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Thanks. A very very good readquote:闯: You say that Xi isn’t a Bonapartist, and you’ve said before that you find the term “populism” misleading. There’s been a lot of discussion about the idea that the economic crisis has given rise to a global wave of “populist,” often xenophobic mass movements with ties to right-wing politicians such as Trump, Modi or Putin, and some observers put Xi in the same category. Do you think this idea is useful at all?
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Sep 27, 2018 20:45
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a) this is trotskyism b) not blocked in china!
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Sep 28, 2018 03:19
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Uphold Duxiu Thought unironically
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Sep 28, 2018 06:14
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R. Guyovich posted:a) this is trotskyism An actual trotskyist would designate China’s bureaucracy as either a higher caste of proletarians or a new class altogether that in either case doesn’t have an internal desire to restore capitalism and become bourgeoisie. Calling China capitalist is very unorthodox for trots, even cliffites believe in military state capitalism where bureaucrats aren’t actually personally capitalists. It’s really maoism with trot influences (the theory of a state stuck without a coherent mode of production rather than achieving socialism outright, more orthodox maoists would side with Stalin on this). Addition: There are a lot of parallels between trots and maoists, like both consider themselves a continuation of the losing side and representative of the masses in a struggle over the political line of the communist party of a revolutionary country, consider their historical opponents to have represented a self-serving bureaucracy, and have theories about how various states in the socialist camp were captured by or established by such a bureaucracy rather than being on a socialist path. But they have different and distinctive jargons ("degenerated workers state", "combined and uneven development", "social imperialism", "capitalist roader"), takes on the nature and aims of those bureaucracies (labor aristocracy vs. bourgeois-aspirational), and views on international relations within the socialist bloc (solidary vs. exploitative). uncop has issued a correction as of 18:40 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 28, 2018 10:46
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lol https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/25/taiwan-can-win-a-war-with-china/
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Sep 29, 2018 08:06
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i say swears online posted:lol China could launch enough ballistic missiles to gently caress up their port facilities forever and never even have to invade.
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Sep 29, 2018 08:39
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Amphibious assault is kind of a lost art and takes tons of specialist equipment and training. If China REALLY wanted Taiwan they could probably do it, but it'd take many years to build up, plan, and train for it, the build up would be obvious to everyone, and the losses would probably be staggering. Seems much more sensible to just wait out America's slow decay and then intimidate or even blockade Taiwan into reunification.
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Sep 29, 2018 09:24
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But that point of view doesn't let you write war porn articles.
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Sep 29, 2018 10:15
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The invasion of Normandy is one of like 5 successful amphibious invasions in history too lol. And everything had to go perfectly and it still killed a TON of people.
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Sep 29, 2018 10:30
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Larry Parrish posted:The invasion of Normandy is one of like 5 successful amphibious invasions in history too lol. And everything had to go perfectly and it still killed a TON of people. otoh they just need to wait until the F 35 gets widely adopted and then BAM instant air superiority over the beaches
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Sep 29, 2018 10:43
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And wasn't that heavily because successful counterintelligence and Hitler being a drug addled idiot meant the Nazis were caught with their pants down?
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Sep 29, 2018 10:45
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The real scary thing about doing something like that today is, well...picture Normandy but in addition to MG-42s and mortars, the Germans also have guided anti-ship missiles and anti-tank missiles that are firing at all the troop carrying ships and landing craft. It's scary enough that if I was a Chinese general and we were ordered to take Taiwan at all costs, I'd seriously consider gassing or tactical nuking the landing area and having the troops decked out in NBC suits. Ghost Leviathan posted:And wasn't that heavily because successful counterintelligence and Hitler being a drug addled idiot meant the Nazis were caught with their pants down? Also Germany was scraping the barrel with manpower already by summer '44, pretty much everyone already being killed by the Soviets.
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Sep 29, 2018 10:51
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Larry Parrish posted:The invasion of Normandy is one of like 5 successful amphibious invasions in history too lol. And everything had to go perfectly and it still killed a TON of people. basically the only reason it worked was due to Garbo being a ludicrously effective double agent for the allies
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Sep 29, 2018 11:16
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Graphic posted:The real scary thing about doing something like that today is, well...picture Normandy but in addition to MG-42s and mortars, the Germans also have guided anti-ship missiles and anti-tank missiles that are firing at all the troop carrying ships and landing craft. Or, you know, an attempt by the Nazis to land troops in Great-Britain. They would have had to tow river barges across the Channel and pray to God the Royal Navy never showed up to destroy their supply lines. Trying to land troops on Taiwan would probably be a very similar scenario: not even worth considering while the USA has planes and warships anywhere in the region.
