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Graphic posted:that must feel great, there's not many leftist spaces on the internet you can post dengist poo poo without getting laughed at lol
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Top City Homo posted:capitalism is better than feudalism yeah?
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at least under feudalism, it was clear to peasants they were under the yoke
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quote:When Put Pravdy reaffirmed the well-known Marxist axiom that capitalism is progressive as compared with feudalism,[1] and that the idea of checking the development of capitalism is a utopia, most absurd, reactionary, and harmful to the working people, Mr. N. Rakitnikov, the Left Narodnik (in Smelaya Mysl No. 7), accused Put Pravdy of having undertaken the “not very honourable task of putting a gloss upon the capitalist noose”.
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Graphic posted:that must feel great, there's not many leftist spaces on the internet you can post dengist poo poo without getting laughed at
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Postoyevsky posted:yeah? 
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been listening to a good podcast by Mike Duncan called Revolutions and it's an excellent source for raw historical facts but dude really has some Liberal interpretations of historiographically subjective political questions in the first French Revolution episode he talked for awhile about the silly marxists of the mid-19th century (though he almost implied they participated in the Revolution, maybe mixing them up with early utopians) who thought the Revolution was the scientific historical stage that would usher in socialism and seemed to be basically confused about basic stuff like the stages of history. then later he talks about how the Third Estate "misunderstood" arguments in favor of lowering wages and deregulating grain prices in order to drive prices down broadly (alongside wages), thus theoretically creating a consumer market place, claiming that the peasantry just heard "lower wages" and rioted because they misunderstood which is just a reductively arrogant view of third estate perspectives. it's frustrating to listen to otherwise good history with these relatively significant intellectual blind spots that pop up sporadically and briefly
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Frog Act posted:been listening to a good podcast by Mike Duncan called Revolutions and it's an excellent source for raw historical facts but dude really has some Liberal interpretations of historiographically subjective political questions I've been listening to the history of rome which I think he also does, and that's kind of surprising cause in rome he's actually done a pretty good job of outlining the underlying class antagonisms and how they are largely responsible for many if not most of the conflicts in early roman history
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Frog Act posted:been listening to a good podcast by Mike Duncan called Revolutions and it's an excellent source for raw historical facts but dude really has some Liberal interpretations of historiographically subjective political questions I don't remember him being THAT dismissive or even being that hard on the third estate. If anything he seemed to regard the nascent bourgeoisie as idiots for trying to implement laizzes-faire economics in the middle of a famine. Plus one of his main complaints about the revolutionaries of 1848 and the Communnards is their utter refusal and/or inability to be ruthless and utterly destroy their enemies through political purges or decisive military campaigns Then again I've also been listening to the podcast at work while doing bullshit data entry stuff so maybe I just zoned out during some of his more liberal takes while I was trying to read somebody's horrible cursive writing on a form.
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when will phil greaves and red kahina finally kiss
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THS posted:when will phil greaves and red kahina finally kiss Never, the human emotion known as love is counterrevolutionary, comrade <- one or both of them probably
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apropos to nothing posted:I've been listening to the history of rome which I think he also does, and that's kind of surprising cause in rome he's actually done a pretty good job of outlining the underlying class antagonisms and how they are largely responsible for many if not most of the conflicts in early roman history history of rome is extremely good and he really knows his sources, and he definitely understands class tensions resulting from the overuse of slave labor / the predatory behavior of the upper class, while also integrating important discursive stuff about Roman religion. my criticism of Duncan there was maybe a little harsh, he is quite good at explaining complicated narratives and so some reductionism is to be expected. the thing about the history of rome is that it is considerably harder to engage in liberal apologetics, even on a small or implied scale, because of the timeframe and general lack of the kind of state and market systems that any kind of Liberal system requires AnEdgelord posted:I don't remember him being THAT dismissive or even being that hard on the third estate. If anything he seemed to regard the nascent bourgeoisie as idiots for trying to implement laizzes-faire economics in the middle of a famine. I haven't gotten to 1848, I actually just listened to the episodes about the tennis court oath and the third estates, and I generally agree with you that he acknowledges the misguided free market impulses of reformist nobles in the newly-formed national assembly. my problem is more generally nitpicky and rhetorical - like he talks about the more radical members of the third estate and the storming of the bastille as though they were essentially irrational impulses, and discusses the conspiratorial thinking that typically characterized the "mobs" of Paris without giving a proportionate explanation for the often nakedly self-interested motivations of the newly empowered bourgeois, who he mostly presents as creatures of the enlightenment attempting to implement forward-thinking models. I just think this sort of broad implication that underlines some of his arguments, that the urban proletarians of revolutionary France were self-interested and irrational in contrast to the enlightened self-interest of segments of the nobility is a little irritating. that isn't to say he's bad really, or anything, he definitely acknowledges the influence of reactionary elements in the court and estates. like I said, my problems are nitpicks all that being said, I do think he fundamentally missed some stuff when he discussed marxist theory and I'm hoping that isn't a problem when he gets into actually explicit marxist revolutions
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don't get me wrong mike Duncan is really good at what he does and I'm very impressed by his work, and have learned a lot from it. I'm just used to a different style of presentation when examining important historical questions but I'm being unfair because he is really just putting together a thorough, educational narrative
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Grimoire posted:Never, the human emotion known as love is counterrevolutionary, comrade <- one or both of them probably https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/status/629921058594926592
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Lol drat rip Mao Makes Me Cum
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gently caress im blocked
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loving and shooting are the same -- Baader Meinhof gang
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:gently caress im blocked it's the infamous "as if communism is about cumming" one
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emdash posted:it's the infamous "as if communism is about cumming" one beautiful
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:gently caress im blocked I'm blocked too but can still see his embedded tweets.
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Frog Act posted:all that being said, I do think he fundamentally missed some stuff when he discussed marxist theory and I'm hoping that isn't a problem when he gets into actually explicit marxist revolutions Wait until you here his opinions on the Jacobins implementing price control on grain Mike seems to have jumped left after Trump got elected, he's much more sympathetic to the socialists in 1848 and 1870, even going on Chapo
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(forgot about that one)
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How many of these do you have?
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A lot lol
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you should make jacobinarticlegenerator.com that just posts a random one of these on refresh
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https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1047659957720682498 crossposting this from the hot takes thread, because Wyatt Reed basically admits that he and Carl David Goette-Luciak ingratiated themselves into the Nicaraguan opposition out of some idiotic first world socialist sense of political correctness.
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for a second i thought this was written by the other max shachtman
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hahaha that was part of the joke
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That poll gets trotted out a lot and I don’t think it’s particularly meaningful
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good justification for white genocide imo
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I mean you could argue my particular preferred system is just state capitalism so idk what that poll is supposed to tell you
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42% of young white adults in favor of socialism over capitalism is actually heartening as gently caress
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:crossposting this from the hot takes thread, because Wyatt Reed basically admits that he and Carl David Goette-Luciak ingratiated themselves into the Nicaraguan opposition out of some idiotic first world socialist sense of political correctness. look, the Sandinista have some faults politically, so they deserve to be exterminated by fascist contras financed by the US now excuse me I need to take some photos with a machine gun wielding contra
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Rated PG-34 posted:good justification for white genocide imo
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