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Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
If i remember correctly they would harpoon people out on the road and reel them into the vast orchard where they would get swarmed.

It really was an amazing game for generating stories like that.

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Also they packed the farm area with so many trees the server crashed eventually. It was a fun time.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




I enjoyed Cultivation Chat Group a lot but the more recent chapters kind of dive deep into the usual cultivation stuff that just bores me a bit. The humor and Song Shuhang's great and awful luck is still pretty enjoyable but as he delves deeper into the cultivation world it's less capable of carrying things on. I think the real world setting helped a lot at first but over time it's just been harder to justify some things when cultivators are a thing.

Going to keep reading but a lot less enthused lately.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Telsa Cola posted:

If i remember correctly they would harpoon people out on the road and reel them into the vast orchard where they would get swarmed. It really was an amazing game for generating stories like that.
The martial school for edgelords was built over an open volcano, so we would combine flying arts with the devil art 「Demon Born in Emptiness」 to throw or pull them into the pit.

Jackard fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Sep 10, 2018

CasinoV
Aug 13, 2009

Argas posted:

I enjoyed Cultivation Chat Group a lot but the more recent chapters kind of dive deep into the usual cultivation stuff that just bores me a bit. The humor and Song Shuhang's great and awful luck is still pretty enjoyable but as he delves deeper into the cultivation world it's less capable of carrying things on. I think the real world setting helped a lot at first but over time it's just been harder to justify some things when cultivators are a thing.

Going to keep reading but a lot less enthused lately.

Yeah, I kind of stopped reading it myself. Gonna wait till the whole space adventure is over before I binge read it to catch back up.

Did the same thing with RTW. That seemed to pay off as three actual battles happened.

Its Rinaldo
Aug 13, 2010

CODS BINCH
Forge of Destiny tournament arc climax just went up with the Bai v Sun Grudge Match being as vicious as advertised for Kung Fu Mean Girls

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Such an excellent end to the Outer Sect storyline. Looking forward to the closing chapters. And then on to the Inner Sect.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
Qidian's contract terms, allegedly:

quote:

First 200k words are free

When you sign, they have the licensing rights to your novel so they can sell it anywhere.

If you earn under $200, they do not have to pay you.

If you earn over $200, they can delay any payment for up to 3 months.

While under contract, if they ask you to do a book signing in China/Ph etc, then you must attend at your own expense.

While contracted, they can tell you "suggestions" on how to make your story better for the readers (They tell you what to write).

While contracted, they can hire someone else to write instead of you.

If you can not comply with their "suggestions" they have the right to terminate your contract.

If terminated, you must pay back ALL the money you've earned while under contract + any damage they foresee to charge you with.

If terminated, they will try to get the copyright of your novel so they can sell it anywhere with 100% profit.

All sales/ss/ad revenue will be split 50/50 with you and Webnovel.

They have other charges too, so you'll really end up with about 30% of the profit, then if you've got editor/artist that you've got to pay, will become much less.

All ss revenue will be for paying ss only, any free will not generate any money for you.

This works in China!

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/qidian-original-authors-something-all-of-you-need-to-know.73509/

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



That explains the slavery elements in stories.

CasinoV
Aug 13, 2009
You have to pay back the money you earned? How is that even legal in China? Holy hell that seems like something that won't even be legal there.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
China has been speedrunning capitalism for the last 30-40 years, I'd think they're ahead of the world in many aspects by now.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Holy poo poo, a few of these are exceptionally absurd, with these two in particular standing out:

quote:

While under contract, if they ask you to do a book signing in China/Ph etc, then you must attend at your own expense.

If terminated, you must pay back ALL the money you've earned while under contract + any damage they foresee to charge you with.

I wasn't aware that it was legal in any remotely modern nations to force employees to pay back what they earned if they're fired.

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012
I doubt that they could actually enforce that part of the contract. It's just there as a scare tactic and most of the writers are probably too poor to afford a lawyer to look it over and tell them that it's bullshit.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



If they can actually enforce that kind of rule, it would also mean you could never end a story. "What it's over? Well you're fired, pay back all the money we lent you. And we're not publishing that chapter, someone else is going to continue your story."

