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I did point out the split for party purposes in my initial post. You have to "raid" the armory. The only thing you HAVE to take is a key to a plot door to advance, but you can't advance without going into the armory room and it doesn't change anything if you only take the key but no armor/weapons as far as I know.
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Keeshhound posted:I think she approves of that justification, though. I just meant that she goes all lawbot on you if you just break in for the key and excuse it with "I wasn't going to ask for permission in the middle of an attack." Valerie is an ex paladin so she's well versed in constantly making the wrong decision because of alignment
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Sorry for what is likely a really basic question but I've been playing games for a really long time and especially these kind of isometric RPGs but I cannot for the life of me figure out what I'm supposed to be doing with the combat in this game. Am I actually supposed to pause the game after anyone in my party has completed an action so that I can assign them another one (besides autoattack)? Can the non-protaganist characters really only have 1 ability or spell available for AI autocast?
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VelociBacon posted:Sorry for what is likely a really basic question but I've been playing games for a really long time and especially these kind of isometric RPGs but I cannot for the life of me figure out what I'm supposed to be doing with the combat in this game. Am I actually supposed to pause the game after anyone in my party has completed an action so that I can assign them another one (besides autoattack)? Can the non-protaganist characters really only have 1 ability or spell available for AI autocast? You can set their autocast, but you can also go into options and turn off the default that has them set to not use consumable abilities. They don't really have any concept of an "easy fight" and will happily burn all their poo poo every fight, but if you don't want to have to micro your casters every round, that's probably the best you can do.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:09
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SuperKlaus posted:If I make a team of entirely custom NPC friends do I miss out on NPC storyline quests and similar content? I'd like to know this as well. I made a team of much better people, but if I'm going to miss out on extra quests and cool stuff I'll probably stick with the official companions. For people later on in the game, have you had any especially good interactions or fun quests from the companions? Are any of them more worthwhile than others? If it's all the equivalent of Amiri wanting to gently caress that pig by herself then I don't care, but if I'm missing out on actual content I do.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:30
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You'll miss out on camping banter but I don't think quests as I'm not sure how they are triggered.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:43
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Yeah definitely curious about content gained by having official NPCs along. Will there be any grief having Evil dudes around when I act Good like happened sometimes in BG? Also, does someone have a list of the official companions with stats and stuff? A Kingmaker wiki I found is woefully incomplete.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:45
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No, because any progress in this game is hampered by mind numbing bugs or trying to figure out basic poo poo like defensive casting which is all marred by the most gorgnardy goober devs I've ever seen.
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SuperKlaus posted:Yeah definitely curious about content gained by having official NPCs along. Will there be any grief having Evil dudes around when I act Good like happened sometimes in BG? Also, does someone have a list of the official companions with stats and stuff? A Kingmaker wiki I found is woefully incomplete. The party has input on stuff that happens and may complain or even leave if you make major decisions they dislike
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Oct 3, 2018 18:55
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The party quests feel very short, unless there's more later.
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I'm also curious if any of the quests go anywhere. Like, Valerie talks a whole lot of poo poo about Shelyn (to my main character, an inquisitor of Shelyn). It would be cool if she has quests that lead her to regaining her faith and paladinhood or something, or if I can get Harrim to smoke some weed and chill and admit things aren't that bad.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:I'm also curious if any of the quests go anywhere. Like, Valerie talks a whole lot of poo poo about Shelyn (to my main character, an inquisitor of Shelyn). It would be cool if she has quests that lead her to regaining her faith and paladinhood or something, or if I can get Harrim to smoke some weed and chill and admit things aren't that bad. Wouldn't Harrim ultimately be down with smoking weed and chilling? He's already got a pretty stoner mindset, if not particularly jovial about it. "Nothing matters, lets just sit on this couch and hit this pipe until the world ends" seems right up his alley.
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Part of me wonders if the insane difficulty balancing decisions were predicated on people testing stuff with a group of custom characters instead of the prebuilts like Valerie? The efficiency of a custom fighter or paladin over Valerie is pretty big, and the rest of the characters aren't exactly optimized either. Beyond the really egregious balance decisions if you gave me a group with stat distributions like Keldorn in BG2 or of entirely custom people like IWD I think it would have been a lot more tolerable.
