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tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

fridge corn posted:

The problem with this is we've just had ~30 years of centrism and it really hasn't worked out very well at all
Not only is the center moving toward the right, but there simply are some things where the truth is not in the middle. If one side says, "Imprison thousands of children!" and the other side says, "Imprison no children!" the answer is not simply to imprison fewer thousands of children.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

BraveUlysses posted:

i thought you were like 6 months away from having enough money for a down payment

Sold silly stuff I didn't need, doubled down on OT and cashed another mature bond. With my wife's contribution it put us at 18% without touching our savings.

But they will not budge on the price so oh well, always another house.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


My qol has improved by reducing my time on social media. I wonder what would happen if I quit SA.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Having baby today.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Rhyno posted:

Sold silly stuff I didn't need, doubled down on OT and cashed another mature bond. With my wife's contribution it put us at 18% without touching our savings.

But they will not budge on the price so oh well, always another house.

20% bro, gently caress PMI

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

CommieGIR posted:

Having baby today.

Best of luck! Our "having a baby today" took three days, BTW. (Failed induction.) Hopefully yours will be less lazy.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Straight c section. Wife is done with this crap.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




GL! Excitement and terror awaits

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Starting the "don't make me come in there and get you" aspects of parenting early, then.

briefcasefullof
Sep 25, 2004
[This Space for Rent]
Congratulations!

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





tetrapyloctomy posted:

Not only is the center moving toward the right, but there simply are some things where the truth is not in the middle. If one side says, "Imprison thousands of children!" and the other side says, "Imprison no children!" the answer is not simply to imprison fewer thousands of children.

Certainly doesn't help that the Dems are increasingly acting like the GOP, with a slightly less ugly coat of paint over the same poo poo.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

CommieGIR posted:

Straight c section. Wife is done with this crap.

Have you chosen a nice, practical MPV yet?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Suburban Dad posted:

20% bro, gently caress PMI

We would have the remaining 2% by closing. I have a pending sale on a comic book for $1000.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

BraveUlysses posted:

the right, by all measures, is extreme and getting things that they want done. gently caress your dumb rear end centrism that has no real response to the threat of the right other than to stand around and ask for decorum and respect of norms

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem. My "dumb rear end centrism" is a reasonable solution. That's not saying I don't have opinions, and strong opinions, on the topics, they're just not typically on the polar extremes. This country isn't going to go fascist any more than it's going to go socialist. It is, and has been, in the middle. The extremes of both sides are cuckoo.

Want to stop the Right? Get to the polls on November 9. For me, I'll be hitting anything with a "D" so hard that they're going to have to put a new screen on the machine when I'm done.

Edit: I think that people confuse what "the extremes" are. Bernie is not far left. He's right in the middle between the left extreme and center. The problem is that the right is pretty loving far right at the moment. Centerism is not a bad thing, it's a balance.

meatpimp fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 8, 2018

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

CommieGIR posted:

Having baby today.

BTW, sincere congratulations.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
I've actually noticed Trump pushing some centrist commentators away from the right. It's not much, but it's something.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
Congrats on Dadding again CommieGIR :)

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


meatpimp posted:

Centerism is not a bad thing, it's a balance.



(not going after you specifically)

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

meatpimp posted:

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem. My "dumb rear end centrism" is a reasonable solution. That's not saying I don't have opinions, and strong opinions, on the topics, they're just not typically on the polar extremes. This country isn't going to go fascist any more than it's going to go socialist. It is, and has been, in the middle. The extremes of both sides are cuckoo.

Want to stop the Right? Get to the polls on November 9. For me, I'll be hitting anything with a "D" so hard that they're going to have to put a new screen on the machine when I'm done.

Edit: I think that people confuse what "the extremes" are. Bernie is not far left. He's right in the middle between the left extreme and center. The problem is that the right is pretty loving far right at the moment. Centerism is not a bad thing, it's a balance.
Yeah, a "centrist" based on a hosed-up American norms right now is way different than an actual centrist. And I think it's important to divorce policies one would deem centrist from the American politicians that people astoundingly are labeling as centrist or moderate. The former can represent perfectly reasonable stances. The latter appears to be composed of a) Democrats whose policies would have placed them in the Republican party twenty five year ago and who condemn incivility toward utter horrific people as being more of a problem than those horrific people themselves, and b) Republicans who hand-wring in gross public displays but who ultimately fall on the side of the aforementioned horrific people.

So apologies if I personally grouse about centrism and conflate the two.

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

meatpimp posted:

This country isn't going to go fascist any more than it's going to go socialist.

This was likely a common opinion of Germans in the late 20s too.

When should we get worried - when there are literal brownshirts in the streets carrying out mob justice with the full blessing of the state?

