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i mean it sounds bad, but its really just a high level policy admission of the exact same thing most of you are going to do today... get in that car and go. it is your right.
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Potato Salad posted:People ask on Facebook sometimes "When is the next Einstein coming?" There's a couple reasons that's a silly question, but in a 700-800 ppm world, the only geniuses will be nobility raised in artificial atmospheres their whole lives. Serious question if we put a bunch of plants in our homes and schools how much indoor CO2 could we capture? Also, would brain function return to normal once ppm is below a certain amount or does it cause lingering damage?
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Serious question if we put a bunch of plants in our homes and schools how much indoor CO2 could we capture? It would return to normal.
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"it is too late to act" was always going to be the final stage of denialism and is founded on the mistaken understanding that it can't get meaningfully worse.
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"It sucks but ideally I'll be dead before anything bad really happens." "How old are you?" "I'm 20."
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Lol if everyone you know or care about won't be dead in 20-30 years.
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Current 20 year olds are hosed. I'm in my early 30s and should be dying just in time to see the beginning of the Bad Times. Weep for the actual children.
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I'm nearly 50 now so will avoid the worst of it but the next couple decades will be interesting. I find it all a bit surreal, it's almost like the restaurant at the end of the universe & we have front row seats.
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I'm 61, but I have a bunch of relatives who lived to their late 90's and one who hit 108/112 (not sure which). Ditto the wife. So I will probably have a front row seat to this thanks to all that healthy living. Awesome.
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I love how most white American olds are like: "Oh I'll be dead before we see anything that affects my easy way of life AND my kids will be rich enough to live in the elite enclaves unlike them poors!" combined with: *Steals all of their future generations money and/or basically want to blow it all ASAP on healthcare keeping their greedy old bodies alive for an extra moments or to be buried with it like a pharaoh*
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How are u posted:Current 20 year olds are hosed. I'm in my early 30s and should be dying just in time to see the beginning of the Bad Times. Weep for the actual children. we are in the bad times *right now*. thats what the collapsing/failed-states around the tropic of cancer are. thats whats driving the refugree crisis from the ME to EU and from central to north america. that in turn is whats driving the reactionary/hard-right turn both places. there's nothing future tense about global warming, the poo poo is hitting the fan RIGHT NOW.
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StabbinHobo posted:we are in the bad times *right now*. thats what the collapsing/failed-states around the tropic of cancer are. thats whats driving the refugree crisis from the ME to EU and from central to north america. that in turn is whats driving the reactionary/hard-right turn both places. Yeah but Trader Joes still stocks avocados that are within the reach of the wages of the wage-stagnated plebs that have so much more to worry about in their lives than to have empathy for anyone currently being affected by climate change, even within our own country. Look at the Carolinas, Puerto Rico, or even Katrina a decade before. I wonder what it would take to make things really hit the fan in the US specifically? Like climate change causing a virulent new rapid spreading cow or poultry disease leading to a collapse of readily available meat? Oil refineries being flooded on the coasts to the point where gas goes to 7 bux a gallon? Migrants are already being scapegoated and the US isn't seeing the brunt of numbers as compared to Europe. Even though it seems that Republicans are priming the pump on blaming them and/or milking the topic for all it is worth. I think the US is just to geographically huge and too entrenched in an attitude of gently caress-you-got-mine to have the majority of its citizens care for the plight of people in the span of hurricanes or droughts, even as entire cities go dark for good. Hell, climate change aside, if some either natural disaster or terrorism hit anywhere on the West Coast right now, Fox News has so many Americans brainwashed that I am sure there would be plenty of people who would would specifically cheer on any perceived "dem left coast librul tears." jeeves fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Also, would brain function return to normal once ppm is below a certain amount or does it cause lingering damage? Twofold answer. If you were to be momentarily poisoned by co2, you world return to lucidity after returning to (today's) normal atmosphere for a bit. Same for a kid losing concentration in a 1500ppm or 2000ppm classroom, open the window with actual circulation, go outside, and you're back to normal. Prolonged exposure to elevated co2 throughout development is where it gets bad. A child raised in a lovely air quality school in Texas that regularly peaks to values I've listed above who then has to do homework, eat, and sleep in a building with poor ventilation atop the already high (600ppm+) outdoor concentrations you can regularly get in cities and suburbs today may be behind for life. For what factors, that's the objective of the research: missed learning quality in development? structural developmental issues? permanent chemical issues? Social development issues? it's an impossible complex problem
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we should just start a rumor that >350ppm causes autism
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StabbinHobo posted:we should just start a rumor that >350ppm causes autism I like your thinking. Maybe low sperm counts too.
