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Sep 26, 2018 17:27
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The artwork really sells 'orc PUA' imo
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Sep 26, 2018 17:32
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fool_of_sound posted:Real time with pause it atrocious and any Dev who uses it should be imprisoned for their crimes. I've enjoyed plenty of RTWP RPGs but I can't really say that any of them are *better* than they would be as turn-based games
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Sep 26, 2018 17:57
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dwarf74 posted:Well, you see, they had none other than Ryan "The Steve Jobs of MMO Marketing" Dancey on-board. How could they fail?! I wonder what the story behind PFO's approval was, if only because I want to hope there was more to it than Dancey really selling the beauty of a genuine, bona fide, electrified, six-car mmo.
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Sep 26, 2018 19:45
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I mean a big part of it is “we can crowdfund this and sequester the production in such a way that Paizo has no financial risk whatsoever” which is a pretty good deal
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Sep 26, 2018 20:09
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$85, huh? I know that has to be one of those "prices artificially inflated to prevent backer rioting", but that it still feels like a joke I missed the first two parts of.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:37
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Huh a circus was the first thing you saw after getting out of the starting dungeon in BG2.
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Sep 26, 2018 21:14
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Alien Rope Burn posted:$85, huh? That's the absurd edition. The normal game is $40.
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Sep 26, 2018 21:21
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I assumed it was from Australia or something along those lines.
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Sep 26, 2018 22:21
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It's 75 of my funny money which is uhh... 19 dollaridoos?
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Sep 26, 2018 22:32
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King of Solomon posted:That's the absurd edition. The normal game is $40. Still too much for an isometric RPG unless the graphics are like really good.
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Sep 26, 2018 22:35
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Kwyndig posted:Still too much for an isometric RPG unless the graphics are like really good. Not at all. Divinity and Pillars of Eternity are at the same price range. But this is a subjective thing.
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Sep 26, 2018 23:18
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Ah, gaming is finally acknowledging proud cuckolds 
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Sep 26, 2018 23:30
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Also having played both Divinity and Kingmaker, Divinity and Divinity II are objectively superior isometric rpgs. I have to question at least some of Kingmaker's more micromanagement intensive design, including charging as a toggleable ability and low initiative scores modeled by a lengthened cooldown prior to your first action. Also Pillars 2 is decent, but I can't help but feel that the most of what it offers is just 'fixing what made Pillars 1 less enjoyable.'
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Sep 26, 2018 23:35
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Original Sin made me want to give myself the Phinneas Gage treatment by the fifth loop of its merchants' dialogue.
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Sep 26, 2018 23:39
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The Crotch posted:Original Sin made me want to give myself the Phinneas Gage treatment by the fifth loop of its merchants' dialogue. "I'm the man with many cheeses!"
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Sep 26, 2018 23:40
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fool_of_sound posted:Real time with pause it atrocious and any Dev who uses it should be imprisoned for their crimes. 
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Sep 26, 2018 23:45
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Spiteski posted:"I'm the man with many cheeses!" It's "nobody has as many friends as the man with many cheeses" hth
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Sep 26, 2018 23:47
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Bedlamdan posted:Ah, gaming is finally acknowledging proud cuckolds I am fairly certain the game is not trying to make this guy out to be in the right, given that he is chaotic evil.
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Sep 26, 2018 23:48
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Also in Kingmaker, feats like cleave have to be used manually after you meet the conditions for activating them. So if a character meets the prerequisite for Cleave (killing an enemy), you have a small window in which the Cleave ability is now selectable and must be used on a nearby target manually. Which is pretty tedious and super micro-managey.MonsterEnvy posted:I am fairly certain the game is not trying to make this guy out to be in the right, given that he is chaotic evil. I'm fairly certain they're not even actually trying to make a commentary about cuckolding, actually.
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Sep 26, 2018 23:53
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okay so what other virtual tabletop actually works besides roll20
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Sep 26, 2018 23:57
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Bedlamdan posted:It's "nobody has as many friends as the man with many cheeses" hth It's been a while since I played it. That'll show me for not going back and checking. Edit: ^^^ Obligatory Fantasy Grounds plug. It's still my VTT of choice for most things, otherwise Discord + a dicerolling bot is pretty great.
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Sep 27, 2018 00:00
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gradenko_2000 posted:okay so what other virtual tabletop actually works besides roll20 Are you asking because of the reddit thing
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Sep 27, 2018 00:04
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Plutonis posted:Are you asking because of the reddit thing kinda sorta? My group already doesn't use their voice/video because it never works, so it's not like I was missing out on a lot besides the map and tokens
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Sep 27, 2018 00:07
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There's always Maptool!
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Sep 27, 2018 00:11
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What's wrong with Roll20?
