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whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit



hello hhptpd, long time no see. any of the old heads still hangin out here?

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MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

whoknew posted:

hello hhptpd, long time no see. any of the old heads still hangin out here?

I don't think this thread really sees much action, which makes me sad because I have been really getting into hip-hop production lately. Specifically been making sample-based beats and convinced a friend of mine to get back into rapping. I have been teaching myself production in Ableton for about 4 years now but just recently started making beats and experimenting with sampling.

Might as well share my setup. I have a Roland TR-8 Drum Machine that I use to sketch out quick percussion patterns, and the Scatter can make some pretty cool effects. I have also been running the TR-8 through a Boss OS-2 Overdrive/Distortion Pedal to get some really great distorted 808s. I have a Korg Minilogue Analog Synth that I run through a Bass Big Muff pedal to get some thick fuzzy basslines. I have been sampling records using an AT-LP120 and recording into Ableton. I then isolate a part of the Sample and Slice it to MIDI where I can then map the Slices directly to my Novation Launchpad and start editing/playing the slices. I also use a Yamaha keyboard as a MIDI controller for softsynths like Serum or Sampled Instruments like Strings or Grand Piano.

I have been mostly sampling older funk/soul/r&b records like Parliament, Isley Brothers, Patti Labelle, Anita Baker, and recently just made a beat using a Hall & Oates sample. It has been a lot of fun digging through old records and I have found a ton of great music that I otherwise would have never listened to. Anyone else producing hip hop or working with samples?

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Yep! I've been sketching and learning music production and synthesis in Ableton for the last decade, just a little bit every day, and have gigs of material I've generated through the practice, but have forced myself to learn producing on an MPC 2500 I got for a steal and fixed up. Still working through tutorials and I keep getting distracted by the sequencer and external gear, but it's helping me to move pretty effortlessly through sound and actually make music out of it. I find myself sampling sparkly bits I get from daily field recordings, drums synthesized from a Machinedrum I process through a Zoom multieffect pedal, and bass through a computer wavetable synth, but I'll probably get a Blofeld and run that so it I have a box for that. I'm always scrounging for pre, or minimal PC beatmaking videos and writings. I enjoyed this one El-P did where his DAW was mainly for arranging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q06UxOKc7io

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
I am getting to the point where I feel like I could really benefit from some personal instruction on production/mixing, specifically on drums. I can make interesting patterns using a variety of elements, but when everything else is added in, I just feel like they don't have enough punch. I have tried a lot of different techniques from transient shaping to compression to try to achieve the desired effect but either my ear isn't good enough to hear the subtleties at this point, or I don't really understand how to use the Compressor to get my desired effect. Or hell its probably a combination of the two.

JCW
Oct 22, 2008
coming out of retirement https://soundcloud.com/thejcw/blassie-21418-657-pm

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit




oh gently caress. it's JCW! That poo poo is great

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

Awesome vibes man. Mind sharing your production setup?

JCW
Oct 22, 2008

MrSargent posted:

Awesome vibes man. Mind sharing your production setup?

thank you! I use GarageBand for chopping and Reason for everything else. Actually just got a new computer so I jumped from Reason 5 to Reason 10. Whole new world. If u have any other questions just lmk

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

JCW posted:

thank you! I use GarageBand for chopping and Reason for everything else. Actually just got a new computer so I jumped from Reason 5 to Reason 10. Whole new world. If u have any other questions just lmk

Nice dude! I do all of my production in Ableton but have some hardware I like to mess around with (TR-8, Minilogue, Launchpad for playing samples). I was thinking about posting a couple loops I have been making with record samples even though they are pretty rough, just to get some feedback. Have a couple ones I really like using samples from Hall & Oates, Patti Labelle, and The Isley Brothers.

smoke sumthin bitch
Dec 14, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

dope

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
Here is a little clip of 16-bars of a track I have been writing lately. I sampled the intro to "Paradise" by Grover Washington Jr. and chopped it up to get the pattern you hear. I also sampled Kanye at a show yelling "Listen to the Kids Bro!" My good friend recorded the bassline and did a kickass job I think.

The inspiration for this track came from survivors of the recent Parkland shooting who have been using their voice to push for gun control. Seeing these 17 year old kids deliver clear, confident, and intelligent statements on the issues has given me some hope in this lovely time we find ourselves in.