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Sep 29, 2018 12:18
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Graphic posted:It's scary enough that if I was a Chinese general and we were ordered to take Taiwan at all costs, I'd seriously consider gassing or tactical nuking the landing area and having the troops decked out in NBC suits. Iirc that's the doctrine actually, or it was before START and other treaties banned tactical nuclear devices and neutron bombs.
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Sep 29, 2018 16:42
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Much like with North Korea, when you're a tiny state next to a likely belligerent superpower, your best bet is to make the downsides of any potential invasion outweigh the upsides.
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Sep 29, 2018 16:54
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXCXxQKVfQ the best part is at the end where he drops a Tibet and Taiwan are a part of China out of nowhere
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Sep 29, 2018 17:38
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/world/asia/china-maoists-xi-protests.html
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Sep 29, 2018 18:10
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2018 18:17
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quote:But they have. On the morning of Aug. 24, police officers wearing riot gear raided the four-bedroom apartment the activists were renting in Huizhou and detained about 50 people. As the police burst through the door, the activists held hands and sang “L’Internationale.” lol yeah a foreign ngo would be funding maoist students trying to organize labor in china
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Sep 29, 2018 18:31
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MAOISTS? In CHINA? gently caress man the reds really are getting around
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Sep 29, 2018 23:49
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Kind of blows away the theory that the CPC is still totes communist and that the capitalist reforms are just an extended NEP to give them the basis to transition to communism correctly lol i mean that, Foxconn, and the brutal suppression of organized labor
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Sep 30, 2018 00:33
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trotskyists
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Sep 30, 2018 02:34
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i hope they win
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Sep 30, 2018 03:42
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How ironic would it be if an American and/or British Socialist revolution inspired workers in China/Russia to revolt and the capitalist governments in China and Russia did a new reverse cold war.
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Sep 30, 2018 04:05
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And wasn't that heavily because successful counterintelligence and Hitler being a drug addled idiot meant the Nazis were caught with their pants down? Also the Allies had total naval and air superiority. Like at that point what few German ships and subs that were left couldn't even leave port except sometimes at night and the Luftwaffe was basically totally destroyed (like 30 or more Allied planes to 1 Axis plane in Normandy). Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 04:54 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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Sep 30, 2018 04:51
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As an aside iirc the German general staff planned for 100-150 Soviet divisions during Operation Barbarossa but the Soviets managed to field and equip like 800+ lmfao
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Sep 30, 2018 04:56
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 30, 2018 05:04
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Graphic posted:Kind of blows away the theory that the CPC is still totes communist and that the capitalist reforms are just an extended NEP to give them the basis to transition to communism correctly lol yeah i can't really think of a similar situation where labor organizing outside the socialist state led to a collapse. or one where that organizing got support from the cia!!! be weird if that happened
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Sep 30, 2018 05:09
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well if they can't do the war in real life someone should at least make a video game about it
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Sep 30, 2018 05:10
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 30, 2018 05:14
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R. Guyovich posted:yeah i can't really think of a similar situation where labor organizing outside the socialist state led to a collapse. or one where that organizing got support from the cia!!! be weird if that happened Lol China is not a socialist state
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Sep 30, 2018 05:19
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Its gonna be funny when theres a second socialist revolution in China before America passes a single socdem reform and by funny I mean kill me
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Sep 30, 2018 05:32
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R. Guyovich posted:yeah i can't really think of a similar situation where labor organizing outside the socialist state led to a collapse. or one where that organizing got support from the cia!!! be weird if that happened Solidarity was an anti-communist union from the start and was heavily tied to the reactionary catholic church, these are young maoists explicitly following the supposed ideology of the CPC. and lol at the CIA supporting them, yes let's help maoists organize labor in the country that produces the majority of our manufactured imports thanks to its relatively cheap labor.
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Sep 30, 2018 06:36
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i'm not saying they're exactly the same or that the party is right to react this way. but i can see where the reaction comes from
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Sep 30, 2018 06:44
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Zas posted:well if they can't do the war in real life someone should at least make a video game about it DEFCON was a good game
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Sep 30, 2018 06:47
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China hasn't been Maoist since they arrested the Gang of Four.
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Sep 30, 2018 06:48
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R. Guyovich posted:i'm not saying they're exactly the same or that the party is right to react this way. but i can see where the reaction comes from why would you just take it at face value that the Chinese government sees the danger as the CIA supporting a Maoist insurgency in China (again: lol) and not that these communists are trying to organize labor while China's entire economic rise is based on them making poo poo for the rest of the planet. They know if China had strong labor unions (meaning strikes, and lots of them given China's working conditions), a month of vacation, and the other stuff that any half assed European liberal country has people will have their poo poo made in Sudan instead because Chinese goods would cost a lot more
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Sep 30, 2018 07:17
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I'd loving love to see the CIA try to figure out how to actually support a Communist insurgency.
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Sep 30, 2018 07:23
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'd loving love to see the CIA try to figure out how to actually support a Communist insurgency.
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