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Is there a different art style or buildings for an evil kingdom vs neutral or good one?
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Oct 5, 2018 19:04
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Eox posted:All three of those classes are some of the best design work Paizo did, they follow the Bard model of 6 spell levels and 3/4ths base attack bonus progression. You'll have a pretty wide variety of options with any of them, but I personally recommend Alchemist. Bombs for easy AoE damage, a daily source of potions and some very useful self-buffs, plenty of skill ranks on top of an int focus. They based it on The Witcher!
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Oct 5, 2018 19:10
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Sylphosaurus posted:Whelp, guess you sold me on the Alchemist! Time to read through the descriptions of the subclasses then. Grenadier gets mo' betta bombs.  Vivisectionist stabs things to death and presumably makes better use of the mutagen aspect of alchemist for it? I don't even remember what the third subclass is. Something to do with healing probably.
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Oct 5, 2018 19:14
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Zaodai posted:Grenadier gets mo' betta bombs. Yeah, it is Chiruregon. Their heals are always targetable on other people without picking the infusion trick that lets other people use them and they get Breath of Life as an extract. They lose... poison use and resistance, I think? They do get full bombs, I know that. Edit: yup, they just lose poison use, resistance and eventually immunity, at least in tabletop. They're solid. Double edit: vvvvv yes, they get normal alchemist bombs. There are several archetypes that get a weak version or don't get them at all, including vivisectionist. Prism fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 19:19
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Well, remember that "full bombs" is compared to regular alchemist, not Grenadier, who gets something like twice as much scaling and can get the ability to have his bombs not hit friendlies at level 2.
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Oct 5, 2018 19:23
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Zaodai posted:Well, remember that "full bombs" is compared to regular alchemist, not Grenadier, who gets something like twice as much scaling and can get the ability to have his bombs not hit friendlies at level 2.
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Oct 5, 2018 19:26
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Jimbot posted:No, but there is a distinct lack of options in that regard. If you're going to bring up stuff like this then you better drat well make sure your response options have a wide variety of choices. The only option available to you is the "I'm ignorant of this subject". It's just a badly design dialogue tree for that topic. Ok yeah that's fair.
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Oct 5, 2018 19:30
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Iymarra posted:Is there a different art style or buildings for an evil kingdom vs neutral or good one? the alignments have different decorations so my chaotic evil kingdom has corpses on spikes around but everyuone is still like HEY IT'S THE BARONESS or YOUR GRACE HOW ARE YOU lol
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Oct 5, 2018 19:45
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corn in the bible posted:the alignments have different decorations so my chaotic evil kingdom has corpses on spikes around but everyuone is still like HEY IT'S THE BARONESS or YOUR GRACE HOW ARE YOU lol
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Oct 5, 2018 19:53
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Iymarra posted:Is there a different art style or buildings for an evil kingdom vs neutral or good one? There is supposed to be, and you might get it, but in my experience, it disappears after some trigger fucks it up and you end up with generic lovely starting hovel, no matter how upgraded your capital is. It is especially funny when you're playing evil and you gather all these monstrous races to be your vassals and they suddenly turn into humans.
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Oct 5, 2018 19:59
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Don't forget that you can ask the half undead elf companion how sex feels. 
