44

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

There certainly are a lot of white people typing "Australia Day is for all Australians" in all caps today.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:45

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Anidav posted:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/companies/spyware-on-phone-fears-as-dutton-pushes-new-security-laws-20180924-p505oc.html

Peter Dutton wants spyware on your phone.

Lmao tgis happen dirrctly aftrr his failed coup. He couldnt count so now he wants to know what everybody is saying

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:50

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Lmao tgis happen dirrctly aftrr his failed coup. He couldnt count so now he wants to know what everybody is saying

He wants to see those whatsapp groups.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:58

Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

JBP posted:

There certainly are a lot of white people typing "Australia Day is for all Australians" in all caps today.

It�s okay to be white. So much so that I�m going to move a motion in the senate to say so. Also, I have brain damage.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 04:59

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

He wants to see those whatsapp groups.

100%. this wannabe dictator can't be gone soon enough

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:01

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Calling it Invasion Day does get some people straight on the back foot. I wonder if referring to it as NSW Day would have more impact in the other states.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:06

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Rugby League Day

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:08

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

I would like someone to directly ask Morrison how long he thinks humans have lived in Australia given he is part of a church who espouse young Earth creationism.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:10

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

I bet there's one whasapp group for the entire LNP and then there's a no spuds club which is where 95% of the actual communication happens.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:18

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

We interrupt this thread to give you an important Helen Razer update.

Last week she offered to give her book for free to anyone who emailed her. This week she's complaining that no-one emailed her.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:21

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Dude McAwesome posted:

It�s okay to be white. So much so that I�m going to move a motion in the senate to say so. Also, I have brain damage.

https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1044405370079272960

A white washing an Australian symbol. A metaphorical tweet.

Also the whole "It's ok to be white" gives me loving shits, nobody but the whiniest thinnest skinned whitest loving racists thinks anyone thinks it isn't.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:24

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Appending "Peter Dutton, kill yourself." to all txts sent and every contact in my phone

# ? Sep 25, 2018 05:45

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Zenithe posted:

I bet there's one whasapp group for the entire LNP and then there's a no spuds club which is where 95% of the actual communication happens.

Basically yeah

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:13

Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

https://twitter.com/squigglyrick/status/1044395277841387520?s=21

Anidav can you please post this article?

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:14

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

It is high time that asset-rich baby boomers started paying their way

Understandably, dying is something we don�t like to think about too much. And when you look at how we pay for aged care, it shows.

The torrent of public money sprayed at residential and home care providers � more than $18 billion this year and rising rapidly � isn�t sustainable without crushing increases in income tax on younger generations.

If those generations aren�t �resentful yet, just wait until the baby boomer generation � the richest in history � starts turning 80 en masse across the next decade and costs go through the roof. The share of the population aged over 65 is poised to rise from about 15 per cent to 23 per cent, or nine million people, by 2054, �according to the intergenerational report.

It�s time to ask whether the 6 per cent share of aged-care costs users pay is fair. Taxpayers stump up the rest � including the �unlucky 7 per cent of today�s 25-year-olds who, statistics insist, will never reach �retirement age.

As the royal commission into financial services winds up this year, the inquiry into aged care will get under way. More examples of heartless profiteering from the vulnerable by another subsidised sector will emerge, providing an opportunity for far-reaching reform. The risk is sensible recommendations to �improve compet�ition and fairness are ignored for more futile regulation that makes the problems only worse.

It already has. A year ago former Finance Department secretary David Tune ran the ruler over the aged-care sector for the Coalition and found Labor�s 2013 �reforms had done little to make aged-care costs more sustainable.

�The most significant change is that the government�s contribution to care costs has dropped from 98 to 94 per cent of total cost, but this is a small shift,� he said. If you think that�s laughable, consider this: �Government�s share of the cost of accommodation has �reduced to 42 per cent under the new arrangements, compared with 43 per cent under the pre (July 1) 2014 arrangements.�

More than a year on from Tune, the �Coalition government hasn�t formally responded to the 38 recommendations, except for peremp�torily ruling out two of the most important: sticking the full value of the family home in the assets test, and uncapping the maximum �annual and lifetime fees aged-care businesses can charge.