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
I think I can recommend Maou wa Sekai wo Seifuku Suru You Desu now. I've just caught up with the latest chapter, which is a terrifying cliffhanger that left me with sweaty palms, so it's maybe the worst timing to bring it up, but it's pretty dang good!

The setup is that a Japanese man in his 30s drowns saving a girl, and gets reborn in a world filled with people who fly giant eagles and other mystical creatures, as a humanoid with long ears.

This would make it the same as any other isekai story, but what's different here is that this world has no magic. And one night watching the stars, he is shocked to recognise the constellations, leading to the baffling discovery that this world is seemingly shaped just like earth, and his nation is located in what we know as Scandinavia!

He sets out to use his vast knowledge as a former-life researcher to advance technology in this 16th century Europe-equivalent, in order to save his people from the invading Crusade made up of another humanoid species and spurred on by a religion eerily similar to Christianity, bent on literally eradicating the "northern demons".

It's got the usual nobles and academies and clashing armies, with plenty of inventing goods for wealth, and charming pretty ladies. Yet it does so in careful detail, with a protagonist that somehow doesn't induce nausea in spite of being wiser than wikipedia, so it's quite enjoyable, even if annoyingly slow at times. Prose is decent too, by Narou standards.

Currently there's roughly 2000 pages of material out, and it feels like the author has made it about a third through the entire story so far, though who knows when or if it will ever end. It had a long break recently, but is back in reasonably fast release pace now, thankfully. Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




darkgray posted:

Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.

You had me until this sentence.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

darkgray posted:

Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.
Goddamnit, what the hell?

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004


Grimey Drawer
It's now on my raw reading list along with about 300 other series.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
I hope Christianity triumphs in pagan Scandinavia.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

darkgray posted:

Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.

This should be loving illegal.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

darkgray posted:

Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.
You put this at the end on purpose, you monster

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
welp, time to install rikaichan

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


darkgray posted:

Can't find any translation, I'm afraid.

Mods?

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010

quote:

*record scratch*
*freeze frame on Haru Koyama getting choked by a horny naked dude*
Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation. Not by choice, I can tell you that! It started when my weirdo classmate, Chiba, tried to save me from a runaway truck and got us both killed instead. Idiot. Then we got transported to another world, which I guess is like an otaku dream come true, or something? Chiba ends up with cheat abilities, and what do I get? Nothing! Lucky me, I get to be a sex worker instead. Gotta earn money somehow — but since I have to do it, I'm gonna kick rear end at it. This world treats women even worse than the one we came from, so things get...rough. Still, I've made friends with some of the girls, and if I can juggle Chiba's idiocy and Sumo the virgin's emotions on top of all the various kinks my customers throw at me, things will be all right...won't they?

No, no thank you amazon

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

That title was originally published on an R18 sister site of Narou, called "Moonlight". Basically web novel erotica written for women. So not necessarily what we're used to getting translated.

lurksion
Mar 21, 2013
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Tunicate
May 15, 2012


" All ss revenue will be for paying ss only, any free will not generate any money for you."

This explains a lot, actually. Users get free ss every day, which get used before the paid ones. Money wise, this helps with the ideal case for qidian - people buy paid stones, then don't use them.

Fallorn
Apr 14, 2005
Really makes you wonder if the publisher who owns Quidan and Gravity tales looking at the monetization of both sites and seeing what works better in the western market.

sunken fleet
Apr 25, 2010

dreams of an unchanging future,
a today like yesterday,
a tomorrow like today.
Fallen Rib
Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"? I read like 200 chapter of Venomous Consort because the premise tickled me and the first 50~ chapters grabbed my interest. The lead character is some sort of poison master who reincarnates. She assassinates someone in the first couple chapters and then she slowly claws her way back into her families good graces with her skills - it's all pretty cool so I sort of figured that would be what the story was about. But then it just sort of downslides from there because she never kills or fights anyone again and the main male lead gets introduced - he this weird omnipotent stalker guy who follows her around and sometimes randomly strips her of her powers some she can be a damsel in distress for him to rescue... some of it is probably different cultural norms or whatever that made the guy come off as hugely unlikeable to me but yeah. He was really unlikeable.

