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cheers comrades, ive been practicing a lot lately
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yes let's all marvel at the really bad posts of forum newcomer and non-parachute account kurnugia
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Oct 2, 2018 01:08
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please youre making me blush and erect
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greetings, fellow poster! have you heard the good word from Phil Greaves?
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jacobin is a land of contrasts
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Karl Barks posted:This is his response, don't know enough about the subject to comment Scientific Socialists are well known for their policy of never planning anything
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Dreddout posted:Scientific Socialists are well known for their policy of never planning anything hes pointing out that coops aren't grounded in materialism, not that materialists don't plan lol it is incredible how visceral black socialists react if you even mutter a single phrase thats negative towards coops
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https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1046917478197153793 hes right folks https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1046920324997099520 
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Postoyevsky posted:hes pointing out that coops aren't grounded in materialism, not that materialists don't plan lol i think the guy who runs it is some Arte dilettante dipshit who discovered socialism 15 months ago
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R. Guyovich posted:i think the guy who runs it is some Arte dilettante dipshit who discovered socialism 15 months ago does he sell buttons
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R. Guyovich posted:i think the guy who runs it is some Arte dilettante dipshit who discovered socialism 15 months ago this could describe 75% of the left twitterverse
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Postoyevsky posted:hes pointing out that coops aren't grounded in materialism, not that materialists don't plan lol I dunno how collective ownership of the workplace isn't materialistic. I get that cooperatism is bad and not revolutionary, but it is the farthest left possible project within the bourgeois framework of the American state. I'm wondering what Matt thinks of Lamumba's project to turn Jacksonville into a cooperatively run economy.
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It's just a grognardy armchairism technicality because it's based in preconfiguring some material relations within a non-revolutionary society, and the fact that he's really going hard to bully black socialists trying to DO SOMETHING while he's a patreon aristo is sus af
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I get that cooperatism is bad and not revolutionary, but it is the farthest left possible project within the bourgeois framework of the American state. I'm wondering what Matt thinks of Lamumba's project to turn Jacksonville into a cooperatively run economy. I take more issue with BSA's attempts to paint it as some sort of Soviet dual power scheme. Coops can't get around the fact that they still have to operate in a capitalistic framework. They're still producing for exchange, and they still have to compete against traditionally capitalist businesses. There's no possible way, in our current conditions, for large scale cooperatives to exist
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yeah this is him. japanophile Arte man https://twitter.com/sire_26
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R. Guyovich posted:i think the guy who runs it is some Arte dilettante dipshit who discovered socialism 15 months ago 
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Postoyevsky posted:I take more issue with BSA's attempts to paint it as some sort of Soviet dual power scheme. No, there's definitely a possible way for large scale cooperatives to exist. The problem is that as with Mondragon, they still have to operate along the profit motive - meaning at some level they need an exploitable labor source. I think Mayor Lamumba's attempt has a lot of promise because you're a lot more likely to succeed using governmental power and sanction to cooperatize local businesses.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:No, there's definitely a possible way for large scale cooperatives to exist. The problem is that as with Mondragon, they still have to operate along the profit motive - meaning at some level they need an exploitable labor source. I think Mayor Lamumba's attempt has a lot of promise because you're a lot more likely to succeed using governmental power and sanction to cooperatize local businesses. I agree I didn't mean to imply that a large scale cooperative can't exist, I meant more that you can't have large swaths of the economy consisting of coops But I agree that Project Jackson is good. More because it's an expansion of the coop model to an entire community
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Personally what I enjoy about worker cooperatives is they avoid one of the root sources of bullshit, namely the powers-that-be within a organization perpetuating their own power and interests at the cost of the workers' well-being. Within a capitalist framework, I'd call that a straight upgrade over an alternative organizational structure.
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you know you're a dork when you're getting schooled on socialism by the guy that thinks norway is real existing socialism
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https://twitter.com/CamilaYPatria/status/1046824676125790210
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Phi230 posted:many steps many steps 5D Stratego
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https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1046970160576368640?s=19 The dichotomy of Bruenig e: 
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drat ebruening is really throwing out some red meat for the dudes who follow her out of some bizarre cool mom trad waifu fixation
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Weed nerds make me want to get liquored up and start fights
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Watch me have strong opinions about either of the Bruenigs
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You have to, it's a very important part of Revolution.
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Oct 2, 2018 05:47
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Liz followed me on my old twitter account Therefore, according to the immortal science, she is conclusively Good. Sorry.
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Oct 2, 2018 05:48
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Liz does not follow me, and is therefore bad
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She follows mccaine, Donald, and HenryKrinkle, but not me Now we are enemies
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Liz bruenig blocked me around the time the hillarymen tried sabotaging their careers, and I can only guess it was as part of a block list.
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i say swears online posted:wddp is still around and more active than rhizzone
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papa_november posted:You say this but it's locked to all outsiders, admission is subject to a stringent ideological purity test, and it allegedly purged 90% of it's posting base in 2012. There is near-zero chat about it on the outside. The only way to learn anything about it or what it was like is to read old Rhizzone posts and they are uh, not flattering.
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papa_november posted:You say this but it's locked to all outsiders, admission is subject to a stringent ideological purity test, and it allegedly purged 90% of it's posting base in 2012. There is near-zero chat about it on the outside. The only way to learn anything about it or what it was like is to read old Rhizzone posts and they are uh, not flattering. lmao my login still works but yeah i haven't posted since about early 2012 i don't remember it being that bad. it was postgarden that was slashie's fiefdom
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:reminds me of that japanese maoist cult that basically self-terminated by murdering its own members in a forest until there wasn't anybody left the Japanese Red Army? their leader is still alive and I think walking free, even though she was basically responsible for every single murder.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:She follows mccaine, Donald, and HenryKrinkle, but not me die
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the Japanese Red Army? their leader is still alive and I think walking free, even though she was basically responsible for every single murder. that means she's a cop
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