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You guys are so focused on loving carbon LOL what about hydrogen sulfide? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223130549.htm While co2 is a wonderful topic the more in the atmosphete the more lush forests become, while we are at a grim point all hope is not lost. You all need to just stop doomsaying, notice billionaires are not fleeing to kansas anytime soon. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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quote:Global warming's melting of polar ice allows 1st commercial container ship to cross Arctic Ocean Further down in the article: quote:China has already announced an ambitious plan to create a “polar Silk Road” by developing shipping lanes opened up by global warming. The Arctic Shipping Forum says 300 ships have used the Northern Sea Route, but the Venta Maersk is the first container vessel for commercial shipping to cross. How economically viable is a polar Silk Road in relation to the number and location of sea ports expected to be lost due to sea level rise? Rip Testes fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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Rip Testes posted:Global warming's melting of polar ice allows 1st commercial container ship to cross Arctic Ocean Haha holy poo poo, and to think that there are still people around who think that the arctic is gonna have ice in it by 2025. The idea that this is allowed by international law should be evidence enough that no meaningful progress will ever be made with regards to climate change.
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Rip Testes posted:Further down in the article: I'm pretty sure we all know in our hearts it's all smoke & mirrors now. Enjoy life as you can, prepare for it to get harder & enjoy the ride is about the only option left. I live in good old Brexit Britain... I've started learning about how to live off the land, probably a few years too late but come rationing at least I'll have a fighting chance.
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no you wont, idiot
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StabbinHobo posted:no you wont, idiot more than likely true but it helps me sleep at night.
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Don't sleep. That's when the marauders will steal all your food.
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StabbinHobo posted:we are in the bad times *right now*. thats what the collapsing/failed-states around the tropic of cancer are. thats whats driving the refugree crisis from the ME to EU and from central to north america. that in turn is whats driving the reactionary/hard-right turn both places. There's gonna have to be at least a dozen failed states in the tropics before I'll feel comfortable saying we live in the Bad Times 
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VideoGameVet posted:I like your thinking. This will just result in men taking more testosterone supplements to "offset" the climate, because that's the easier and more affordable option.
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ChairMaster posted:Haha holy poo poo, and to think that there are still people around who think that the arctic is gonna have ice in it by 2025. The idea that this is allowed by international law should be evidence enough that no meaningful progress will ever be made with regards to climate change. https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1045735420938649600?s=19 Nah goon look how much ice is left. It's fine.
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VideoGameVet posted:I like your thinking. Carboboys, making carbofaces. Nothing like real Oxygen Men.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1045735420938649600?s=19 maybe Greenland can finally live up to its name
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Tuned in to a public broadcasting program on nuclear power yesterday on the state channel. Was pretty interesting. The question of the programme was "Considering climate change, why aren't we switching to nuclear power and how dangerous is it really?". They went to Chernobyl, examined that and Fukujima and Three Mile, interviewed the heads of the major environmental organisations and the best radiation scientists on the globe working with the UN and poo poo, even people who were on-site in Chernobyl. The conclusion was that nuclear power is likely the only way forward, it's the safest way to produce energy we know, it has almost no emissions, the environmentalists are complete disingenous bullshitters when it comes to nuclear power, we have solutions for every problem with nuclear power including long term waste storage ready to go. Also, some interesting facts: From what the best scientists from an aggregate of UN, national and international sources can figure, about 85-90 people died from the Chernobyl accident, about 9000 cases of thyroid cancer were caused and about 15 children died from that from a lack of medical care, zero people died from radiation from Fukijima and Three Mile, there is no evidence that can be found for otherwise statistically raised cancer risks or incidents of any form, nor birth defects or other damage from the Chernobyl accident. It just didn't do much damage at all if you disregard psychological damage, and all the crazy numbers that have been operated with (tens or hundreds of thousands dead) either include completely unrelated deaths or are mathematical/statistical assumptions based on the assumption that low-level radiation (as in not much more than background radiation) causes elevated cancer risk and death. Which, again, the actual investigating scientists have never been able to find any evidence of. All in all an interesting if slightly less than informative watch. All I was really left with was that nuclear is the solution, it also has an insane PR-problem and people (and particularly environmentalists) have completely lost perspective and are disingenously unreasonable when it comes to the question of nuclear power as a substitute for coal, oil and gas. Great. Not that it's any news to any of you, but we're basically going to stupid ourselves to death. It's very frustrating.