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Oct 5, 2018 20:01
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I don't know if it's a different writer on her or what, but that question doesn't seem nearly as skeevy, although it's still pretty juvenile. I guess it's just that she's really matter-of-fact about it and clearly not bothered so much as she is annoyed that you went there.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:07
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I wonder if Avellone wrote those.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:12
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Keeshhound posted:I don't know if it's a different writer on her or what, but that question doesn't seem nearly as skeevy, although it's still pretty juvenile. I guess it's just that she's really matter-of-fact about it and clearly not bothered so much as she is annoyed that you went there. Hmm methinks telling someone they're pretty despite the fact they hate being judged by how they look not as bad as asking someone how sex feels because of the numb genitals.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:15
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The latter is a pretty personal question to be asking of someone you've known for all of a day, though.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:19
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Jaethal talks about how she ritually sacrificed a quarter of her family so that she could get off harder, the question isn't exactly out of left field
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Oct 5, 2018 20:25
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Keeshhound posted:The latter is a pretty personal question to be asking of someone you've known for all of a day, though. Some people would ask without hesitation. My roommate is one such person. He's the type that will immediately say the first thought that comes into his brain with absolutely no filter or consideration of the feelings of the person he's asking. I'm not saying it's the right or wrong thing to do, just that there are certain types of people who would absolutely ask that question, so why not allow it as an option. That's the fun of roleplaying for some people. Being able to do things that you'd never even consider doing IRL.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:28
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I don't think you're following my point. I didn't say "no one would ask it." I said, "it's strange that asking a question that personal doesn't feel particularly gross, but the one about how pretty Moe Howard is, does."
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Oct 5, 2018 20:36
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Also, a good sign that the devs are really trying here, they have released two hotfixes so far today, both have potential quest/story spoilers: Hotfix 5 Hotfix 6
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Oct 5, 2018 20:43
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To be fair this is a first time studio's attempt to write romance and I seem to remember Chris Avellone thinks romances in video games are Dumb, so he wouldn't be much help. I recall the excellent NWN2 LP bringing that up. Also the romances in that game's OC were literally horribly written things to with either a dumb Paladin or a creepy stalker Elven druid girl. I'm more than willing to accept some cringe given that the studio is Russian and I'm more surprised any studio in that country was allowed to make a game that included same-sex romance options at all.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:44
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Sky Shadowing posted:I seem to remember Chris Avellone thinks romances in video games are Dumb, so he wouldn't be much help. That's a weird attitude for an RPG writer to adopt; romance and relationships (finding them or losing them or whatever) are a ubiquitous part of every other kind of storytelling and art because they're such a common and frequently-powerful shared touchstone in human experience, and I don't see any particular reason why trying to "gamify" that should be considered any more problematic or repulsive than a lot of the stuff you can choose to do in some CRPGs (including just butchering defenseless people for no reason other than to see what happens). I get that it can be difficult to do "right" in a medium heavily-defined by power fantasy and player-centrism, but to hear that just makes it sound like he's shying away from a challenge. They don't belong in every game, but just dismissing the concept feels like missing an opportunity and limiting the stories you can tell and themes you can evoke unnecessarily.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:50
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I can't believe Chris Avellone would have weird, stupid ideas about writing
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Oct 5, 2018 20:51
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Glenn Quebec posted:Don't forget that you can ask the half undead elf companion how sex feels. There's a whole subplot in one of the malazan books where a zombie woman gets some kind of squid implanted in her vagina and becomes a nymphomaniac which I'd successfully forgotten up till now tyvm
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Oct 5, 2018 20:53
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deathbagel posted:Also, a good sign that the devs are really trying here, they have released two hotfixes so far today, both have potential quest/story spoilers: quote:After considering the upcoming feedback we decided that it will be better to focus on releasing hotfixes with the best possible frequency rather then spending time on testing the next big version. The way we see it now we will keep preparing hotfixes during the next 1-2 weeks. The so called "big patch" with several hundreds improvements and minor fixes will be released after October, 22nd. How does that even work. "We'll keep on pushing out smaller hotfixes, but at the same time we'll also push out a big one. " (I guess they might spend 1-2 weeks focusing on hotfixes, then slow down to make a larger one. ) Honestly, listening to fans is the worst thing to do in a case like this. Pushing a lot of small updates vastly increases the chance of something going gently caress inbetween updates, or QA-issues slipping through, like the invisible magic menus in windows hotfix 4. I'm glad that they're taking bugfixing seriously though, I just hope that rapid fire hotfixes won't cause more issues than it solves. edit: quote:Party may lack camp rations at [story related dungeon you can't leave after entering]. Resolution: camp rations are added at [story related dungeon]. Ah, that's a nice addition. I completely forgot myself and hosed myself over with that when I went there, myself. Saved myself by realizing than Ekundayo's resting specialty reduces ration use by -2, so I got enough rests to clear it. SubNat fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 20:55
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SubNat posted:I'm glad that they're taking bugfixing seriously though, I just hope that rapid fire hotfixes won't cause more issues than it solves. Currently, their record half and half on this.