This is the first hip-hop beat I have shared here so feedback is definitely appreciated! The volume will probably seem low since it isn't mixed/mastered at this point and is sitting at about -6-7dB on the Master for headroom.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iUDKasLrEH64gfiV5oSxHpxTVflfpmiX

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit



MrSargent posted:

Here is a little clip of 16-bars of a track I have been writing lately. I sampled the intro to "Paradise" by Grover Washington Jr. and chopped it up to get the pattern you hear. I also sampled Kanye at a show yelling "Listen to the Kids Bro!" My good friend recorded the bassline and did a kickass job I think.

The inspiration for this track came from survivors of the recent Parkland shooting who have been using their voice to push for gun control. Seeing these 17 year old kids deliver clear, confident, and intelligent statements on the issues has given me some hope in this lovely time we find ourselves in.

This is the first hip-hop beat I have shared here so feedback is definitely appreciated! The volume will probably seem low since it isn't mixed/mastered at this point and is sitting at about -6-7dB on the Master for headroom.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iUDKasLrEH64gfiV5oSxHpxTVflfpmiX

The bass line is sick af. I think you need a bit more to the opening, building up into dropping your sample and getting your listener excited to hear the full arrangement. That being said it's a sick sample. A++++++

Here's a thing I did recently that could be rapped over... sorta some retro revival bell biv devoe poo poo, also prolly good background music for fraggin noobs on the interwebs: https://soundcloud.com/packsee/chunked/s-m3xcU

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

whoknew posted:

The bass line is sick af. I think you need a bit more to the opening, building up into dropping your sample and getting your listener excited to hear the full arrangement. That being said it's a sick sample. A++++++

Here's a thing I did recently that could be rapped over... sorta some retro revival bell biv devoe poo poo, also prolly good background music for fraggin noobs on the interwebs: https://soundcloud.com/packsee/chunked/s-m3xcU

Thanks so much for the feedback dude! You are definitely right about the intro, I just threw that together really quick to give my rapper buddy a 4-bar lead in to the verse but was planning on making a real intro this week. I’m not in my studio right now but I’ll def take a listen to your track when I get back.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
Hey man, sorry I didn’t get a chance to really listen until now, but that beat is great. Drums are super punchy and come through great on lovely speakers. The synth lead is really cool but I think if you were to lay vocals over it, the lead would need to be dropped a few dB. I can’t listen in my studio right now so it might be my headphones or phone pumping up the highs but it just sounded a bit loud in relation.

Great work dude, I really dig the simple bassline you have that perfectly compliments the beat.

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit



MrSargent posted:

Hey man, sorry I didn’t get a chance to really listen until now, but that beat is great. Drums are super punchy and come through great on lovely speakers. The synth lead is really cool but I think if you were to lay vocals over it, the lead would need to be dropped a few dB. I can’t listen in my studio right now so it might be my headphones or phone pumping up the highs but it just sounded a bit loud in relation.

Great work dude, I really dig the simple bassline you have that perfectly compliments the beat.

Thanks man, appreciate the feedback! I agree, the lead is loud af right now and would need to be ducked during vocals... or to let literally anything else fit in the mix... lol

Carmant
Nov 23, 2015


Treadmill? What's that? Is that some kind of cake?


Is this cool:

https://clyp.it/kuy3orid

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
Hey y'all, if any of you are interested in doing found sound stuff I just started an ML contest for that sort of thing here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3854711

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit




yes


Trig Discipline posted:

Hey y'all, if any of you are interested in doing found sound stuff I just started an ML contest for that sort of thing here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3854711

nice imma see about it

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
I figured I would cross-post from the "Post Your SoundCloud" thread since this thread sees very little traffic as it is and it would be nice to see it pick up a bit. I started a Beat Series playlist on SoundCloud where I am uploading rough sketches of the sample-based beats I have been making. They all have varying degrees of mixing and no mastering at this point. Would definitely appreciate some feedback.

