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cliffy posted:The whole planet should ban crypto mining first! And carpet bomb the countries who don't.
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limaCAT posted:And carpet bomb the countries who don't. 
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20MW over a year is still going to be 175 GWhr, nothing to sneeze at. But ban bitcoin anyway.
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craig588 posted:The bigger surprise is it was worth doing, remaking anything on a new process isn't cheap. Well, the general "remake" case is a die shrink. Going up to the n+1 node should be easy.
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Paul MaudDib posted:California's really on their rear end about standby power utilization though, gotta save that 2w of vampire power The EU already mandates 0.5w standby, all current mainboards are able to meet that standard. Whatever California mandates won't be much of a problem.
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Asus is apparently going to support double height DC Dimms on some of their Z390 boards. These are no longer modules, they are friggen cards, and they whip rear end (visually)  put those old stacked server ram modules to SHAME with their sheer beefy glory
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Stupid thicc dimm
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So this means that Z390 will in fact be a worse feature-wise chipset than Z370 unless you really want that WiFi or USB 3.1 2nd gen to the tune of a couple extra watts (the lack of info on Z390 is not bearing any good news if you ask me). Guess I should be staking our motherboards for the 9th gen Intel CPUs. Unless Intel does something crazy like encourage motherboard adoption by cutting pricing so hard that retail channels drastically undercut Z370 pricing.
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They'd probably prefer if fewer 14nm Z390 chipsets are sold for now, in favour of more Z370 which is still a 22nm thing.
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incoherent posted:Stupid fixed
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necrobobsledder posted:So this means that Z390 will in fact be a worse feature-wise chipset than Z370 unless you really want that WiFi or USB 3.1 2nd gen to the tune of a couple extra watts (the lack of info on Z390 is not bearing any good news if you ask me). Guess I should be staking our motherboards for the 9th gen Intel CPUs. Unless Intel does something crazy like encourage motherboard adoption by cutting pricing so hard that retail channels drastically undercut Z370 pricing. Z390 is (probably) just H370 with overclocking turned on. The 22nm chipsets are apparently H310C (an ultra low cost chipset that may not even make it to retail boards), not Z390
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https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/supply-update/Bob Swan posted:[...]
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Amazing, it's almost as if people actually start wanting to upgrade their computers when the processors get better (# of cores) than the previous generations.
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mystes posted:Amazing, it's almost as if people actually start wanting to upgrade their computers when the processors get better (# of cores) than the previous generations. Yes, and we're also in the largest plateau the PC industry has seen since its inception which makes a valuable chip (2600k) still valuable 5-6 years later
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mewse posted:Yes, and we're also in the largest plateau the PC industry has seen since its inception which makes a valuable chip (2600k) still valuable 5-6 years later 7.75 years since the chip came out, and no it really isn't valuable to anyone who doesn't already have a well-prepared overclocking setup to put it in.
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3770K’s are even more absurd, they’re running about $175 on fleabay, which is half of what they ran new, in 2012. That’s insane.
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JnnyThndrs posted:3770K’s are even more absurd, they’re running about $175 on fleabay, which is half of what they ran new, in 2012. That’s insane. Yeah, I paid way more than that for a used 3770K just over a year ago, just under £200... It might not have been the best purchase, but hell, I'm happy with it, and my 2500K found a home in a newly built HTPC (with a used mini-itx board off ebay). It was also fun to delid.. fishmech posted:7.75 years since the chip came out, and no it really isn't valuable to anyone who doesn't already have a well-prepared overclocking setup to put it in. Check prices on ebay. They still sell for a reasonable amount, surprisingly enough. Just a side thought, the amount of time CPUs have been viable recently has been pretty remarkable compared to the past. Nehalem is a good point of comparison, and many are still using them, especially in older servers and so on. There are 10 years back to Nehalem's launch, the best being the (i7-965, 4C8T, turbo 3.46); but what about 10 years before that? We're talking Pentium II 450. An i7-965 is probably still better than many machines out there people are using on a daily basis (low clocked core i3 office desktops, 15W laptop CPUs, and so on), but a Pentium II in 2008 would have been thrown away long ago. vv Yeah, I just thought it was fun to stop and think about it for a moment HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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That's just a sign of stagnation imo It's only when amd came out with ryzen that intel finally started to produce cpus that drastically improve on previous iterations
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JnnyThndrs posted:3770K’s are even more absurd, they’re running about $175 on fleabay, which is half of what they ran new, in 2012. That’s insane. Yeah, compare the difference 6 years made in the 90s. What value would a 66MHz 486 from 93 have compared to a 733MHz P3 in 99? Admittedly it's nice not to have to upgrade every 2 years.
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Cygni posted:The 22nm chipsets are apparently H310C (an ultra low cost chipset that may not even make it to retail boards) So basically the cheapo chipsets for office PCs with i3s and 8GB RAM.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Don't get me wrong at all! It was great that my 2500k lasted for so long. Nobody wants to feel like they have to upgrade every year and a half. On one side you had stagnation, on the other side you had software developers making the most of it. Whatever's had to work on a 7600k also worked just fine on a 2500k. Four cores became a thing around Crysis' time, now ten years later you can do some seriously impressive poo poo with it, like 64 player vehicular battles on Battlefield. Hopefully now with the focus back on hex and octo physical cores we should see an explosion in impressive looking poo poo, here's hoping so anyway. Hyperthreading is nice but it just isn't a good enough replacement and is a security nightmare.