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Oct 5, 2018 20:59
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:That's a weird attitude for an RPG writer to adopt; romance and relationships (finding them or losing them or whatever) are a ubiquitous part of every other kind of storytelling and art because they're such a common and frequently-powerful shared touchstone in human experience, and I don't see any particular reason why trying to "gamify" that should be considered any more problematic or repulsive than a lot of the stuff you can choose to do in some CRPGs (including just butchering defenseless people for no reason other than to see what happens). It's not that's he's worried about making them work, it's that he doesn't think they belong in video games at all. Avellone's a weird dude, and people haven't really given him a reason to revisit that stance yet. I'm not willing to call him completely wrong yet, either, after dragon age 2 and the bioware social network. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 21:01
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I should clarify, I can't believe Chris "only the nazi jew rape rpg forum understands me" Avellone would have weird ideas about women
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Oct 5, 2018 21:05
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dreadmojo posted:There's a whole subplot in one of the malazan books where a zombie woman gets some kind of squid implanted in her vagina and becomes a nymphomaniac which I'd successfully forgotten up till now tyvm Sure but that's less weird than saying she's pretty apparently.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:05
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Keeshhound posted:I'm not willing to call him completely wrong yet, either, after dragon age 2 and the bioware social network. imo it is often best to simply pretend dragon age fandom doesn't exist Anyway I've posted in this thread three or four times without actually posting about the Pathfinder game; is there a place that has a good, concise list of all the classes and options and poo poo available? Because to me the appeal of any 3E D&D or PF CRPG at this point would just be to mess around with wacky mechanics, and people keep talking about PF original classes like Alchemist, so I think that might be the thing that convinces me to buy it.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:10
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SubNat posted:How does that even work. More likely is they shuffle around priorities, so known bigger issues get more time to be resolved while lesser issues that impact things like quests (probably because of typos either in code or in triggers) get fixed up as soon as they are found and replicated based on fan feedback.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:12
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:imo it is often best to simply pretend dragon age fandom doesn't exist It's got the core classes, plus alchemist, inquisitor and...uh... one other one. Each basic class has 3 archetypes available. The feat and PRC collection is a tad more anemic, but it's got more than enough stuff to minmax like whoa. My current character is a Cha based Monk/Paladin/Sorc/RDD for instance.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:15
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Cynic Jester posted:It's got the core classes, plus alchemist, inquisitor and...uh... one other one. Each basic class has 3 archetypes available. The feat and PRC collection is a tad more anemic, but it's got more than enough stuff to minmax like whoa. My current character is a Cha based Monk/Paladin/Sorc/RDD for instance. Magus. Here's the classes and their archetypes in the game. Basic Classes Alchemist (Grenadier, Vivisectionist, Chiruregon) Barbarian (Armoured Hulk, Mad Dog, Invulnerable Rager) Bard (Archaeologist, Thunder Caller, Flame Dancer) Cleric (Crusader, Herald Caller, Ecclesithurge) Druid (Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker) Fighter (Aldori Defender, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter) Inquisitor (Monster Tactician, Tactical Leader, Sacred Huntmaster) Magus (Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint*, Eldritch Archer) Monk [unchained] (Scaled Fist, Sensei, Traditional Monk**) Paladin (Divine Hunter, Hospitalier, Divine Guardian) Ranger (Freebooter, Flamewarden, Stormwalker) Rogue (Eldritch Scoundrel, Knifemaster, Thug) Sorcerer (Empyreal Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer) Wizard (Arcane Bomber, Thassilonian Specialist, Scroll Savant***) * The tabletop version of this archetype is called Kensai. ** This appears to be a monk set up to be the non-unchained version as closely as possible. *** There is no tabletop archetype of this name, and I forgot to check whether it was a renamed Scroll Scholar or Scrollmaster or something new. (EDIT: It's something new. They give up the wizard feats at 1, 5 and 10 to get a bonus on use magic device checks with scrolls, to use their INT modifier to set the DC of scrolls, and to use their caster level instead of the scroll's default when casting from one, in that order.) Prestige Classes Arcane Trickster Stalwart Defender* Eldritch Knight Dragon Disciple Mystic Theurge Duelist * If you know 3E, this is a dwarven defender except it's not just for dwarves anymore. Prism fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 21:19
