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AIOs if you can't fit big tower heatsinks. Big towers perform better, but AIOs can fit into smaller spaces.
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Paul MaudDib posted:NH-D15S or a 280mm AIO is going to be the best choice if your case supports it. I don't think a 280mm AIO would fit. The air vent above is 210mm long by 150mm. Or am I being retarded?
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Eararaldor posted:I don't think a 280mm AIO would fit. The air vent above is 210mm long by 150mm. Or am I being retarded? Depends on if it's there's more space around the vent, I guess. You don't strictly need to have open airflow through the entire radiator, although it certainly does help. What case is it, though? Usually the manual or manufacturer's product page will state what radiator sizes it supports and in which positions. Again, though, I really don't agree with the recommendation for AIO coolers for these CPU's.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:12
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Looks like I got hit by the newegg hack. Debit card and Credit card have been locked due to fraud. I cant put money in my account and I don't have a way to pay for anything. nice. As soon as I heard about the hack I called my bank and cancelled my card that I had used so I didn't have to worry about dealing with that poo poo.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:19
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TheFluff posted:Depends on if it's there's more space around the vent, I guess. You don't strictly need to have open airflow through the entire radiator, although it certainly does help. What case is it, though? Usually the manual or manufacturer's product page will state what radiator sizes it supports and in which positions. No idea, bought it from Maplins as a cheaper bigger case in order to just fit in a 1080. Never thought I'd upgrade for a while after that, but here we are! The top vent is slightly bigger outside of the vent to a 230 length. Only caught your previous post until after I replied to the previous poster. Was hoping to keep all my options open and work from there.
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repiv posted:£300 for ryzen 2700x Ahahah Welp, better hope my mobo lasts another 7 years then.
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TheFluff posted:Again, though, I really don't agree with the recommendation for AIO coolers for these CPU's. Winks fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 20:40
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Ya, I think the main advantages of AIO vs Block Cooler is form factor. Depends on your case and motherboard and what you want to manage. Neither is better.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:47
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Aeka 2.0 posted:My bank also called me and I was like "ill call you back" and found a different number. I can't get ahold of anyone since it is Columbus Day, so who the gently caress called me? Are you sure it was your bank and not a scammer? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/10/voice-phishing-scams-are-getting-more-clever/
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Inept posted:Are you sure it was your bank and not a scammer? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/10/voice-phishing-scams-are-getting-more-clever/ Oh that's why I hung up. I found the number they called me on buried on their website so it was a legit call.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Hold The Ashes posted:Newegg has the majority of boards in stock now. I'm actually really surprised that the Extreme4 is only $170 and it already has a rebate on it.
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Oct 8, 2018 21:05
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AT has a huge round up of all the Z390 boards. Sure enough, it's H370 (really Q370, but whose counting) with overclocking on. It's good to see 2.5G, 5G, and even 10G networking integrated into some of the boards. Looks like everybody doing it is using Aquantia chipsets. (e: im dumb, Asrock is using the new low cost Realtek controller.) https://www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/ Also that Asrock ITX board with the TB3 port is pretty rad Cygni fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 21:16
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Oh that's why I hung up. I found the number they called me on buried on their website so it was a legit call. Read the link! Caller id is very easy to spoof and scammers are getting much more sophisticated.
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Oct 8, 2018 21:17
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I want to see a i9 in a Dan A4 to see that 95W TDP in action 
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Oct 8, 2018 21:21
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So 9900K is basically a 8700K with two extra cores and soldered heatspreader? Since I've delidded my 8700K the question basically is: do I need two extra cores, and how much they would cost? 200€ after selling my 8700K? That doesn't sound very wise for mostly gaming purposes. At least I wouldn't have to upgrade my ram& motherboard, which is quite rare.
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Ihmemies posted:So 9900K is basically a 8700K with two extra cores and soldered heatspreader? Since I've delidded my 8700K the question basically is: do I need two extra cores, and how much they would cost? 200€ after selling my 8700K? That doesn't sound very wise for mostly gaming purposes. Honestly, in your particular case it'd be smarter to just wait until the fervor dies down. There's absolutely nothing those extra two cores will offer you - just be happy that you have a nice upgrade path open to you. 
