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I cant remember if they went over this in the show but even if they did its worth repeating now The Baharuth Empire regularly wages war with E-Rantel (every year?) to force E-Rantel to pull people away from their farms to be soldiers, thus keeping E-Rantel in a weaker position by lowering what they can reap in the harvest. So yeah a majority of the people in the army Ainz massacred were just farmers and peasants. Poor innocent nobodies that never even had a chance.
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A number of those imperial knights trampled each other to death out as the line collapsed due to Ainz's dark young approaching and scaring the poo poo out of the mortals. Fun fact: everyone in the imperial army knows that Jircniv told Ainz to use his strongest spell, and they got THAT. Blackchamber posted:I cant remember if they went over this in the show but even if they did its worth repeating now The Baharuth Empire regularly wages war with E-Rantel (every year?) to force E-Rantel to pull people away from their farms to be soldiers, thus keeping E-Rantel in a weaker position by lowering what they can reap in the harvest. So yeah a majority of the people in the army Ainz massacred were just farmers and peasants. Poor innocent nobodies that never even had a chance. Normally both sides would parade around, intimidate each other, then mutually retreat, with the objective of pulling peasants away from the fields accomplished by the empire. Its why there were so many 'wars' with the empire, there was no actual fighting.
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Sep 26, 2018 02:59
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Captain Cappy posted:In what way has Nazarick's moves been careful or measured? The only change I see after the Shalltear fiasco is him handing out world items, which I didn't know the purpose of until someone mentioned it prevents getting world item'd yourself. He's no more cautious about anything than he was before and possibly even less so. If he was spooked he would stop being Momon, not send his guardians into the middle of an enemy empire to chat with an Emperor (the most likely place for there to be some world items), not cause a ruckus in the middle of a huge city for pretty much no reason, etc. In the anime I don't even remember him mentioning the mind control at all besides seeing Shalltear be upset she screwed up. It's a completely dropped plot point as far as I am concerned. The show omits almost all of Ainz's internal dialogue about things, but basically every time he approaches an unknown situation or opponent in the novel he muses about if it could have access to the kind of stuff that took Shalltear. Nazarick's moves are more careful and measured because they aren't off-the-cuff poo poo like Ainz rolling into Carne Village on a whim at the beginning. Nazarick only reveals its influence to the world as part of a pre-planned scheme cooked up by Demiurge or Albedo these days, and every time a Guardian is sent off on a solo mission they're sent with World Items and/or with immediate support(such as Solution with Sebas) to make sure that the mind control situation doesn't spring up again without Ainz being immediately aware of it. The Worker arc is a good example; that whole shebang was killing numerous birds with one stone, such as testing the capacity of Nazarick's defenses when they're not being fed with Yggdrasil gold, testing out the results of Hamsuke's training, testing if Ainz can gain experience still, and manufacturing a way to reveal Nazarick's strength to the world in order to test to see if that would smoke out the mind controllers or force their hand. Just to make sure that the Empire was at his mercy before he revealed himself, Ainz prematurely turned Fluder(the most powerful magic caster in the Empire and thus the most likely wielder of the world item that got Shalltear if it was there) to his side. By the time Aura and Mare showed up in the courtyard the Empire was already undermined and completely hosed before Jircniv even knew the name Nazarick. That's about a perfect example of how Nazarick is taking things a lot more professionally. Why would he stop being Momon? Momon is basically the safest alter-ego there is. The people of the Kingdom love him because he's a super awesome hero who has saved two cities from certain destruction, he's widely respected even outside of the Kingdom, and absolutely no one who isn't part of Nazarick's sphere of influence has any reason to link him to anything Nazarick-related. He's a perfect intelligence gathering tool, and Pandora's Actor means that Ainz can freely use the Momon persona even without his own personal presence.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:11
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FilthyImp posted:Demiurge's interpretation OF THE GREAT AND MASTERFUL AINZ'S BRILLIANT PLAN is kind of nutsy, but if you go and watch Ainz' actual reaction to Shalltear, he just pops a wish ring and a corresponding item that mitigates the costs to try and retrieve her. His failure freaks him out so much that he runs away and throws a tantrum. On top of that, floor guardians each carry a world item so they can counter further uses of world items. Shalltear getting mind controlled may not have done much to Nazarick materially but Ainz is now constantly paranoid of player-level threats or their leftover items getting used. He frequently leaves around bait (like leaving Nabe alone back in a city inn) in hopes that something on a comparable level will reveal itself.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:12
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Pharohman777 posted:A number of those imperial knights trampled each other to death out as the line collapsed due to Ainz's dark young approaching and scaring the poo poo out of the mortals. Pulling from the wiki on the Katze Plains (http://overlordmaruyama.wikia.com/wiki/Katze_Plains): "At the same time, a notable feature of this place is that due to high amount of casualties sustained by both sides every year in their annual war, the place has become a hot spot for undead creatures to spawn." Its not an all out war, but people are still getting killed, enough to provide material for the negative power that resides there and make undead spawn.