Bizarrely, only the first $167,000 of the value of the home is included in the asset test for �receiving support for residential care. For home care packages, there�s no asset test at all. �Someone with a $900,000 home has significantly greater means than some�one whose home is worth $320,000, yet their contribution is the same because of the cap, all else being equal,� Tune�s �review stated. Indeed, why should homes worth millions be shielded? In a world where wages are sluggish and asset prices have soared courtesy of no one lifting a finger, it�s a morally and economically �absurd situation.

Even after a good decade in �retirement, the average net wealth of the over-75s is well over $1 million, �according to Australian Bureau of Statistics data, or about 55 per cent more than that for 35 to 44-year-old households, who have average net assets of $645,000. The net housing wealth alone of households aged 65 is more than $544,000, on average.

Forget statistics about older people living in poverty unless you think a single pensioner in a home worth $3m fits that description. �Incomes may be low for over-65s but home ownership is very high and rarely taken into account in assessments of means.

Because so much of the cost has been pushed on to taxpayers, the money has been ravaged by fees. �Typically for a $49,500 package for someone with high care needs, there will be a 20 per cent administration fee, then a 15 per cent case management fee, and then up to a 100 per cent margin on the cost of actual service, so in many cases well less than half of the package is actually spent on the cost of direct care services,� says Jeff Gilling, an aged-care consultant.

If families had a better idea of services and costs, such systemic rorting would be harder. The government�s website, myagedcare.gov.au, isn�t up to the job.

�In many instances social workers in hospitals are having to make phone calls facility by facility,� says Craig Swanger, whose business, Care360, has aimed to rectify the gap by evaluating the more than 2650 aged-care facilities on 58 criteria.

Politically, putting extra costs on the most politically powerful group in society, baby boomers, will be challenging. The May government in Britain found just how diabolic it was in 2016, proposing to require those with assets above �100,000 to contribute more to the cost of their care. Quickly labelled a �dementia tax� by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, the government dropped it. In a sense, he was right: it was �increasing costs for families whose relatives lived a long time, whether they had dementia or not.

The desire to pass on wealth to one�s children is understandable, but why should families without much wealth subsidise such �bequests? Or why should those who aren�t fortunate to live so long have to pay for those who do?

In fact, allowing family assets to contribute more to the cost of aged care in an era when living to 90 is common will probably be the 21st-century version of estate taxes, among the fairest and most �efficient form of taxation. Personally, I�d much rather put off paying tax until I�m old or dead and needed the money far less than I did.

Labor recently attacked the Coalition for a 2016 decision to slow funding growth for aged care, saving $1.6bn over a few years. They�ll both have to agree to far more than that unless they want to condemn everyone to penal rates of taxation.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/op...25755efe32aa136

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:17

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Suddenly baby boomers are all for full socialism

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:26

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Dude McAwesome posted:

https://twitter.com/squigglyrick/status/1044395277841387520?s=21

Anidav can you please post this article?

I'm not sure you understand how this works, the boomers get everything for free. The generations previous and after the boomers must foot the bill. This is a central issue in a democracy where the largest voting bloc wins. The only solution is to smooth out the population booms, we need to liquidate some... assets.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:32

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Anything making boomers "pay their way" is just going to lead to more intense elder abuse by their kids trying to preserve inheritance.

e: because their kids know that without inheritance cash they're more or less hosed.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:41

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Konomex posted:

I'm not sure you understand how this works, the boomers get everything for free. The generations previous and after the boomers must foot the bill. This is a central issue in a democracy where the largest voting bloc wins. The only solution is to smooth out the population booms, we need to liquidate some... assets.

I still like my strategy of age based vote weighting* - the older you get the less of a say you get because you aren't going to be around to suffer the consequences.

*Don't talk to me about practicality. I'm just an ideas guy

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:42

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

The world is run by old fucks catering to other old fucks and you wonder why conservatives are running mostly progressive populations

it's because the oldest motherfuckers have the loudest voice somehow, despite the fact that all the policy being put in place won't affect them in a decade

# ? Sep 25, 2018 06:54

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Just nationalise the aged care industry. We're already mostly paying for it, why are we letting lovely providers skim the difference?

