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Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Here's our latest, we've found the real name and identity of one of the Skripal suspects
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/26/skripal-suspect-boshirov-identified-gru-colonel-anatoliy-chepiga/

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


It's amazing that they ended up splashing a guy like this's face all over international news and didn't even manage to kill their target. What a fuckup. Or was given this little fucks part of the point?

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005


Wholly chao excellent work.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

aphid_licker posted:

It's amazing that they ended up splashing a guy like this's face all over international news and didn't even manage to kill their target. What a fuckup. Or was given this little fucks part of the point?

Someone's going to lose his Hero of Russia medal over that blunder.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Massive respect

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Seeing articles from the Beeb, independent, telegraph etc on this. Interestingly they mention that British home office apparently already knows the real id of both guys.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1045076195363233792

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

We're doing an excellent job then:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1045189449770881024

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

And of course the Daily Mirror with a misleading headline.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
That's some good stuff. Keep fighting the good fight, BM.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


Good, good...

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Here's a collection of posters that went up in 2014 around Moscow. http://stopfake.org.tilda.ws/

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Brown Moses seems to be too modest to link to the interview with him.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/30/bellingcat-eliot-higgins-exposed-novichok-russian-spy-anatoliy-chepiga

The comments section is great, full of regular Guardian readers with English names who happen to be agreeing that Bellingcat is a scam.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

It's been an amazing response, I've even been asked to present our next Skripal piece at Parliament. Hopefully the main result in this will be more funders coming to support Bellingcat, the person who did the majority of the investigation was volunteering, so I'd love to be able to give them a full time position.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Good luck!

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Brown Moses posted:

It's been an amazing response, I've even been asked to present our next Skripal piece at Parliament. Hopefully the main result in this will be more funders coming to support Bellingcat, the person who did the majority of the investigation was volunteering, so I'd love to be able to give them a full time position.

Good luck!

That reminds me. Talking to people from Ukraine/Russia/Belarus, even those who trust Bellingcat's findings still tend to think that you get your information from intelligence services, because they don't understand how you can find so much in open sources or find sources willing to cooperate. I remember there was kind of a behind the scenes article for the Boeing investigation and Google Earth tips and tricks, so it'd be nice to have one about Skripals at some point.

Come to think of it, it's not only about Bellingcat. There's some general distrust in new media and technology, I suppose. Some people don't even believe you can accurately trace someone's movements inside of the UK using CCTV, unless you know specifically where to look, implying maybe that someone informed British intelligence services about Russian agents. I know it's not really hard with face recognition technology and other tools that exist for more than a decade now, but for them it's still something from TV shows with infinite zoom and enhance action on jpegs, and I'm struggling with finding anything that explains this stuff in an accessible way. Maybe it's something Bellingcat could look into, I don't know, just venting, really.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

We've actually just finished a documentary about Bellingcat that will hopefully demystify us a bit. They filmed me and other members for the last 18 months or so, and I just watched the near final edit last night, so it should be released at the International Documentary Film Festival in Amsterdam, and hopefully they'll sell it to Netflix or some big TV channel to broadcast.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Brown Moses posted:

We've actually just finished a documentary about Bellingcat that will hopefully demystify us a bit. They filmed me and other members for the last 18 months or so, and I just watched the near final edit last night, so it should be released at the International Documentary Film Festival in Amsterdam, and hopefully they'll sell it to Netflix or some big TV channel to broadcast.

That sounds great!

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
Can't wait

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I hope they interviewed lowtax