https://soundcloud.com/bradley-freeman-3/sets/bradwise-beat-series

zeldadude
Nov 24, 2004

OH SNAP!
hey guys, i was wondering if anyone knew if there was a word or genre name assigned to this style of hip hop. its like future bass inspired, head nodding, crazy with detail beats. future beats?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5LR61OhlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdmUsoemk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKnGnve6wEI
^that last one especially is just insane. the detail is craaaaazy

i know genres are dumb and whatever but i want more of this. is it kind of glitch hop influenced? is it something new that doesnt have a name? cheers!
while im at it here are some beats ive made lately

https://soundcloud.com/triggatrey413/rr-1
^^ butterfly in the skyyyyyyyy

https://soundcloud.com/triggatrey413/5-6-18a/s-ubAXi

typical trap beats i love making
https://soundcloud.com/triggatrey413/dope
https://soundcloud.com/triggatrey413/master-1

me trying to emulate zotti's sound
https://soundcloud.com/triggatrey413/new-6-2/s-7P2ii

well, thats my story and those are my garbage beats. thanks for reading

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


How do you start producing hip hop music? I've wanted to for years but I've been too lazy and I figure it's time to actually do it. Do I just pirate fl studio and watch youtube tutorials or is there a better way?

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

Tolkien minority posted:

How do you start producing hip hop music? I've wanted to for years but I've been too lazy and I figure it's time to actually do it. Do I just pirate fl studio and watch youtube tutorials or is there a better way?

What style of hip-hop are you going for? I make sample-based beats from vinyl which requires some extra hardware but isn’t needed if you are planning to make all-original music or sample from digital sources.

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


MrSargent posted:

What style of hip-hop are you going for? I make sample-based beats from vinyl which requires some extra hardware but isn’t needed if you are planning to make all-original music or sample from digital sources.

Honestly I just want to learn the basics, probably not physical sampling for awhile til I know what the hell im doing. I guess that means digital because it seems the easiest to learn

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Tolkien minority posted:

How do you start producing hip hop music? I've wanted to for years but I've been too lazy and I figure it's time to actually do it. Do I just pirate fl studio and watch youtube tutorials or is there a better way?

yeah just do that and dink around with drum samples and synths. if you want to chop up musical samples you can do it in edison or just cut audio clips up in the fl studio playlist. you can go to the file > helpers menu in the piano roll to set up highlighting on certain scales if you dont really know the basic scales. just youtube search something like 'fl studio hip hop beat tutorial' and i guess that will get you started for a start on some sort of workflow. use the help page that comes up when you hit f1(f11? i forget) for any questions you have about using whatever plugin.

set your pattern length to 4 bars or 16 beats or whatever, make a few patterns, then use the playlist to arrange your patterns. then you can start splitting up your drum and synths into patterns and lay them ontop of each other and poo poo.

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jul 8, 2018

Perpetual Hiatus
Oct 29, 2011

zeldadude posted:

hey guys, i was wondering if anyone knew if there was a word or genre name assigned to this style of hip hop. its like future bass inspired, head nodding, crazy with detail beats. future beats?

Everyone seems to have different names for this kind of stuff. Instead of giving you wrong information I would suggest looking at some tag clouds of people on youtube and bandcamp.
I'm not really in the loop especially now, these guys were pushing some interesting stuff for a while but are defunct. https://mad-hop.bandcamp.com/
These cats are solid with the compilations. This one in particular I reckon you would dig. https://uncomfortablebeats.bandcamp.com/album/cosmic-cake
#Disclosure. I'm on this particular release.

Perpetual Hiatus fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jul 8, 2018

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

Tolkien minority posted:

Honestly I just want to learn the basics, probably not physical sampling for awhile til I know what the hell im doing. I guess that means digital because it seems the easiest to learn

I should have been a bit more clear. Are you looking to use sampling as your primary method of making beats? Or are you interested in creating all-original music? It seems like you want to go the sampling route based on your response, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with sampling from .mp3's or any other digital format. Honestly, the only difference is the method by which you get the record/song into your software. Once it is in your software, the process for warping/chopping will be the same.

If you are going to pirate the software, I would recommend looking at a couple different DAWs to find the one that works best for you. I recently read Curtis King's book on hip-hop production and he has been very successful using FL Studio's slicing function to sample. I make my beats in Ableton Live, using a turntable/mixer to sample, and then using my Push2 controller to chop/tweak the samples. I really like the Ableton workflow and they recently upgraded their samplers to be much better for chopping/warping. But Ableton is much more expensive than FL for the full version if you decide to buy it. After getting the software, you will want to find a bunch of drum samples to use for your beats. You can find a lot of free sample packs online, which would be a good place to start.