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:09

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

hooman posted:

Just nationalise the aged care industry. We're already mostly paying for it, why are we letting lovely providers skim the difference?

something something bloated public service

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:22

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Just give the aged care industry to the great barrier reef foundation

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:25

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Anidav posted:

Just give the aged care industry to the great barrier reef foundation

Oops we spent all the money on "Administration"

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:29

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/kailamurnain/status/1044135012675706881

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:32

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/kailamurnain/status/1044135012675706881

I've seen so many versions of this exact same ad I don't understand how anyone can even give a gently caress any more since nothing will ever change and they like it like that.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:34

BrigadierSensible: Feb 16, 2012; I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

I have a feeling that whilst all this "it's OK to be white", "Keep Australia Day!" culture warrior bullshit isn't that much of a vote winner for ScoMo, as it is mainly preaching to the converted, to speak against it, or to point out how stupid, racist and out of touch it is would be a vote loser for Shorten. Coz a great deal of his voters are also conservative middle aged racist white people.

Hence he, and those on his side of the political divide, say nothing. Which normalizes the above sort of hateful racist rhetoric, which then drags the country further towards the right and towards the kind of "Australian Values(tm)" that they like to talk about so much that a 9 year old sitting down becomes a talking point in Parliament.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:37

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

Bold it all, tbh

quote:

The federal court has once again enforced the medical evacuation of dangerously ill asylum seekers and refugees from Nauru, ordering the home affairs minister, Peter Dutton, to transfer a family of three over the weekend.

The order, delivered by Justice Tom Thawley on Friday, also stipulated that they not be treated by anyone contracted by Australian Border Force or detention health provider IHMS.

It also addressed the long-held concerns of advocates and lawyers of sudden transfers back to Nauru, by ordering the department to give five business days� notice of any plan to do so to the family�s solicitor or, if no solicitor is registered, the family itself.

Thawley also ordered the minister to pay costs.

Guardian Australia has confirmed the family, which includes a mother, her minor-aged son, and her daughter-in law, arrived in Australia over the weekend and are receiving treatment.

The family have a long history of documented mental and physical health issues, including acts of self-harm. The mother has serious gynaecological problems and has attempted suicide on a number of occasions, including after the recent death of her eldest son on Nauru.

Medical reports noted she has no trust in IHMS.

One report evaluated her young son as �at high risk of suicide� and needing �intensive care in an inpatient child and adolescent psychiatric facility�.

�There is no inpatient child and adolescent psychiatric facility in Nauru; therefore he needs to be transferred to an adequate facility at the earliest opportunity.�

They had been residing in the supported restricted accomodation inside the detention facility.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/court-orders-peter-dutton-to-transfer-ill-family-of-three-from-nauru?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:40

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Business groups have warned Prime Minister Scott Morrison that any move to create a new public holiday to celebrate Indigenous Australia could cost the economy $3 billion.

Mr Morrison's hand-picked envoy on Indigenous affairs, Tony Abbott, has also offered a cool response to the Prime Minister's idea of a new national day, urging Australians to instead unite behind existing acknowledgments of Aboriginal history.

Fairfax Media understands Mr Morrison is not proposing a public holiday but wants a national conversation about a day marking Indigenous history that also preserves Australia Day. He made the suggestion while criticising Byron Shire Council for becoming the latest local government to stop holding citizenship ceremonies on the date that attracts annual debate over Australia's colonial legacy.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:42

froglet: Nov 12, 2009; You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

JBP posted:

Anything making boomers "pay their way" is just going to lead to more intense elder abuse by their kids trying to preserve inheritance.

e: because their kids know that without inheritance cash they're more or less hosed.

Well, we could do something so the kids are less hosed to the point they're not feeling inclined to punch granny for needing three incontinence pads instead of two.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:42

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

froglet posted:

Well, we could do something so the kids are less hosed to the point they're not feeling inclined to punch granny for needing three incontinence pads instead of two.

Lid posted:

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Business groups have warned Prime Minister Scott Morrison that any move to create a new public holiday to celebrate Indigenous Australia could cost the economy $3 billion.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:49

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

EDIT: d...d...d......doublepost

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:50

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 18:10

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Lid posted:

Mr Morrison's hand-picked envoy on Indigenous affairs, Tony Abbott, has also offered a cool response to the Prime Minister's idea of a new national day, urging Australians to instead unite behind existing acknowledgments of Aboriginal history.

Uncle Tony X

# ? Sep 25, 2018 07:51

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