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Zodiac5000 posted:Part of me wonders if the insane difficulty balancing decisions were predicated on people testing stuff with a group of custom characters instead of the prebuilts like Valerie? The efficiency of a custom fighter or paladin over Valerie is pretty big, and the rest of the characters aren't exactly optimized either. Beyond the really egregious balance decisions if you gave me a group with stat distributions like Keldorn in BG2 or of entirely custom people like IWD I think it would have been a lot more tolerable. I would assume that (as someone mentioned earlier) the people testing all had huge system familiarity. Has anyone with a pet gone to Verdant Grove for the dryad? I just don't think I can trigger the quest
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Zaodai posted:Wouldn't Harrim ultimately be down with smoking weed and chilling? He's already got a pretty stoner mindset, if not particularly jovial about it. "Nothing matters, lets just sit on this couch and hit this pipe until the world ends" seems right up his alley. He's a little insistent on trying to convince other people to accept his mindset, but his overall philosophy is pretty much "the end is coming, and there's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well do what you like." He does really hate Torag, though. It's a bit like being a follower of Sithrak (Oglaf, so there's probably something NWS I missed.) Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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What does ranking up my stats in the kingdom actually do? I'm level 3 loyalty and I really don't "get it".
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Taear posted:What does ranking up my stats in the kingdom actually do? I'm level 3 loyalty and I really don't "get it". Most directly, your kingdom stats give bonuses to your d20 rolls in kingdom events that depend on that stat (and since the DCs go up as the game goes on, levelling kingdom stats is pretty much the only way to keep up with that, unless you're using companions as your advisors). There may be other benefits that escape me right now, since I actually haven't had the time to level any of them in my game because I'm too busy putting out fires. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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Oct 3, 2018 20:02
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 If I did this at level 4 instead of 2 he would probably have survived it at full health. The alignment shifts from dialog are really freaking stupid at points. Do you wish to free this prisoner? It's a neutral good act so if you keep doing things like that you'll lose your paladin powers.  (lawful good) RAAAAAWR!!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!!
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Yepp, I've given up on my Monk/Paladin/Dragon Disciple build because so many actions gently caress your alignment.
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corn in the bible posted:Valerie is an ex paladin so she's well versed in constantly making the wrong decision because of alignment *Finds notes detailing repeated vivisection and torture of a troll with plans to continue even though all useful information has been extracted.* "He bought that troll legally. While it is distasteful, if you interfere, you're no better than a common bandit." What the gently caress makes you think you get a vote in this haircut? I am the god drat ruler of this land. That's why libertarian neutral gets stay at the capital. Cynic Jester posted:Yepp, I've given up on my Monk/Paladin/Dragon Disciple build because so many actions gently caress your alignment. I went barbarian sorcerer for dragon disciple and it's been pretty great.
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I've killed the troll king and the shaman and I'm sort of at a loss for what to do. What quests do I need to fulfil to advance the game? It better not be verdant grove since you literally cannot do it if you have a pet
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Oct 3, 2018 20:31
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Taear posted:I've killed the troll king and the shaman and I'm sort of at a loss for what to do. What quests do I need to fulfil to advance the game? I did verdant grove with a pet, it's pretty plot important and I think you'll need to expand your territories and upgrade the capital to a town in the near future.
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Oct 3, 2018 20:38
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Only Paladins lose their powers if they fall out of their designated alignment, right? If I dipped a rogue into a level of monk for the freebies, do my monk buffs go away if I become non-lawful, or only with their standard "hey, you still can't wear armor or they turn off" deal?
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:I did verdant grove with a pet, it's pretty plot important and I think you'll need to expand your territories and upgrade the capital to a town in the near future. Am I doing something wrong? I go into the room and there's a locked door and that's it. Same if I'm alone or with a party.
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I don't know. The actual rule in Pathfinder prohibits leveling as a Monk if you aren't lawful but doesn't disable abilities, but  Definitely if you are a divine caster and move out of your deity's accepted alignments you lose your access to spells, that's in the game
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I named my character Octavia and now I've recruited an Octavia and this is confusing. The same loving thing happened to me in Persona 5, more games need to stop me from doing that like Dragon Quest does.
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Taear posted:Am I doing something wrong? I go into the room and there's a locked door and that's it. Same if I'm alone or with a party. Show up with just the main character (pet is allowed) and investigate the dryad's tree. After the conversation just make your way out of the area since the door is still locked and there's nothing else to do there. ...man I wish I could name my animal companion.
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corn in the bible posted:I don't know. The actual rule in Pathfinder prohibits leveling as a Monk if you aren't lawful but doesn't disable abilities, but Yeah, I figured I'd need to be Lawful to pick it even as a dip later, but my plan was basically start as a rogue that is lawful then take a level in monk somewhere in the first couple of levels before there's any chance my alignment would shift away from it, and then just answer stuff however I wanted. If all it does is keeps me from taking more levels of monk, then I'm fine basically picking up flurry and a bunch of free AC for almost nothing. If it turns those off and I have to make sure to stay lawful all game, then screw it I'd just go straight rogue or a couple of fighter dips instead or something? I'm honestly just throwing stuff together in my head at work.