I'd would much rather read a story about the witty female lead wowing everyone with her skills and whatnot rather than the "romance".

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

sunken fleet posted:

Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"?

My Disciple died yet again is probably the best one I've read.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

sunken fleet posted:

Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"? I read like 200 chapter of Venomous Consort because the premise tickled me and the first 50~ chapters grabbed my interest. The lead character is some sort of poison master who reincarnates. She assassinates someone in the first couple chapters and then she slowly claws her way back into her families good graces with her skills - it's all pretty cool so I sort of figured that would be what the story was about. But then it just sort of downslides from there because she never kills or fights anyone again and the main male lead gets introduced - he this weird omnipotent stalker guy who follows her around and sometimes randomly strips her of her powers some she can be a damsel in distress for him to rescue... some of it is probably different cultural norms or whatever that made the guy come off as hugely unlikeable to me but yeah. He was really unlikeable.

I'd would much rather read a story about the witty female lead wowing everyone with her skills and whatnot rather than the "romance".

There's MDDYA that the other poster mentioned (it's mostly a humor thing, but the humor is good), and Forge of Destiny isn't actually Chinese but shares the same sort of Xianxia setting (and is in my opinion way better than most of the "real" Xianxia).

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

sunken fleet posted:

Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"? I read like 200 chapter of Venomous Consort because the premise tickled me and the first 50~ chapters grabbed my interest. The lead character is some sort of poison master who reincarnates. She assassinates someone in the first couple chapters and then she slowly claws her way back into her families good graces with her skills - it's all pretty cool so I sort of figured that would be what the story was about. But then it just sort of downslides from there because she never kills or fights anyone again and the main male lead gets introduced - he this weird omnipotent stalker guy who follows her around and sometimes randomly strips her of her powers some she can be a damsel in distress for him to rescue... some of it is probably different cultural norms or whatever that made the guy come off as hugely unlikeable to me but yeah. He was really unlikeable.

I'd would much rather read a story about the witty female lead wowing everyone with her skills and whatnot rather than the "romance".

there are like a hundred different wn's where a badass body snatches some random noble girl in a vaguely historical setting and then spends most of her time swooning over a handsome noble who is disgustingly controlling and possessive. the premises always suggest that this rad lady will shake up a heavily stratified misogynist society but really it's just about marrying a rich guy.

Silynt
Sep 21, 2009

sunken fleet posted:

Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"? I read like 200 chapter of Venomous Consort because the premise tickled me and the first 50~ chapters grabbed my interest. The lead character is some sort of poison master who reincarnates. She assassinates someone in the first couple chapters and then she slowly claws her way back into her families good graces with her skills - it's all pretty cool so I sort of figured that would be what the story was about. But then it just sort of downslides from there because she never kills or fights anyone again and the main male lead gets introduced - he this weird omnipotent stalker guy who follows her around and sometimes randomly strips her of her powers some she can be a damsel in distress for him to rescue... some of it is probably different cultural norms or whatever that made the guy come off as hugely unlikeable to me but yeah. He was really unlikeable.

I'd would much rather read a story about the witty female lead wowing everyone with her skills and whatnot rather than the "romance".

Forge of Destiny

Edit: it will be tempting to read the thread conversations on some of the decisions while you're reading the story, but I recommend that you avoid it. It's like staring into the :spergin: abyss

Silynt fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 29, 2018

sunken fleet
Apr 25, 2010

dreams of an unchanging future,
a today like yesterday,
a tomorrow like today.
Fallen Rib
Thanks, I'll check out My disciple died yet again, it sounds funny. Might peek at forge of destiny too since you guys recommend it but I dunno how I feel about english original trying to ape xianxia

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Silynt posted:

Edit: it will be tempting to read the thread conversations on some of the decisions while you're reading the story, but I recommend that you avoid it. It's like staring into the :spergin: abyss

Somehow those people manage to completely take the fun out of everything. I just seems incredibly tedious to have to make decisions about all the pills and what sort of cultivating is going to happen, etc. The only decisions I'm ever really interested in are "who to spend time with" and, to some extent "what tactics to use during a fight" (how does the author actually deal with this? Do people just vaguely specify strategies like "focus on using X skill" or what?)