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JnnyThndrs posted:3770K’s are even more absurd, they’re running about $175 on fleabay, which is half of what they ran new, in 2012. That’s insane. By the time the Ryzen 2600 started getting retail rebates selling a 4790K there practically meant all you have to pay is DDR4 for a new AMD 6-core setup. BangersInMyKnickers posted:20MW over a year is still going to be 175 GWhr, nothing to sneeze at. But ban bitcoin anyway. When it comes to energy conservation what really ilks me is CFL lights are still sold because people are still loving buying them just because they are $1 cheaper than the LED counterpart sitting right next to it that uses 40% less energy and at least 5x the lifespan. Palladium fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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Oops: https://www.techpowerup.com/248008/intel-at-least-5-years-behind-tsmc-and-may-never-catch-up-analyst I think that's a bit alarmist, though - Intel can buy its way out of the doghouse, it'll just cost a lot.
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Palladium posted:When it comes to energy conservation what really ilks me is CFL lights are still sold because people are still loving buying them just because they are $1 cheaper than the LED counterpart sitting right next to it that uses 40% less energy and at least 5x the lifespan. Hell, I gladly ditched CFLs for LED years ago, when latter just hit the market with decent high output solutions that fit E27 sockets, despite costing almost 60€ a pop. Just for the light quality. Those expensive Philips Master LEDs, that are equivalent to 60W bulbs, are still trucking here to this day. They're from end of 2010, beginning 2011.
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jeeesus, that does seem really bad
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Also, analysts never know anything. Don't listen to their opinions.
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Intel is not 5 years behind TSMC. TSMC has good processes, but it can't be overstated how far ahead Intel is. Short Intel stock if anyone takes that story seriously.
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I suppose it comes down to IPC and cores in the end right?
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Lambert posted:Also, analysts never know anything. Don't listen to their opinions. This cannot be overstated.
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HalloKitty posted:
That doesn't contradict me in the least, they're worthless without a good board to put them in and those are getting scarcer all the time. They're also just plain not good for someone to buy into these days. I get that a lot of people here have carefully built up a system around never upgrading, but objectively it's absolutely not where someone would go if they wanted a CPU now. It's like the PowerMac G5 market where the only people interested want to do something very specific.
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craig588 posted:TSMC has good processes, but it can't be overstated how far ahead Intel is. Was.
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Palladium posted:When it comes to energy conservation what really ilks me is CFL lights are still sold because people are still loving buying them just because they are $1 cheaper than the LED counterpart sitting right next to it that uses 40% less energy and at least 5x the lifespan. but don't LED bulbs come in piss light colors too? 
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fishmech posted:I get that a lot of people here have carefully built up a system around never upgrading, but objectively it's absolutely not where someone would go if they wanted a CPU now. It's like the PowerMac G5 market where the only people interested want to do something very specific. wow, there's still a market for G5s?  Is it like, people running specific legacy applications/hardware that doesn't have x86 drivers, or what?
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Paul MaudDib posted:wow, there's still a market for G5s? Yep, weirdos who insist on specific PowerPC software, usually for audio/video production tools that don't want changed. And a residual group of businesses and the like who have a vital PPC-only application that needs to be run on the fastest gear still left to get by.
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Legacy never ends. At my old job spare part sourcing meant vacuuming the ebays and whatnot for VAX hardware. This for a lovely Siemens metro signalling system installed around the year 2000... I cant imagine the horrors of dealing with *actually* ancient systems. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oops: https://www.techpowerup.com/248008/intel-at-least-5-years-behind-tsmc-and-may-never-catch-up-analyst This might be a dumb question but: do delays with the 10nm affect Intel's future shrinks? Can't they be working on those in parallel, or do they require solving whatever their 10nm problem is?
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evilweasel posted:This might be a dumb question but: do delays with the 10nm affect Intel's future shrinks? Can't they be working on those in parallel, or do they require solving whatever their 10nm problem is? their sub 10nm isn't going to be silicon based we think but does require EUV which is suppose to be solved with 10nm.
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evilweasel posted:This might be a dumb question but: do delays with the 10nm affect Intel's future shrinks? Can't they be working on those in parallel, or do they require solving whatever their 10nm problem is? You don’t spend 5 years working on 10nm throwing ever increasing amounts of personnel and resources at the issue without straining your future research
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wargames posted:Isn't TSMC brute forcing their 7nm with quad tracing? At first yes. But Intel is supposed to be doing the same with their 7nm process too. TSMC 7nm+ (or whatever they call it) is supposed to be using EUV on some of the layers. But that is coming in 3-4Q 2019. quote:Oops: https://www.techpowerup.com/248008/intel-at-least-5-years-behind-tsmc-and-may-never-catch-up-analyst evilweasel posted:This might be a dumb question but: do delays with the 10nm affect Intel's future shrinks? Can't they be working on those in parallel, or do they require solving whatever their 10nm problem is? PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Sep 30, 2018 |
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