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Well, as someone who went into this episode blind(ish), that certainly explains the goat pictures. Loved it, and I loved Gazef and Ains' conversation at the end, too. Also, I've always been a huge fan of shows that play around with their openings/endings (delayed/omitted title drops, credits playing over scenes, playing more of/full theme songs in the episode, etc.). I can always count on Overlord to do one of those, and it gets me every single time.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:20
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Blackchamber posted:Pulling from the wiki on the Katze Plains (http://overlordmaruyama.wikia.com/wiki/Katze_Plains): Huh, yeah, I guess I was a bit mistaken. But both sides never intend to bring their full strength to bear in these conflicts, and Ainz just obliterated 1/3 of the enemy army, and used it to shatter the rest. The Dark young are as fast/faster than horses at full charge, and have immense reach with their tentacles.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:23
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the best part of this episode was the true sense of horror during the clapping scene. it was actually chilling, and felt very North Korea
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Sep 26, 2018 03:33
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Socks4Hands posted:the best part of this episode was the true sense of horror during the clapping scene. it was actually chilling, and felt very North Korea The animation would be a good gif.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:38
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Pharohman777 posted:Huh, yeah, I guess I was a bit mistaken. The casualties were much worse than that if you check that wiki link I put in the other post. Of the 260k (I think the show said 270 though?) about 180k were killed, thats more than just a third. E-Rantel is going to be in a bad bad way for a long time (although if you are a dude still living the odds just got in your favor on tinder). Nobody is going to messing with the Sorcerer Kingdom anytime soon, the Emperor can just give up on that idea right now.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:41
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Gazef is going to beat Ainz next episode and save the world.
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Socks4Hands posted:the best part of this episode was the true sense of horror during the clapping scene. it was actually chilling, and felt very North Korea The light novel is even better, because the imperal army is scared shitless and clapping out of terror, while ainz is happily thinking about his new high score in dark young summoning.
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I also thought it was a great touch that as the goat demon thing moved closer people got more enthusiastic with their cheering out of sheer terror. Finally being overcome with fear and bolting as it approached even closer.
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Blackchamber posted:Nobody is going to messing with the Sorcerer Kingdom anytime soon, the Emperor can just give up on that idea right now. It's kind of an impossible situation for all the humans involved, because on the one hand Ainz is basically an evil god who has just shown power beyond the wildest imaginations of every single person involved so resisting him is both suicidal and pointless, but on the other hand, as far as they know Ainz is an undead who is going to loving kill every living thing in the world if he's not stopped.
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Kanos posted:It's kind of an impossible situation for all the humans involved, because on the one hand Ainz is basically an evil god who has just shown power beyond the wildest imaginations of every single person involved so resisting him is both suicidal and pointless, but on the other hand, as far as they know Ainz is an undead who is going to loving kill every living thing in the world if he's not stopped. Which is why his next step is interesting to me.
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Sep 26, 2018 04:21
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Don't worry, every century when otherworldly powerful and evil beings descend upon this world, equally powerful champion of mankind also appears to challenge them. Why, we have one based in E-Rantel that can probably challenge this Ainz guy.
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Sep 26, 2018 04:27
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Even when this anime looks like poo poo it still oozes style. That applause scene was incredible and the slow credits sequence pan with climb, brain, and gazef my god
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For the bad CGI I hear madhouse had some last minute production fails and had to push the episode out, on the other hand most of the bad CGI was nameless fodder
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Sep 26, 2018 05:12
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The greater overlord community has a very specific name for this entire episode in the light novel. Splat It came about because Maruyama filled an entire page with just that word when describing the dark young trampling the kingdoms army constantly. Just Splat Splat Splat for an entire page worth of text. Its why there were splatoon jokes and such being made in the thread.