In terms of hardware, my Push2 controller acts as the MPC in my setup. It has pads and knobs that I can use to play and edit each sample but I didn't always have this in my setup. The thing I found most limiting about my original setup when making beats was the lack of a physical controller to "play" the sample with. For me, trying to arrange sample clips with a mouse and keyboard was really uninspiring, but as soon as I got a controller, it clicked. I would definitely recommend getting a feel for the software first, but keep in mind that most producers making sampled beats will have some physical pads to play on. If you get to that point, feel free to message me with questions.

Oh, I have started putting some of my beats up on a SoundCloud playlist and I put the link below. Maybe check out some of the tracks and see if the style is close to what you are going for, and then feel free to ask me anything about the production.

https://soundcloud.com/bradley-freeman-3/sets/bradwise-beat-series

MrSargent fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jul 9, 2018

THNDRTHF
Apr 14, 2004

so much for
bein' optimistic
guys my new album is for sale / stream / download on your favorite service

check out https://www.dollarsignsimple.com to purchase CDs, vinyl, merch, etc,

thanks to everyone i ever met in here doing rap aka whoknew harris the terrorist CHWOCKA etc

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit



THNDRTHF posted:

guys my new album is for sale / stream / download on your favorite service

check out https://www.dollarsignsimple.com to purchase CDs, vinyl, merch, etc,

thanks to everyone i ever met in here doing rap aka whoknew harris the terrorist CHWOCKA etc

everyone should listen to this cause its dope

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
Yah the album is great. I have it playing pretty regularly in my rotation, grabbed it when THNDR posted about it a while back.

Shovelbearer
Oct 11, 2003
Paragon of Lexicon
Haven't posted here in a while, but here's something different. I just got the PO-33 KO which is an $89 "toy" phrase sampler that is actually pretty dope if you can find one. Good lo-fi crunchiness and lets you manipulate stuff in a lot of ways. Here's the first thing I made dicking around with it. Shot with phone because it felt like the spirit of the thing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl3R24DlnS3/?taken-by=ldk47

Sadly, insta cuts it off in the middle of bar 8 :/

and now I will peep thndr's album

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Shovelbearer posted:

Haven't posted here in a while, but here's something different. I just got the PO-33 KO which is an $89 "toy" phrase sampler that is actually pretty dope if you can find one. Good lo-fi crunchiness and lets you manipulate stuff in a lot of ways. Here's the first thing I made dicking around with it. Shot with phone because it felt like the spirit of the thing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl3R24DlnS3/?taken-by=ldk47

Sadly, insta cuts it off in the middle of bar 8 :/

and now I will peep thndr's album

This thing looks like fun. Can you have more than one sample mapped to the chromatic buttons? Or is it just one per pattern

Shovelbearer
Oct 11, 2003
Paragon of Lexicon

Tetramin posted:

This thing looks like fun. Can you have more than one sample mapped to the chromatic buttons? Or is it just one per pattern

So a quick rundown:
40 seconds of sample memory divided across up to 16 sound banks.
8 sound banks are melodic and 8 are drum/slice banks
4 note polyphony
Each individual bank is monophonic
So for the 8 melodic banks, it takes the sample and pitch-maps it out chromatically across the 16 pads (you can also pitch it up and down so you can get a decent range)
You can also record a longer sound into a melodic bank, copy it to a drum bank and it will automatically chop the original into 16 even steps. You can then adjust the trim on each pad.
Sequencing is 16-steps with bpm and swing params
You can also sequence the filter, volume and pitch settings for each step that you input into the sequencer.
And finally there are 15 different fx (and a "no effect" effect mostly for erasing poo poo you messed up) that apply to the entire loop, and you can record turning them off and on. You can hear where I applied some of the pitch-up, pitch-down and retrigger effects on this loop but I didn't really use any of the other ones on this.