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corn in the bible posted:I should clarify, I can't believe Chris "only the nazi jew rape rpg forum understands me" Avellone would have weird ideas about women 
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Oct 5, 2018 21:31
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SubNat posted:How does that even work. Honestly, I'm sure they will realize this in the next few weeks if it causes problems and change tactics again. Either way, it is starting to feel like I should just wait until the dust settles a little after the 22nd to seriously play this game.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:41
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I’m almost level 4 on the inquisitor subclass team leader. I have a skill that I think is suppose to give “shake it off” to everyone when I activate it. I can see the buff icon for the ability but I can’t tell if it’s giving the feat to everyone. Or maybe bless is over riding it? Who knows, but I am enjoying it. I’ve only wiped to a random mountain lion. I do have 2 bros on deaths door which I am worried about. I actually do like the timed quest, fatigue and rest system. I’m one of those weirdos that likes out of combat tension from games like darkest dungeon. Building a party that’s resilient to those mechanics is cool, but I know I’m in the weird on getting excited to fatigue less than doing +2 damage.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:08
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Prism posted:Prestige Classes It'd be nice if there was an easier way to see how to get prestige classes. Also the "beauty" stuff with Valerie really is too far. The line with the undead elf is just one line but Valerie's stuff is constant and unrelenting and it's even in her loading screen, I wish they'd shut up. The sheer amount of bugs in the game really is insane though. Like I'm not getting game breaking ones but just weird stuff like people unloading when running into rooms or other little things that add up to make the game feel really "off". Chapter 3 spoilers I always dislike it when a game tells me stuff is going badly when it isn't and them constantly telling me everyone is hosed off and about to riot when my stability and etc are super high is annoying. Another instance of bad DMing I guess.. Taear fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 22:09
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Taear posted:It'd be nice if there was an easier way to see how to get prestige classes. I hope the conclusion to her companion questline is an arduous journey into a dungeon to retrieve a powerful artefact, the +4 Paperbag of Obfuscation.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:13
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Cynic Jester posted:I hope the conclusion to her companion questline is an arduous journey into a dungeon to retrieve a powerful artefact, the +4 Paperbag of Obfuscation. Or they cut her face off. Here's another example of a tiny bug that's still sort of annoying - whenever I walk by Tessie The Quill in the town Linzi comes out and talks to me about her. Nothing new, just the same every time. It wouldn't be so bad but since you HAVE to go from throneroom to town to outside I get it all the loving time. They really need a "leave town" button.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:19
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So SOMETHING in the one of today's hotfixes noticeably broke something for me, and it's both temporarily helpful... and concerning. Upon field rest, Harrim got ten extra charges of channel over his default amount (so 13) and it's creeping up by 1 after each rest. Will try resting in town after clearing the Lamashtu dungeon, and see if that resets it.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:22
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Lord Koth posted:So SOMETHING in the one of today's hotfixes noticeably broke something for me, and it's both temporarily helpful... and concerning. Upon field rest, Harrim got ten extra charges of channel over his default amount (so 13) and it's creeping up by 1 after each rest. Will try resting in town after clearing the Lamashtu dungeon, and see if that resets it. Please stop praying for my grandpa, he's getting too strong
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Oct 5, 2018 22:25
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