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Give a shoutout to your lawyer Leonard J Crabs.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I remember how Bellingcat would basically post their entire process for all to see and people would still reflexively denounce it as a CIA plot. It feels like that meme with the sponge bob characters:
"This is a picture of a russian officer, his uniform, unit badge, and name all match public records, right?"
"right, that's a russian army officer!"
"Here's a post made by the same russian officer saying he is shipping out to a secret location, the post is time stamped there's a calendar on the wall behind him also showing the date, with a little enhancement you can see the day is circled and "the day we ship out to fight an illegal war against Ukraine" is written"
"agreed"
"This is another picture of the same russian officer from a public social media post he made with the caption "can't say where I am, but will make daddy putin proud by killing the enemies of russia" and in the background is a very distinct statue and landscape that only exists in a village in eastern Ukraine, right?"
"can't argue with that"
"A day later someone else posted a video, it shows a scene of night combat, it's dark but you can clearly make out the unit patches on the soldiers uniforms match the unit the previous russian officer was from, someone even calls his name during the video so it's clear this is the officer's unit in active combat?"
"that's a reasonable conclusion"
"So putting this all together, we can say with a quite a high degree of certainty that this man, an active russian army officer, was certainly in Ukraine on official orders and engaged in fighting?"
"Where did you go to school for journalism? That's right, you don't have any official training, you have no education in journalism, none of this is evidence of anything, CIA fake news, your flimsy circumstantial and most likely doctored evidence is full of holes and easily debunked! In fact it's all already been debunked, pathetic lies from a gay women's underwear salesman"

It's just that over and over with everything Bellingcat puts out, no matter how simple and obvious the evidence is.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
That's how people are. That's how human brain works in default mode.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Didn’t the Skripal passport thing require some non-publicly-accessible data, though?

Or are Aeroflot flight manifests public? Legit question.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Also those passport applications stamped "top secret"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




I love how Belarus outlawed alcohol sale at night for an entire calendar day before Lukashenko urged to promptly abolish the ban.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1047795015077040129

Love to see from Russian intelligence the same level of competence that I see in Russian business and Russian civil service every day.

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016

Give Poland to Russia and Hungary to Turkey, imo

everyone wins

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

You guys and gals don't realize how much of a dumpster fire 2018 Poland is... It's four centuries too late for that.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

They had printed Google Maps and taxi receipts for their journey from the GRU HQ to the airport. The GRU are total fuckwits.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Brown Moses posted:

They had printed Google Maps and taxi receipts for their journey from the GRU HQ to the airport. The GRU are total fuckwits.

https://twitter.com/kremen_x/status/1047804225273716736

Go on Secret Assignment to Europe
Keep the taxi receipts
Hope to cash it in back home as the expenses
Spiritless gayropeans arrest you and take away the receipts
MONEY GONE

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Confused about one thing: did they have a diplomatic status? Since otherwise, why expulsion and not arrest...

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

OddObserver posted:

Confused about one thing: did they have a diplomatic status? Since otherwise, why expulsion and not arrest...

They all travelled on diplomatic passports.

Details

quote:

Dutch security services caught four GRU operatives “in flagrante” and immediately deported them to Russia, sources said, while retaining their technical equipment.

The team of four GRU officers travelling on official Russian passports entered the Netherlands on 10 April. On 13 April they parked a car carrying specialist hacking equipment outside the headquarters of the OPCW in The Hague. At that point the Dutch counter-terrorism officers intervened to disrupt the operation and the four GRU officers were ordered to leave the country.

The “close access” hacking attempt, just a month after the Salisbury nerve agent attack, followed an earlier failed “spearphishing attack” on the OPCW headquarters.

The Dutch authorities released pictures of the Russian agents as they arrived at Schiphol airport. The cyber-experts, who were accompanied by two support operatives, travelled on diplomatic passports with consecutive numbers under the names Aleksei Morenets and Evgenii Serebriakov. They hired a Citroën car and were picked up by the Dutch authorities with all the equipment in the boot.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/04/netherlands-halted-russian-cyber-attack-on-chemical-weapons-body

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

The Dutch put up the slideshow from the presentation, this is my favourite part:
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1047823671992209409

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Brown Moses posted:

They had printed Google Maps and taxi receipts for their journey from the GRU HQ to the airport. The GRU are total fuckwits.
GRU GRC is serious business :colbert:

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


They also still had evidence on their laptops of previous attacks oh god

quote:

He said that intelligence from the laptops seized from one of the Russian operatives showed that they had previously also launched a cyber-attack during a world anti-doping conference in Lausanne, as well as travelling to Malaysia during the investigation into flight MH17, which international investigators said was shot down by a Russian military missile.

What the gently caress

I hope they also have to humiliate themselves on television

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Props to them for not littering, lol.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Paladinus posted:

Props to them for not littering, lol.

False flag detected!

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

OddObserver posted:

False bag detected!

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HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

I wonder how many more of these GRU teams are operating around the world with their false sequentially numbered passports taxi receipts and google maps?

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