So there's a ton of flexibility with just enough limitation to inspire some creative work patterns. Pretty incredible for $89, like I said the downside is finding one. I had mine ordered on Musician's Friend for 3 months before they got one.

edit: here's an actual line-out recording of the loop from the video:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4z6lefigoqucfbn/ldk%20-%20po33%20beat%201.mp3?dl=0

Shovelbearer fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 31, 2018

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
I added a few more beats to my SoundCloud playlist and would love some feedback from other hip-hop producers if any of you get a chance to check them out. Most are rough mixes and some are more complete than others.

https://soundcloud.com/bradley-freeman-3/sets/bradwise-beat-series

THNDRTHF
Apr 14, 2004

so much for
bein' optimistic
shameless self promotion

http://www.dollarsignsimple.com

buy a hoody or a cd or something plz thx u for listening

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


I've been getting a bit more serious about producing over the past month or so, would appreciate any feedback on the snippets I've been making https://soundcloud.com/sofuture/nieve

I'm pretty obsessed with whitearmor (which you can probably tell) and wheezy (which you probably can't). Rap music makes my brain tingle so good, I just want to contribute something of substance back.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I've been getting a bit more serious about producing over the past month or so, would appreciate any feedback on the snippets I've been making https://soundcloud.com/sofuture/nieve

I'm pretty obsessed with whitearmor (which you can probably tell) and wheezy (which you probably can't). Rap music makes my brain tingle so good, I just want to contribute something of substance back.

I checked out a bunch of your tracks and I really enjoyed them. There is something minimal about them that I really like but they don't feel thin or like they are missing anything. Your percussion work is pretty great and has a unique touch compared to other stuff I have listened to. It's hard to know what to make suggestions on when I don't know your intentions, but the only thing I thought could maybe use a little work was your kick drum. I think it could punch a little more but that might be an aesthetic choice and completely subjective.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


MrSargent posted:

I checked out a bunch of your tracks and I really enjoyed them. There is something minimal about them that I really like but they don't feel thin or like they are missing anything. Your percussion work is pretty great and has a unique touch compared to other stuff I have listened to. It's hard to know what to make suggestions on when I don't know your intentions, but the only thing I thought could maybe use a little work was your kick drum. I think it could punch a little more but that might be an aesthetic choice and completely subjective.

Thanks! I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing when it comes to the mix, but I'm piecing things together slooowly. Been trying to make a beat every day (ends up about every other day).

DJcyclopz
Feb 16, 2012
https://soundcloud.com/jryanmusic/venus

Check out my latest track^^

Feedback is hugely appreciated.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

jryan42988 posted:

https://soundcloud.com/jryanmusic/venus

Check out my latest track^^

Feedback is hugely appreciated.

I really like it, really cool trippy melody but it isn't so weird that you can't groove to it. While listening to the track, I think at some point I was waiting for a faster hihat pattern to come in. That might just be personal taste, but I thought it could help the rhythm variation a bit. I am also not too familiar with trip-hop and how it is generally mixed, but I think the kick could be a little louder in the mix, the melodies seem to overpower it a bit when they are all playing together. Again, this could be personal preference but you asked for feedback so I wanted to provide some. I really like the track and overall it sounds great.

I just uploaded a new beat I made as a kind of tribute to Pete Rock's style. Been listening to him a lot lately and wanted to pay homage to his genius. Let me know what you think!

https://soundcloud.com/bradley-freeman-3/a-nod-to-pete

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DJcyclopz
Feb 16, 2012

MrSargent posted:

I really like it, really cool trippy melody but it isn't so weird that you can't groove to it. While listening to the track, I think at some point I was waiting for a faster hihat pattern to come in. That might just be personal taste, but I thought it could help the rhythm variation a bit. I am also not too familiar with trip-hop and how it is generally mixed, but I think the kick could be a little louder in the mix, the melodies seem to overpower it a bit when they are all playing together. Again, this could be personal preference but you asked for feedback so I wanted to provide some. I really like the track and overall it sounds great.

I just uploaded a new beat I made as a kind of tribute to Pete Rock's style. Been listening to him a lot lately and wanted to pay homage to his genius. Let me know what you think!

https://soundcloud.com/bradley-freeman-3/a-nod-to-pete

Thanks for the feedback! I'll likely change a few things around and reupload.
I followed you and liked the Pete Rock style track you made. The drums on that sound great.

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