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Sep 26, 2018 07:03
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Battle at Splatz plains
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Plutonis posted:Gazef is going to beat Ainz next episode and save the world. ainz is going to tea bag his corpse.
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Is there precedent for anime episodes to get makeovers post-release? I feel like this episode was one step away from being release-worthy, as if the ubiquitous CGI were placeholders for what were supposed to be actual drawings.
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Bloody Pancreas posted:Is there precedent for anime episodes to get makeovers post-release? I feel like this episode was one step away from being release-worthy, as if the ubiquitous CGI were placeholders for what were supposed to be actual drawings. There's absolutely precedent for blu-rays to look quite a bit better, have altered scenes, etc. I've seen side be sides quite a bit of various anime with the blu-ray release being of a noticeably higher quality. That's more in the vein of prettier but very similar looking animation and color though, in terms of full-blown CGI changes... I don't see why it isn't possible especially as Overlord seems fairly popular, but no guarantees.
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Bloody Pancreas posted:Is there precedent for anime episodes to get makeovers post-release? I feel like this episode was one step away from being release-worthy, as if the ubiquitous CGI were placeholders for what were supposed to be actual drawings. There are some, for example, the movie version of season 1 got some redone scene (Ainz vs Hamsuke) so there's hope I guess.
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Sep 26, 2018 08:04
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Yeah, Toei stuff (Sailor Moon Crystal) absolutely got a redo since some of that broadcast poo poo was atrocious. CGI usually doesn't get touched, though. It's usually the other bits that get redone.
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Sep 26, 2018 08:10
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Does anything interesting happen in the stuff yet to be adapted or does it remain a boring power fantasy throughout?
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Don't watch Flesnok. Don't post either.
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Sep 26, 2018 08:16
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Tamba posted:What was the item Ainz used when casting? Someone else may know the specifics, but it's some kind of yggdrasil item or cash shop item from the game that instantly casts a super tier magic spell. He used one or two when he fought against Shalltear. Seems like normally using a big spell that can kill 70,000 people and summon up adorable killer baby goats has a long cast time. Looking forward to Ainz kicking rear end in the "duel" and then deciding to like, just take E-rantel and baffle the kingdom by not just demanding they surrender everything to him. Which of course will open up a channel for the Emperor to get the kingdom on board his world alliance against Ainz plan, that's my prediction at least.
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Ainz just gutted E-Rantel and his own army ran off scared of their 'ally', and the empire's trump card he's sure is in Ainz pocket. I don't think too many other people are going to try and get on board the Emperor's suicide mission.
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Pharohman777 posted:The Dark young are as fast/faster than horses at full charge, and have immense reach with their tentacles.
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Dark Young are a monster that's kinda hard to make look good in motion but very easy to make look good in static art, and that's been a problem for just about every attempt to include them in any animated format since Chaosium made them up. Hence why they're basically never used in Call of Cthulhu video games or end up extremely altered to avoid looking very silly.
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Poil posted:But they never used them. They just waved them around in the air while stepping on the soldiers who were fleeing. It looked so ineffective and kinda dumb. Although crushing them like ants was kinda fitting I suppose. They hit Gazef once with a tentacle.
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Poil posted:But they never used them. They just waved them around in the air while stepping on the soldiers who were fleeing. It looked so ineffective and kinda dumb. Although crushing them like ants was kinda fitting I suppose. They were using them on dudes if you look in the background.
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Okay, I've seen the episode now and I think an easy fix they could have done to make the effect work would be to make the sky purple and black. That would have driven the terror of the whole thing straight home and disguised most of the problems with the 3D models. They could have done something similar with the Carne village bit. I thought it would look a lot worse though.
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It's really too bad that Madhouse wasn't able to take their time and do this scene right. It turned out fine, but this has the potential to be such an amazing scene and it's just OK. Though I suppose that fits with the source material? Maybe it's just a really meta joke. I was surprised by the size of the dark young though. Someone quoted basically all the description they get above ( physical size related anyway ) and that compares them to bulldozers. Did I just miss the one line in the LN that says they are actually huge or did Madhouse make a choice? I totally get why you would make them castle-sized in a visual medium, as your bad CGI soldiers can be very small in any shot with the dark young in it, but I don't really remember that from the LNs. e: vvv - Huh, fair enough. linall fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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According to the wiki the LN says they are 10 meters tall.
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Does the LN ever address where summons come from? Are they just created out of the ether on command or are they actually coming from somewhere?
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