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itt many people never realized Lawful in DnD means you are a crazy person who will always follow the laws to a t, and the laws in these fantasy worlds are always very classist/racist against nonhumans. Lawful Good translates to "I will follow all the laws religiously, even the ones I don't like. I will fight evil creatures cause it's my job. I may not agree with what I'm doing, but I'm LAWFUL. Also every Paladin Order has very strict rules about Orcs/Goblins/most nonhuman lesser types like Kobolds." Neutral Good translates to "I will follow the laws I think are just, but since I work within the system I can also fudge the rules when it's for the good." Chaotic Good translates to "BORN TO DIE / WORLD IS A gently caress / Kill Em All 1989 / I am trash man / 410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS". Whooole lot of people think Chaotic Good is the socialism/self focus hero. It's not, you still strive to help others, you just actively hate and ignore all laws, even the good ones. You are more of an anarchist then the proverbial socialist ( who would probably be more of a Neutral Good type. ).
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Show up with just the main character (pet is allowed) and investigate the dryad's tree. After the conversation just make your way out of the area since the door is still locked and there's nothing else to do there. But there's no tree. There's just a room with a level drain trap and a gigantic locked door! It doesn't matter now anyway, I can't access the grove. Every time I go through the door the game locks up while it's loading. Edit: Oh right, it's the tree OUTSIDE. Man it really doesn't do a good job of telegraphing things, there's no way I'd have gone up to that at all. I just went through the door, tried to work out what to do and gave up. Taear fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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Rookersh posted:itt many people never realized Lawful in DnD means you are a crazy person who will always follow the laws to a t, and the laws in these fantasy worlds are always very classist/racist against nonhumans. Yeah, a lot of times D&D and its derivatives take the lawful/chaotic axis real drat serious for some reason. So far I've been sticking to Neutral Good pretty well, without feeling like I was railroaded out of the thing I wanted to say. I got the guy from Pitax showing up in my throne room being lovely so I chose the chaotic neutral option because it was the funniest.
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Chaotic Neutral is the oooo wah ah ah ah are you down with the sickness alignment fyi
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As a note, while I'd agree that I'm not entirely happy with how they've interpreted a few alignments overall, it seems to take a LOT of chosen dialogue choices to actually switch alignment. Some are certainly weighted higher, but so far starting at NG I've only slightly moved the indicator (mostly in a rough small circle) and I've picked choices from most of the spectrum at this point. Basically, it feels that clerics and paladins should be generally safe from class ability loss so long as you're not deliberately trying to never pick your alignment option. edit: Mostly good and neutral options of course, but there's been a few evil picks in there too. Like Lander's solution to the cow issue. Seriously peasants, this is not the baron's problem. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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Cynic Jester posted:Yepp, I've given up on my Monk/Paladin/Dragon Disciple build because so many actions gently caress your alignment.
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The two most recent editions of D&D ditched the alignment requirements for paladins and they abide by more generalized oaths instead. Because alignments are real pieces of junk. Planescape Torment did alignments right, where 90% of the time it'd shift from true neutral to chaotic good and stay there. But you couldn't become a paladin so I guess that point is moot.
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Taear posted:I've killed the troll king and the shaman and I'm sort of at a loss for what to do. What quests do I need to fulfil to advance the game? Verdant Grove contains some plot, but I'm not sure if it's critical in any way? Anyhow, the game will just progress, as time passes new events will start popping up that demand your attention, which then continues the plot. It's honestly a pretty natural way to handle it, and I quite like how it flows from chapter to chapter.
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It's pretty easy to keep your LG alignment even if you do some NG, CG, LN stuff
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A surfing dog?! posted:It's pretty easy to keep your LG alignment even if you do some NG, CG, LN stuff Yeah, as long as you do lawful actions (even if they are neutral or evil) and some good ones (even if they were chaotic), you will not stray far from your alignment cone. You must be pretty persistent on chaos or evil to fall off.
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SubNat posted:Verdant Grove contains some plot, but I'm not sure if it's critical in any way? I guess I'm getting frustrated that I'm 24 hours in but don't feel like I've done a lot. A good 30% of my time is spent on loading screens though. Especially that first one, it's SO LONG and it crashes for me a lot
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