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Martin Random posted:Please reconsider
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One thing I noticed with leftists complaining about idpol is that in many cases, it's not even a discussion about strategy, but rather, they just actively dislike the idea of idpol altogether. It's not "hey guys, let's focus on class warfare now and worry about idpol when we're in a better position", but rather "hey guys, let's NEVER discuss idpol ever again cause it sucks". These leftists are basically conservatives who are smart enough to vote for their own interests. I legitimately think this is why those stupid "SJW gets rekt!!!" videos are super popular, because they don't just pull from conservatives, but also people on the economic left as well. Mr Interweb has issued a correction as of 22:31 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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Oct 7, 2018 22:28
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Mr Interweb posted:One thing I noticed with leftists complaining about idpol is that in many cases, it's not even a discussion about strategy, but rather, they just actively dislike the idea of idpol altogether. It's not "hey guys, let's focus on class warfare now and worry about idpol when we're in a better position", but rather "hey guys, let's NEVER discuss idpol ever again cause it sucks". These leftists are basically conservatives who are smart enough to vote for their own interests. A glance at the comment sections of any given leftbook page indicate that the, "Queerness is a symptom of bourgeoisie decadence" theory is still disturbingly prevalent.
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Oct 7, 2018 22:33
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lefty /pol/ in a nutshell
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Oct 7, 2018 22:35
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Mr Interweb posted:One thing I noticed with leftists complaining about idpol is that in many cases, it's not even a discussion about strategy, but rather, they just actively dislike the idea of idpol altogether. It's not "hey guys, let's focus on class warfare now and worry about idpol when we're in a better position", but rather "hey guys, let's NEVER discuss idpol ever again cause it sucks". These leftists are basically conservatives who are smart enough to vote for their own interests. When you're going on like this could you maybe cite some sources or something, cos I've literally never encountered these pro-racism leftists and I'm curious where you guys are finding them
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Oct 7, 2018 22:49
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Crane Fist posted:When you're going on like this could you maybe cite some sources or something, cos I've literally never encountered these pro-racism leftists and I'm curious where you guys are finding them Rudatron
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Oct 7, 2018 22:50
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Martin Random posted:Azzmador broke down in a car of six fash in Arkansas on the way back from Charlottesville, nobody local would help him, so he and his friends started posting their location on the public part of their forums and on their discord begging for help, and we just missed intercepting him by an hour. So close. We were going to pick up azz alone to take him to a "repair shop," if we could. 
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Oct 7, 2018 22:50
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Crane Fist posted:When you're going on like this could you maybe cite some sources or something, cos I've literally never encountered these pro-racism leftists and I'm curious where you guys are finding them
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Oct 7, 2018 22:53
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martin random is one of the bush family members that went antifa
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Oct 7, 2018 22:54
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Phobophilia posted:martin random is one of the bush family members that went antifa didnt know he was JEB!
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Oct 7, 2018 22:56
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Crane Fist posted:When you're going on like this could you maybe cite some sources or something, cos I've literally never encountered these pro-racism leftists and I'm curious where you guys are finding them Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree.
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Oct 7, 2018 22:58
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Hey now, just because he's a Nazi doesn't mean he should be left out in the backwoods in case of a breakdown. After Hal Turner claimed he got hacked, a letter between Hal and his FBI handler where Hal was asking for more informer money for turning in the nutcases who called in to his show got leaked. Turned out to be a fake, imagine that. But it also turned out to be substantially true. He really was a paid informant. And he really was getting money. The letter got him exiled from his white nationalist circles long before he admitted and then used his paid informer status as a defense at trial. Are writing letters of truthful substance and helping motorists crimes? I don't think so.
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Oct 7, 2018 22:59
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree. Armoured Sceptic is reactionary trash fit for the bin. In what possible way could he be a leftist?
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Oct 7, 2018 23:04
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business hammocks posted:Armoured Sceptic is reactionary trash fit for the bin. In what possible way could he be a leftist? I might be mistaking him with someone else, but I thought he said he supports the idea of UHC, progressive taxation, and raising the minimum wage?
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Oct 7, 2018 23:06
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree. I have a hard time seeing how these people are leftist in any meaningful sense. Some of them are known reactionaries claiming to be on the left to dupe their audiences into thinking they're getting the whole political spectrum in their media diet.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:07
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leftist things like riding the bus
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Oct 7, 2018 23:08
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GorgonLiker posted:A glance at the comment sections of any given leftbook page indicate that the, "Queerness is a symptom of bourgeoisie decadence" theory is still disturbingly prevalent. I went down the rabbit hole of reading about maoist terfs. Whoa buddy, 90000 word blog posts chock full of more slurs than Thanksgiving with my chud extended family.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:09
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Grimoire posted:I went down the rabbit hole of reading about maoist terfs. Whoa buddy, 90000 word blog posts chock full of more slurs than Thanksgiving with my chud extended family. Emma Goldman said trans people are cool and that should be enough for anybody, so says me.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:11
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree. lol uh, bad news about these folks. I think out of all of them, only Dore has more than a single token progressive opinion they insincerely hold to get the worthless media to present them as rational center left moderates, and even then that's only because I seem to recall Dore having one or two good beliefs when he used to call in to Majority Report a lot, so I may be entirely mistaken there as well
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Oct 7, 2018 23:11
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Did Mao ever hoe so he could afford bomb making supplies so he could blow up industrialists? I think not. NOW who's counterrevolutionary?