sunken fleet posted:

Thanks, I'll check out My disciple died yet again, it sounds funny. Might peek at forge of destiny too since you guys recommend it but I dunno how I feel about english original trying to ape xianxia

It is absolutely better than everything I've read that plays the premise straight (MDDYA doesn't play it straight, since it's a comedy), plus the whole benefit of not having to be filtered through questionable translation quality. I was highly skeptical when I started reading it, but ended up really enjoying it.

edit: One thing I'd mention about FoD is to at least read the first few updates; I remember initially being kind of put-off since I usually don't put much trust in stories with reader choice elements like that, but the author somehow manages to make it work (largely because they obviously have a very clear sense of the setting/characters, such that they can make the results of any decision the protagonist makes feel natural).

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 29, 2018

Tobermory
Mar 31, 2011

Cultivating to Become a Great Celestial is also really good. The main character is reincarnated as a seventy-year-old grandmother, cultivating in a world of Xianxia sociopaths. Not much of it is translated, though.

Patrat
Feb 14, 2012

Regarding the crazy number crunching on Forge of Destiny and resulting drama, that kind of thing seems to be fairly important to generating interest and an active community on Sufficent Velocity. I write a fairly popular 'quest' there despite my mediocre literary skills and getting people debating over logistics and budgeting or whatever seems to be a noticeable draw.

Though in my case it was kind of deliberate. I commoditized political capital so that the thread would end up voting for nepotism and similiar before realizing they were very much not the good guy.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Patrat posted:

Regarding the crazy number crunching on Forge of Destiny and resulting drama, that kind of thing seems to be fairly important to generating interest and an active community on Sufficent Velocity. I write a fairly popular 'quest' there despite my mediocre literary skills and getting people debating over logistics and budgeting or whatever seems to be a noticeable draw.

Though in my case it was kind of deliberate. I commoditized political capital so that the thread would end up voting for nepotism and similiar before realizing they were very much not the good guy.

Mind linking us said Quest for those interested?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Patrat posted:

Regarding the crazy number crunching on Forge of Destiny and resulting drama, that kind of thing seems to be fairly important to generating interest and an active community on Sufficent Velocity. I write a fairly popular 'quest' there despite my mediocre literary skills and getting people debating over logistics and budgeting or whatever seems to be a noticeable draw.

Though in my case it was kind of deliberate. I commoditized political capital so that the thread would end up voting for nepotism and similiar before realizing they were very much not the good guy.

Heh. A lot of people who participate in quests seem to want to be the "good guy" and still be a murderhobo (even in settings that really don't support that sort of behavior - e.g., Worm, where even "villains" generally keep fights non-lethal). I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there are also people who want to be the "good guy" and still be a corrupt politician.

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Its Rinaldo
Aug 13, 2010

CODS BINCH

Ytlaya posted:

Somehow those people manage to completely take the fun out of everything. I just seems incredibly tedious to have to make decisions about all the pills and what sort of cultivating is going to happen, etc. The only decisions I'm ever really interested in are "who to spend time with" and, to some extent "what tactics to use during a fight" (how does the author actually deal with this? Do people just vaguely specify strategies like "focus on using X skill" or what?)


It is absolutely better than everything I've read that plays the premise straight (MDDYA doesn't play it straight, since it's a comedy), plus the whole benefit of not having to be filtered through questionable translation quality. I was highly skeptical when I started reading it, but ended up really enjoying it.

edit: One thing I'd mention about FoD is to at least read the first few updates; I remember initially being kind of put-off since I usually don't put much trust in stories with reader choice elements like that, but the author somehow manages to make it work (largely because they obviously have a very clear sense of the setting/characters, such that they can make the results of any decision the protagonist makes feel natural).

It was always hilarious when people reacted with astonishment when voters voted primarily by social minors and didn’t give two shits about the cultivation parts

As if the endless screeching and clutching of spreadsheets was the primary draw of the quest

Thank god we hopefully are leaving most of it behind in Thread 2 as i could go the rest of my life without seeing another “it’s two dice less it’s trash” art argument

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