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Sep 27, 2018 00:21
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also yeah I've been using maptools every week for like 5 years so it's definitely an option.
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Sep 27, 2018 00:21
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Roll20 is basically the only modern one without horrific technical problems
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Sep 27, 2018 00:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:okay so what other virtual tabletop actually works besides roll20 Maptool is pretty good if you know how to use it. Tons of customizability alg posted:Roll20 is basically the only modern one without horrific technical problems Fantasy Grounds and Maptool don't really have any horrific tech problems. They are just "Cost Money" in Fantasy Grounds' case and "Require some know-how" in Maptool's case.
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Sep 27, 2018 00:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:kinda sorta? My group already doesn't use their voice/video because it never works, so it's not like I was missing out on a lot besides the map and tokens Why would you care about the reddit thing? The dumb moderating decision on the roll20 subreddit doesn't affect you in any way, does it? It sure as hell doesn't for me.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:00
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Coolness Averted posted:Idk, how many of the old infinity engine games let you make your entire party and at the start of the game? It makes a lot of sense to limit you to mostly pregens, both to ensure some difficulty by limiting toolkit and also to make up for any lack of system mastery the player might lack (or counter their urge to build something optimal in tabletop that just doesn't work on the pc) As mentioned, nearly all of them...and also as mentioned, Pillars lets you do it out of the gate pretty much. Especially given the nature of the module it seems like a weird omission, if anything I'd expect the opposite from it. fool_of_sound posted:Real time with pause it atrocious and any Dev who uses it should be imprisoned for their crimes. True. Bedlamdan posted:charging as a toggleable ability and low initiative scores modeled by a lengthened cooldown prior to your first action. Bedlamdan posted:Also in Kingmaker, feats like cleave have to be used manually after you meet the conditions for activating them. So if a character meets the prerequisite for Cleave (killing an enemy), you have a small window in which the Cleave ability is now selectable and must be used on a nearby target manually. Which is pretty tedious and super micro-managey. This is somehow worse than I expected.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:03
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fool_of_sound posted:Why would you care about the reddit thing? The dumb moderating decision on the roll20 subreddit doesn't affect you in any way, does it? It sure as hell doesn't for me. I already conceded that the fact that roll20 works is a big bullet point, I was just wondering if there were any alternatives
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Sep 27, 2018 01:11
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fool_of_sound posted:Why would you care about the reddit thing? The dumb moderating decision on the roll20 subreddit doesn't affect you in any way, does it? It sure as hell doesn't for me.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:21
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Yawgmoth posted:What is this "reddit thing" you all are talking about? They banned some dude from the roll20 subreddit because they thought he was another formerly banned user. He sent them a message asking why, they said "you're this guy", he said "no I'm not" and asked to be unbanned, and it basically spiralled from there into a complete shitshow.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:24
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MonsterEnvy posted:Maptool is pretty good if you know how to use it. Tons of customizability I used maptool for several years before Roll20 came out. Lots of java/stack size problems, constant problems with fog of war/large assets, and you have to always be on the lookout for firewall/router changes. Roll20 is in a browser and works on almost any device, no troubleshooting required.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:24
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Yawgmoth posted:What is this "reddit thing" you all are talking about? One of the roll20 heads banned a dude, thinking he was a rereg of a guy who he had banned a year prior for a generally pretty reasonable criticism post. When the wrongly-banned guy appealed, he said 'nope better safe than sorry' and refused to unban him. The guy posts about this on the dnd reddit, and the roll20 reddit gets brigaded. A bunch of people get banned, then all the roll20 mods step down and implement community mods instead, and apologize, but the actual guy who caused the shitstorm is nowhere to be seen and posted something snarky and passive aggressive on twitter. It's all super loving dumb.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:25
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"I wonder if there are alternatives to this company's product" isn't exactly a silly thing to think when the company is run/owned by the sort of idiot who mishandles communicating with other idiots to the point where you get whatever this current shitshow is supposed to be.
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Sep 27, 2018 01:52
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AlphaDog posted:"I wonder if there are alternatives to this company's product" isn't exactly a silly thing to think when the company is run/owned by the sort of idiot who mishandles communicating with other idiots to the point where you get whatever this current shitshow is supposed to be. I don't really have any reason to care what a few dozen loudmouthed idiots on reddit think, regardless of what the guy did. It in no way impacts the actual service.
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AlphaDog posted:"I wonder if there are alternatives to this company's product" isn't exactly a silly thing to think when the company is run/owned by the sort of idiot who mishandles communicating with other idiots to the point where you get whatever this current shitshow is supposed to be. People have been banned from SA for stupider things. And yet we are all still here. And it's still a million times better than Reddit.
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