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Patattack posted:Well I hate to inform you that Cleese has gone on some rants about people these days being too easily offended, which for a lot of people (esp. older white comedians) is a dogwhistle for "I want to be able to make jokes that punch down, without being called out for it". Unless I misinterpreted, and you already thought Cleese was a dickhead? Here's more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJheODYpuEI
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Screaming Idiot posted:Nah, the opposite. I used to love Monty Python, but then Cleese -- and apparently Gilliam -- turned out to be a chud. I think we generally need to separate the art from the artist or we end up not enjoying anything - most people are garbage in one way or another. Ideally, the personality of someone doesn't change a work they've created if it means a lot to you. Except for Woody Allen, he sucks.
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bell jar posted:I think we generally need to separate the art from the artist or we end up not enjoying anything - most people are garbage in one way or another. Ideally, the personality of someone doesn't change a work they've created if it means a lot to you. Except for Woody Allen, he sucks. I certainly agree, though an important caveat is that you can only separate art from artist as long as the art in of itself doesn't reflect what makes the artist problematic. Like, for example, Woody Allen's Whatever Works features a 20-something year old woman falling in love with a 60-something year old man. Viewed through a lens critical of Allen, it becomes a fantasy of a perverted old man who wants women much younger than himself to find him attractive. To such an extent where it's impossible to separate the movie from the artist. Meanwhile you can enjoy John Cleese's work as an artist because his art isn't about glorifying an age where Britannia was ruled by old white men.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:I got that movie because i'd read a great article about it and i wasn't disappointed,starts off a bit silly but ends on a really weird note and i'm convinced it would be a great remake movie. Apparently the ending is actually truncated according to an article I read in a book about old movies. In the full version of the ending, after he rips his own eyes out, he had one last line: "I can still see!"
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umalt posted:Like, for example, Woody Allen's Whatever Works features a 20-something year old woman falling in love with a 60-something year old man. Viewed through a lens critical of Allen, it becomes a fantasy of a perverted old man who wants women much younger than himself to find him attractive. Or, for another example, chosen completely at random, in Woody Allen's Husbands and Wives, Juliette Lewis's college student character falls for and makes out with her much older professor. Who just so happens to be played by Woody Allen. Call me crazy, but I'm starting to see a pattern here...
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BioEnchanted posted:Apparently the ending is actually truncated according to an article I read in a book about old movies. In the full version of the ending, after he rips his own eyes out, he had one last line: "I can still see!" Nah. Stephen King, in his book Danse Macabre, claims there were rumors that the ending originally went further with Milland crying out "I can still see" after removing his eyes.[5] Corman has denied the existence of that ending but expressed enjoyment of the idea saying "Now it’s interesting, Stephen King saw the picture and wrote a different ending, and I thought, 'His ending is better than mine.'"[3]
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King also copped being out-endinged himself by expressing admiration for Frank Darabont’s The Mist
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Screaming Idiot posted:Nah, the opposite. I used to love Monty Python, but then Cleese -- and apparently Gilliam -- turned out to be a chud. The fifth element is a bad movie so they did you a favor by doing whatever thing you’re talking about that makes you not watch it.
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oldpainless posted:The fifth element is a bad movie so they did you a favor by doing whatever thing you’re talking about that makes you not watch it. more like old...bad...opinion haver? gently caress it. Fifth Element is great and you're wrong. AZIZ! LIGHT!
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No I’m right and you’re wrong.
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oldpainless posted:The fifth element is a bad movie so they did you a favor by doing whatever thing you’re talking about that makes you not watch it. Fifth Element is glorious.
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oldpainless posted:The fifth element is a bad movie so they did you a favor by doing whatever thing you’re talking about that makes you not watch it. Could you do me a favour and come into gip to share your bad opinion
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Nikaer Drekin posted:Or, for another example, chosen completely at random, in Woody Allen's Husbands and Wives, Juliette Lewis's college student character falls for and makes out with her much older professor. Who just so happens to be played by Woody Allen. Ok. Now tell me which Roman Polanski movies involve a 14 year old girl being drugged and sodomized.