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat

The Door Frame posted:

I'm legitimately a socialist, and I'm glad that after Obama left office, people stopped using me as a boogeyman

Lol

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Olympic Mathlete posted:



(not going after you specifically)

I'm personally doing just fine and I barely pay attention to politics at all, coincidence? :shrug:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geoj posted:

When should we get worried - when there are literal brownshirts in the streets carrying out mob justice with the full blessing of the state?
Is that Thursday? I'm busy Thursday.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

InitialDave posted:

Is that Thursday? I'm busy Thursday.

Are you in a mob?

antiquepacbell
Nov 4, 2012

Geoj posted:

This was likely a common opinion of Germans in the late 20s too.

When should we get worried - when there are literal brownshirts in the streets carrying out mob justice with the full blessing of the state?

We got antifida out in the streets in disguises now doing exactly that

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

cakesmith handyman posted:

Are you in a mob?

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

antiquepacbell posted:

We got antifida out in the streets in disguises now doing exactly that

With the full blessing of the state?

And the likes of Fox News, Alex Jones and Breitbart haven't picked up on it and run it into the ground as proof of the "deep state" yet?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

What I honestly could see happening is something like Kent State all over again, wouldn't be surprised.

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."

Applebees Appetizer posted:

What I honestly could see happening is something like Kent State all over again, wouldn't be surprised.

Surprised it hasn't happened already.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

tetrapyloctomy posted:

Yeah, a "centrist" based on a hosed-up American norms right now is way different than an actual centrist. And I think it's important to divorce policies one would deem centrist from the American politicians that people astoundingly are labeling as centrist or moderate. The former can represent perfectly reasonable stances. The latter appears to be composed of a) Democrats whose policies would have placed them in the Republican party twenty five year ago and who condemn incivility toward utter horrific people as being more of a problem than those horrific people themselves, and b) Republicans who hand-wring in gross public displays but who ultimately fall on the side of the aforementioned horrific people.

So apologies if I personally grouse about centrism and conflate the two.


Geoj posted:

This was likely a common opinion of Germans in the late 20s too.

When should we get worried - when there are literal brownshirts in the streets carrying out mob justice with the full blessing of the state?

I literally said I was going to press every "D" as hard as I could to the point of breaking equipment. And that still classifies me as a pre-Nazi German. :bravo:





See all the space in the middle? There's a lot of room to have views that aren't extreme. Extremism on both sides is cancer.

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

meatpimp posted:

I literally said I was going to press every "D" as hard as I could to the point of breaking equipment. And that still classifies me as a pre-Nazi German. :bravo:

I don't know if the Democrats can be or even know how to be an effective opposition party anymore - they're too docile, too afraid to rock the boat and are the political embodiment of Charlie Brown trying to kick the football - "Republicans have slapped our hand away every time we've reached across the aisle over the past 10 years, but I'm sure they won't this time!"

On the other side you have the president whipping his supporters into a frenzy and calling for anyone who doesn't march in lock step with them to be locked up.

You'll excuse me if I'm seeing darkening clouds that are getting ever closer on the horizon.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
lol at unironically being the centrist horeshoe guy in the comic, good times

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

spog posted:

Have you chosen a nice, practical MPV yet?

That's what station Wagons are for.

He's alive. 8lbs 10 ounces.

Thank goodness we did a pre-emptive c section, he had his cord loosely around his neck.

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....

CommieGIR posted:

That's what station Wagons are for.

He's alive. 8lbs 10 ounces.

Thank goodness we did a pre-emptive c section, he had his cord loosely around his neck.

Congrats! Glad things ended up well and he's healthy!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Congrats on a healthy baby!

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

CommieGIR posted:

That's what station Wagons are for.

He's alive. 8lbs 10 ounces.

Thank goodness we did a pre-emptive c section, he had his cord loosely around his neck.

Excellent news, congratulations.


BraveUlysses posted:

lol at unironically being the centrist horeshoe guy in the comic, good times

Geoj posted:

I don't know if the Democrats can be or even know how to be an effective opposition party anymore - they're too docile, too afraid to rock the boat and are the political embodiment of Charlie Brown trying to kick the football - "Republicans have slapped our hand away every time we've reached across the aisle over the past 10 years, but I'm sure they won't this time!"

On the other side you have the president whipping his supporters into a frenzy and calling for anyone who doesn't march in lock step with them to be locked up.

You'll excuse me if I'm seeing darkening clouds that are getting ever closer on the horizon.

Continue to yell into the void. I'm sure you'll get somewhere.

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
Yes, if only the democrats could reach across the aisle and come to the realization that SOME sexual assaults and racism are acceptable, then we'd surely see the republicans quit pushing further and further to the right. A good solution.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Ether Frenzy posted:

Yes, if only the democrats could reach across the aisle and come to the realization that SOME sexual assaults and racism are acceptable, then we'd surely see the republicans quit pushing further and further to the right. A good solution.

See look how easy it is to meat in the middle

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

BraveUlysses posted:

lol at unironically being the centrist horeshoe guy in the comic, good times

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Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

meatpimp posted:

Continue to yell into the void. I'm sure you'll get somewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

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