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bigis posted:If I’m pooping at work is that time theft? Boss makes a dollar I make a dime So I poop On company time But seriously all paid work is exploitation, I don't see a problem with things going the other way. It's unrealistic to expect people to sustain 100% of their focus on the job for every hour they're working. And anyone who can and does is a scab. So long as the work is getting done, it's fine.
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Both are possible. It only took a clear out of Anna Bligh in Queensland to get an acceptable Labor Government after Campbell Newman and currently Queensland is in the middle of legalising abortion, something that wasn't previously thought possible under prior state governments. The LNP will always hear their master's voice in the IPA but when Labor gets a good clean out you would be surprised that the result is sometimes better rather than worse.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:12
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I will always remember the mysterious hero at my old work who pooed on the bathroom floor so the manager had to clean it up.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:14
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froglet posted:Boss makes a dollar Now's a good time to post the productivity vs wages graph.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:15
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Anidav posted:Both are possible. It only took a clear out of Anna Bligh in Queensland to get an acceptable Labor Government after Campbell Newman and currently Queensland is in the middle of legalising abortion, something that wasn't previously thought possible under prior state governments. The LNP will always hear their master's voice in the IPA but when Labor gets a good clean out you would be surprised that the result is sometimes better rather than worse. The issue with new Labor MPs is that a lot of them are young Labor that come from born and bred tory families and sandstone unis.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:15
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Starshark posted:Now's a good time to post the Bristol Stool Chart
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selflessness under capitalism is stupidity
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Anidav posted:Both are possible. It only took a clear out of Anna Bligh in Queensland to get an acceptable Labor Government after Campbell Newman and currently Queensland is in the middle of legalising abortion, something that wasn't previously thought possible under prior state governments. The LNP will always hear their master's voice in the IPA but when Labor gets a good clean out you would be surprised that the result is sometimes better rather than worse. TBH The current Labor govt aren't really very good. Aren't they still hellbent on approving the Adani mine? Granted, the Andrews govt. want to give tanks to cops and the McGowan govt also wants to give tanks to cops also is continuing Barnett's tactic of bleeding the public sector so it's not a great comparison, but at least they both pretend to care about the environment. Arguably the most important issue at present.
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bigis posted:If I’m pooping at work is that time theft? Poop in your allocated pooping/eating/rest periods, scum. All three at once.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:31
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Don Dongington posted:TBH The current Labor govt aren't really very good. Aren't they still hellbent on approving the Adani mine? Labor want to build part of Metronet right through the center of a Bush Forever site, which is a loving fantastic way to wedge the Greens.
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bigis posted:If I’m pooping at work is that time theft? According to neolib shithead small business owners any time you're not directly putting your own money into their pockets you are stealing from them! And sadly this trashing workers narrative won't turn away newspaper readers. They just think they're good little employees who will be the big boss one day as they spend hour 3 on the loo reading the Advertiser
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MysticalMachineGun posted:According to neolib shithead small business owners any time you're not directly putting your own money into their pockets you are stealing from them! It's (paid for by the IPA etc) blowback for workers saying making them do unpaid o/t is stealing, but then again if you treated them like people they'd do an extra 15 minutes a day without even batting an eyelid.
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GoldStandardConure posted:Labor want to build part of Metronet right through the center of a Bush Forever site, which is a loving fantastic way to wedge the Greens. Yeah I was thinking about attending the workshop on that, if it hasn't happened already.
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Don Dongington posted:TBH The current Labor govt aren't really very good. Aren't they still hellbent on approving the Adani mine? No. The policy they have is Adani gets no state government funding. Made last election back when it seems like the project wouldn't get ahead without government funding. As far as I can tell the project has been frozen since.
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As a side note I'm not exactly keen on the state government incentivising low-density sprawl forever by giving every loving new development train lines. Don't get me wrong, high speed rail to Margaret River would be cool, but I think Perth needed a hard border 30 years ago and planned accordingly so we didnt have to decide between trains and bush forever sites.
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ReachTel 51-49 to the LNP in Wentworth. LNP 40.6 ALP 19.5 Phelps 16.9 Heath 9.6 Greens 6.2 ReachTel is currently predicting Labor ahead of Phelps, 52% of Phelps supporters said decision to preference LNP ahead of Labor made them less likely to vote for her. Sharma will need about two-thirds of Phelps’ voters to put him ahead of Labor to win.
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JBP posted:It's (paid for by the IPA etc) blowback for workers saying making them do unpaid o/t is stealing, but then again if you treated them like people they'd do an extra 15 minutes a day without even batting an eyelid. Yeah my workplace treats staff really well so people offer to work back late and work through lunches and I have to tell them to not do that poo poo for free, either get flex or o/t for it
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Oct 4, 2018 06:20
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 Psst! Hey kid, wanna change the fuckin' rules?
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What happens if Labor promises to reveal all of the 'on water' matters from the previous few years minus the past 6 months or whatever to maintain 'secrecy'. Show that the boats haven't stopped and people keep dying. Pressure the LNP to release it before the election and prove the policy works.
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Konomex posted:What happens if Labor promises to reveal all of the 'on water' matters from the previous few years minus the past 6 months or whatever to maintain 'secrecy'. Show that the boats haven't stopped and people keep dying. Pressure the LNP to release it before the election and prove the policy works. Didn't the libs move all that poo poo into defence documentation meaning that you can't?