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Oct 7, 2018 23:13
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socialist alternative is not a police abolitionist organization iirc, are they an example of strasserites/left racists
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Oct 7, 2018 23:16
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:I have a hard time seeing how these people are leftist in any meaningful sense. Some of them are known reactionaries claiming to be on the left to dupe their audiences into thinking they're getting the whole political spectrum in their media diet. This for sure describes Sam Harris, a dude so up his own rear end in a top hat about The Danger of Organized Religion that he manages only to ever go after Muslims, and has had exceedingly lovely and condescending arguments with Muslim moderation leaders about how profiling brown people in case they are Muslim is a cool and good thing. He's given some lip service to centrist economic poo poo like the ~Fite 4 Fifteen~ and the idea that automation will result in there just not being enough jobs for everyone here shortly but he's less left overall than a based dem.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:16
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:socialist alternative is not a police abolitionist organization iirc, are they an example of strasserites/left racists
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Oct 7, 2018 23:25
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Even Vladimir loving Lenin was vehemently for ethnic based sub-states within the USSR, and calling the rest of the early Bolsh gang a bunch of Great-Russian chauvinist idiots who didn't get it.
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Oct 7, 2018 23:57
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree. It seems less like there are lots of pro-racism leftists and more then you have an insanely loose definition of left-wing that encompasses anyone to the left of Steve Bannon and a couple people to his right?
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Oct 8, 2018 00:01
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Yeah, actually those were indeed some pretty bad examples minus Dore and Kulinski. But still, I maintain that I've seen many, many online people act that way.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:04
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I mean that's basically what Maoists are. Weird reactionaries adopting leftist trappings and presenting as leftists.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:10
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Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, actually those were indeed some pretty bad examples minus Dore and Kulinski. Okay still waiting on some examples other than rudatron, who is his own special thing If there really are [Donald trump voice] many such cases! then it shouldn't be hard to find a few and give me an understanding of where exactly these people are coming from Because right now I just don't get who they are and how they're arguing this position without just being deliberately contrarian
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Oct 8, 2018 00:11
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fool_of_sound posted:I mean that's basically what Maoists are. Weird reactionaries adopting leftist trappings and presenting as leftists. Grape posted:Even Vladimir loving Lenin was vehemently for ethnic based sub-states within the USSR, and calling the rest of the early Bolsh gang a bunch of Great-Russian chauvinist idiots who didn't get it. DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:socialist alternative is not a police abolitionist organization iirc, are they an example of strasserites/left racists What is wrong with you people
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Oct 8, 2018 00:20
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fool_of_sound posted:I mean that's basically what Maoists are. Weird reactionaries adopting leftist trappings and presenting as leftists. LOL! Mao noted reactionary. Chiang Kai Shek meanwhile great progressive.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:20
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take it to the LF thread you dweebs
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Oct 8, 2018 00:23
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, its mostly people I see online (like Rudatron), but if you want examples of people that have more clout: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Jimmy Dore, Armoured Skeptic, Nightmare Fuel, really almost the entirety of the "skeptic" youtube community, and probably even Kyle Kulinski to a lesser degree. sam harris is not a leftist he may be left of center by US standard's but he definitely not a leftist
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Oct 8, 2018 00:33
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Crane Fist posted:Okay still waiting on some examples other than rudatron, who is his own special thing Unfortunately, I don't have any stats or organizations or bigger names offhand that I can name. Admittedly, it's been mostly anecdotal accounts, from various messageboard posters, twitter users, and the bizarre overlap between the Bernie and Trump crowd.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:40
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Mr Interweb posted:Unfortunately, I don't have any stats or organizations or bigger names offhand that I can name. Admittedly, it's been mostly anecdotal accounts, from various messageboard posters, twitter users, and the bizarre overlap between the Bernie and Trump crowd. 
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Oct 8, 2018 00:43
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Mr Interweb posted:the bizarre overlap between the Bernie and Trump crowd. The what now
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Oct 8, 2018 00:46
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Mr Interweb posted:and the bizarre overlap between the Bernie and Trump crowd. This was a tiny bizarre minority duder.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:46
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I said overlap, I didn't say how big it was.
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Oct 8, 2018 00:48
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Crowsbeak posted:LOL! Mao noted reactionary. Chiang Kai Shek meanwhile great progressive. I’m not sure that’s how it works. as I don’t think the world works on some weird equilibrium
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Oct 8, 2018 00:50
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Mr Interweb posted:I said overlap, I didn't say how big it was. So like 3 people switched allegiance in that direction and you went "drat THOSE RACIST LEFTIES"?
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Crowsbeak posted:LOL! Mao noted reactionary. Chiang Kai Shek meanwhile great progressive. Shek was substantially worse but Mao was still an ultra-conservative military-fetishizing authoritarian with shades of neofeudalism.
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