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Nice piece of fish posted:We're basically going to stupid ourselves to death. It's very frustrating. Seems a fitting quote for humanity.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Tuned in to a public broadcasting program on nuclear power yesterday on the state channel. Was pretty interesting. The question of the programme was "Considering climate change, why aren't we switching to nuclear power and how dangerous is it really?". They went to Chernobyl, examined that and Fukujima and Three Mile, interviewed the heads of the major environmental organisations and the best radiation scientists on the globe working with the UN and poo poo, even people who were on-site in Chernobyl. getting all the industry and infrastructure going that is required for nuclear power in states that don't already have existing programmes will take decades, by which point it will be well and truly too late it's also absurdly expensive particularly when you consider the limited availability of uranium ur wrong
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"fart fart farrrrrrt" - cows
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Jonah Galtberg posted:getting all the industry and infrastructure going that is required for nuclear power in states that don't already have existing programmes will take decades, by which point it will be well and truly too late You mean the science program is wrong. Sure, but even if we pretend money is a real thing we need to be concerned about remind me again; how expensive is catastrophic climate change?
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Climate Change: all will die & it's the fault of money manipulating perceptions of a natural world or if you want one that can fit in subject: Climate Change: We'll die through money's manipulations of a natural world im depressed lol fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Oct 2, 2018 |
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i've asked this several times and got no answer but i'll ask again, are any of you actually doing anything or are you just sitting in your air-conditioned city apartments going DURR HURR about poo poo you have never seen firsthand and know absolutely nothing about (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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avshalemon posted:i've asked this several times and got no answer but i'll ask again, are any of you actually doing anything or are you just sitting in your air-conditioned city apartments going DURR HURR about poo poo you have never seen firsthand and know absolutely nothing about Did you bother reading the thread at all? Several folks have stated what they do in their communities to help. No one owes you a list, you entitled poo poo. Personally, I got a degree in environmental engineering specifically to get a job helping underdeveloped communities deal with water shortages and environmental remediation. Take your assumptions and shove them so far up your own rear end that they never come out again. Hello Sailor fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Oct 2, 2018 |
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Hello Sailor posted:I got a degree in environmental engineering specifically to get a job helping underdeveloped communities deal with water shortages and environmental remediation. Take your assumptions and shove them so far up your rear end that they never come out again.
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I do what I can to hamper global trade by delivering Binding Tariff Informations to importers, that classify their goods in the highest taxed nomenclatures.
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Avshalom I’ll assume that you practice your (environmentally friendly) kink of shoving tree seeds up buttholes on your spare time, but what day job do you hold irl if any?
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avshalemon posted:i've asked this several times and got no answer but i'll ask again, are any of you actually doing anything or are you just sitting in your air-conditioned city apartments going DURR HURR about poo poo you have never seen firsthand and know absolutely nothing about I am going to go personally beat-up that meanie global warming until I am demonized by character assassination campaigns carried out by media companies seeking out advertising revenue from manufacturers of more powerful air conditioners and their cheaper Arctic ice-free shipping routes. Or I can at least reduce my consumption below that of the average citizen of my country, live in an old multi-family house with no a/c, pivot into a career that addresses my environmental concerns, and be observant of resources such as this thread for other ideas and information. I certainly won't discourage even the notion of discussion in the first place, which is what nearly anyone in a position of power to change things does. Also,  just find Jesus man:avshalemon posted:bitch i'll shove something up your rear end so far that it never comes up again (a little oval seed. it will grow into a kurrajong tree, the sweet guardian of the australian desert, descended from african baobab seeds carried over an incomprehensibly long time ago by koori travellers, back before history was even a concept) and you will know an arousal like nothing else on earth as it grows upward through your viscera, nails you to the earth and extends its stalwart roots down to the groundwater. it is a fortress that no drought can kill nor bushfire break, it has been with us longer than anything, longer than the bible, longer than the torah, longer than the very act of writing, and it will be with us forever and you are a part of it now, via your anus
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Avshalom I’ll assume that you practice your (environmentally friendly) kink of shoving tree seeds up buttholes on your spare time, but what day job do you hold irl if any?
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