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JBP posted:Didn't the libs move all that poo poo into defence documentation meaning that you can't? It hardly matters politically whether they did or didn't, both sides would regard squealing on this issue to be a preemptive attack and declare war. They're already keeping dossiers on each other as it is (and how that open secret is brushed over by the MSM is another cause for concern itself). This stuff is going to be buried for decades unless something miraculous happens.
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ewe2 posted:It hardly matters politically whether they did or didn't, both sides would regard squealing on this issue to be a preemptive attack and declare war. They're already keeping dossiers on each other as it is (and how that open secret is brushed over by the MSM is another cause for concern itself). This stuff is going to be buried for decades unless something miraculous happens. Yeah agreedo, I just meant more from a functional standpoint hasn't everything been done to bury this information in places that make it illegal to divulge even if you had the political willpower?
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I believe they are exempt from FOI but that probably does not protect them from a government who wants them released. I'm just reminding you that no government is likely to want to in the next 50 years or more. edit, to be exact, here is a list of exemptions: quote:The right to access documents held by government is subject to certain limitations that ensure that sensitive information, including personal, secret or national security information, is properly protected. If you request a document from an Australian Government agency or minister under the Freedom of Information Act 1982 (the FOI Act), you may not be given access to the document if it falls within one of the categories of exemptions under the FOI Act. There are two types of exemptions: documents that are exempt, and documents that are conditionally exempt and will not be released if their disclosure would be contrary to the public interest. If an agency or minister decides not to provide a document to you because the document falls within one of the exempt or conditionally exempt categories, they must explain their reasons in the notice of decision they give you. If exempt information can be deleted from part of a document, an edited copy of the document can be provided. If you do not agree with the agency's or minister's decision, you can ask for the decision to be reviewed by the agency or the Australian Information Commissioner. That's such a wide-ranging list, they could fit it in many places. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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JBP posted:Yeah agreedo, I just meant more from a functional standpoint hasn't everything been done to bury this information in places that make it illegal to divulge even if you had the political willpower? why do you think they should be kept secret and not released to the public?
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If the media wasn't so biased against Labor they would be able to be a bit more of a real opposition party and challenge the LNP
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I want Rudd-sama's royal commission into media ownership.
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GoldStandardConure posted:why do you think they should be kept secret and not released to the public? 
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Shorten won't do anything about refugees because he likes things how they are. You could make any moral, economic, medical argument to him that you want, he prefers it that asylum seekers are kept offshore. He doesn't challenge the Govt on their stopped boats rhetoric, while Albo goes on interview admitting that the LNP have indeed stopped the boats (which obviously they haven't). He thinks that it's good that people are there. He just might want to tweak the conditions there a little bit so they're slightly more palatable to left wing people, under the guise of incrementalist change that completely gets swept away by the time Govt changes hands again
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I feel like democracy can work for progressive causes but posters in here have lost faith in democracy which is fair enough, I feel that way too but at the end of the day you still got to bring positive ideas to to the table for those who listen. While the party who usually listens to reasoning along the lines of this thread is The Greens, Labor is also not immune to listening to such things as well. The fact is the beating heart of Australia is probably loving disgusting and is a cocktail of ideas that really are confusing and sometimes super poo poo. At the end of the day, I would rather vote for a janitor to clean out these bad ideas and two parties are my options which will always top my preference list and I'm happy with that. And you know what, I would rather Labor get in and be pressured by all of their friends to change immigration policy than bare another 3 years of this tumbleweed of a government. However if I end up extremely disappointed by the Shorten Government I wont be preferencing Labor near the top for a very long time.
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I can't ever see myself voting Liberal higher than Labor, but I also can't see myself voting Labor higher than the Greens. But like you say, people here have lost faith in democracy - well, Australian democracy at least, which is anything but democratic in reality.
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Sir this is the accelerationist thread
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I just want a Federal ICAC
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Cpt Soban posted:I just want a Federal ICAC I just want milk that tastes like real milk
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Cpt Soban posted:I just want a Federal ICAC I also want to see more than half of our politicians locked up.
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Anidav posted:I feel that way too but at the end of the day you still got to bring positive ideas to to the table for those who listen. My positive idea is forming a dictatorship of the proletariat and anything less is revisionism to me
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Yet another Liberal meeting will debate privatising the ABC, despite regular assurances from political leaders it won't be sold off. The Tasmanian Liberal state council will be the latest to debate the issue, with one branch calling for the ABC's duties to be put out to tender. Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull was forced to insist the ABC would not be sold off when the federal Liberal council passed a motion calling for its sale in June.
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quote:Debate over alleged Chinese government interference in a Tasmanian local council race has divided the Greens, with the state party leader accused of “racist dog-whistling”. This is a real wedge and the solution is going to have to involve appealing to Chinese-Australians, as again this argument is white people arguing racism vs not racism while the right and the Chinese Government run the narrative by actually talking to Chinese-Australians.
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Lid posted:This is a real wedge and the solution is going to have to involve appealing to Chinese-Australians, as again this argument is white people arguing racism vs not racism while the right and the Chinese Government run the narrative by actually talking to Chinese-Australians. quote:“The article in Chinese News Tasmania notes that ‘Australia is a society dominated by white people’ and called on Chinese people living in Tasmania to back Ms Tang’s election,” O’Connor said. This is true though??? If there's more to this (like taking big donations from a Chinese state owned enterprise) it may be a legitimate line of criticism, but if the main thrust of your argument about nefarious Chinese interference is 'she said Chinese people should vote for her' I'm inclined to believe you're racist dogwhistling.
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