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rydiafan posted:Ok. Now tell me which Roman Polanski movies involve a 14 year old girl being drugged and sodomized. I mean she's not 14 but the main character in Rosemary's Baby is drugged and then raped by the devil
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Schneider Inside Her posted:King also copped being out-endinged himself by expressing admiration for Frank Darabont’s The Mist Was there a different ending originally? I could have sworn I saw a less...dramatic ending when the film first came out. Then I bought the movie and let my kid, who was starting to watch King movies, watch it and holy poo poo I felt awful for her. That ending is rough for a grown-rear end man, much less a 13 year old. It's a great ending. But holy poo poo.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Was there a different ending originally? I could have sworn I saw a less...dramatic ending when the film first came out. Then I bought the movie and let my kid, who was starting to watch King movies, watch it and holy poo poo I felt awful for her. That ending is rough for a grown-rear end man, much less a 13 year old. The book ending has just a tiny bit of hope as they drive off and hear other survivors on the radio. The movie ending is just a megaton kick in the nuts.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I can still respect Cleese telling the UK to gently caress off and he's quitting the country to go live on an island until he dies. I thought he was just kidding and it was crucifixion really? E: Subtle movie moment in Life of Brian - the crucifixes in the final scene were made to measure for the cast's comfort, but almost everyone looks uncomfortable anyway. This has nothing to do with the rigours of even a fake crucifixion, and everything to do with Cleese mixing up everyone's cross except his own between filming days. Jedit has a new favorite as of 13:09 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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umalt posted:I certainly agree, though an important caveat is that you can only separate art from artist as long as the art in of itself doesn't reflect what makes the artist problematic. Exactly. Be an rear end in a top hat in private, have bad opinions about jews/lizard people/left-winger/right-wingers/trans rights and so on, that's private and thoughtcrime is thankfully not a thing, as long as you actually do any reprehensible criminal acts. I'll think you're an idiot and disagree with you, but that's fine as long as we can keep it on a civilized level. If you don't push that stuff through in your art, and stick to other subjects, sure fine I don't care. The thing is that the most reprehensible people tend to let their nasty poo poo bleed into their art, because it's just such a big part of them. E: I listen to a number of Russian metal bands, and I'm fairly certain we would probably disagree wildly on a number of subjects, especially politics. But their lyrics are all generic death and destruction and cosmic horrors, so no problem for me personally. It's not like they're up for public office or anything like that. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 13:54 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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KozmoNaut posted:have bad opinions about jews/trans rights and so on, I'll think you're an idiot and disagree with you, but that's fine as long as we can keep it on a civilized level. 
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Hey, man. The hand is no different than what it creates, and all that.
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BioEnchanted posted:Apparently the ending is actually truncated according to an article I read in a book about old movies. In the full version of the ending, after he rips his own eyes out, he had one last line: "I can still see!" Ok you've convinced me i am definitely watching this movie again. 
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oldpainless posted:The fifth element is a bad movie so they did you a favor by doing whatever thing you’re talking about that makes you not watch it. Fifth element has mila jovovitch titties and also Lee evans. Fifth element is classic.
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Bruce Willis is apparently an apocalyptic rear end in a top hat and horrible to work with, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying The Fifth Element and watching Die Hard every Christmas.
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KozmoNaut posted:Bruce Willis is apparently an apocalyptic rear end in a top hat and horrible to work with, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying The Fifth Element and watching Die Hard every Christmas. How have the thought police not gotten you yet?
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When did Bruce Willis stop trying. Used to love that guy but now he's like Ben Kingsley where 99% of his movies stink.
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Mu Zeta posted:When did Bruce Willis stop trying. Used to love that guy but now he's like Ben Kingsley where 99% of his movies stink. In 2012, he had two very strong performances with Moonrise Kingdom and Looper. After that nothing.
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Hudson Hawk really changed Bruce Willis and no mistake.
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There's a great burn in the Bruce Willis episode of Between Two Ferns: "Did you know that some actors turn down roles?"
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KozmoNaut posted:Exactly. John Cleese, as far as I can tell, rides the kids movies voice acting train and as such there can only be speculation on what kind of jokes he would theoretically make. In general I feel that character traits that enable artists to make outstanding art include a willingness to go against the grain, the ability to take an outside point of view, and the tenacity to push it through against resistance. These are also character traits that make it more likely for you to hold views that don't align with a randomly selected other person. As some writer said: if you can't handle an artist saying things that aren't what everyone says, don't ask them; if you're an artist, you're better off expressing yourself through your art than through interviews.
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minato posted:There's a great burn in the Bruce Willis episode of Between Two Ferns: "Did you know that some actors turn down roles?" The quote from Jeremy Irons regarding the Dungeons and Dragons movie comes to mind: "I'd just bought a castle, I had to pay for it somehow."
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citybeatnik posted:The quote from Jeremy Irons regarding the Dungeons and Dragons movie comes to mind: "I'd just bought a castle, I had to pay for it somehow." My favourite is Michael Caine's quote about Jaws the Revenge "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific"
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From Ben Kingsley (about Species, I think): "You take the job, and the money. You don't worry about anything else."
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Was it Jeremy Irons who appeared in Bloodrayne purely because he loved the costume?
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No, that was Ben Kingsley, too. Apparently, he always wanted to play a vampire.
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Like Nic Cage doing Sorcerer's Apprentice because he always wanted to play a wizard (and his ridiculous outstanding debts).
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None of those guys missed their one and only Oscar win like Michael Caine because he was filming Jaws 4. Maybe he doesn't care, but that's still got to smart.
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The biggest failure of the MCU is that Nic Cage isn't Doctor Strange.
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The second biggest is Benedict's American accent.
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bony tony posted:The second biggest is Benedict's American accent. Although if it was Nic Cage he'd somehow do a worse one.
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