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Ihmemies posted:So 9900K is basically a 8700K with two extra cores and soldered heatspreader? Since I've delidded my 8700K the question basically is: do I need two extra cores, and how much they would cost? 200€ after selling my 8700K? That doesn't sound very wise for mostly gaming purposes. There are no reviews yet but yes, you can pretty much expect this to just be Coffee Lake with two extra cores and solder. Maybe some minor changes to the cache system. Right now the gaming difference should be minimal (see: 2600X vs 2700X) because games barely use 6 cores anyway, but if threading finally takes off over the next few years then the 9900K is potentially more future-proof, and it will be faster for non-gaming stuff. For people who are purely interested in gaming and don't want to bet on "future-proofing", the 9700K is potentially a much better deal. In practice, 8C8T is going to be faster than 6C12T in almost every situation. Dunno if it's really worth selling your processor and upgrading though.
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Are Intel TDP values just fantasy numbers? 95W doesn't seem like a lot since it's in-line with my 2600K before overclocking, though I guess I've missed a few years of lower TDPs. At this point I'm considering upgrading more from paranoia than anything else, since the (first-gen) Gigabyte Z68 board is getting old though it hasn't had any hiccups at all so far. Glad I spent extra on the UD-P model, and also for spending extra for hyperthreading years ago. If I do go 9th gen I'll probably buy the 9900k since the 2600k at 4.5ghz has worked so well for so long, but that's a pretty big price jump just for virtual cores. If hyperthreading is really a big security concern maybe I should go for a 9700k instead.. I'm going to wait for reviews, but at the time I bought my current chip no one really understood that 2500ks would be undesirable vs 2600ks these days. I've been carting around an original HR-02 since socket 1366 where the chips were expected to hit 200W+ when overclocked. Assuming I never had any problems cooling a 920 at 1.4v is it safe to assume I can probably just keep using the same cooler?
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future ghost posted:Are Intel TDP values just fantasy numbers? 95W doesn't seem like a lot since it's in-line with my 2600K before overclocking, though I guess I've missed a few years of lower TDPs.
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Turbo's the big thing that lets them keep relatively low TDPs, the base speed is only 3.6GHz, not much faster then a Sandybridge with a lot of process improvements in between.
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Oct 8, 2018 23:17
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Intel's TDPs are based on base clock.
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future ghost posted:Are Intel TDP values just fantasy numbers? 95W doesn't seem like a lot since it's in-line with my 2600K before overclocking, though I guess I've missed a few years of lower TDPs.  vs   So about 180W with a 1080 Ti when running Cinebench, at 4.7 GHz. About the same as a 2700X at 4.3-ish, or maybe a little less depending on the site. (Intel 14++ is at least a half node if not a full node ahead of GF 12nm. GF 14nm/TSMC 16nm are more similar to Intel 22nm.) If you assume 80% PSU efficiency, and 10W at idle for the 1080 Ti, that puts the CPU/mobo at ~118W. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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I figured I'd just set the wattage as high as it'll go as an override like I do now. Guess I can just hang onto this cooler until it no longer fits on boards. PSU efficiency will be roughly 91% at that wattage unless jonnyguru.com somehow lied about this review sample.
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heat posted:Read the link! Caller id is very easy to spoof and scammers are getting much more sophisticated. Oh I understand that, I manually dialed the number after verifying it. I haven't had a chance to read it. I'll do that when I get home.
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Paul MaudDib posted:For people who are purely interested in gaming and don't want to bet on "future-proofing", the 9700K is potentially a much better deal. In practice, 8C8T is going to be faster than 6C12T in almost every situation. Dunno if it's really worth selling your processor and upgrading though. Is this true even for those of us who play heavily CPU-bound games like Total War, Stellaris, etc?
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Kestral posted:Is this true even for those of us who play heavily CPU-bound games like Total War, Stellaris, etc? The common rule-of-thumb is that hyperthreading can give you up to 30% more performance. In reality it's just scheduling stuff onto idle execution units, so it can be less, or zero, or negative (although that doesn't happen much anymore). Games are usually more like 10%. This is 30% more real cores, so even in good cases for hyperthreading it should outperform HT. Of course if your game is bottlenecked on a single thread (which I think Stellaris is) then nothing is going to help. The only thing you can do then is push clocks right to the firewall and run fast RAM. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Cygni posted:AT has a huge round up of all the Z390 boards. Sure enough, it's H370 (really Q370, but whose counting) with overclocking on. Well at least a low end 2.5G port is a step in the right direction. I'd LIKE a native 2.5G port natively on the next gen mobos as i'm sure this thing is going to have a noticeable cpu consumption.
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A 9700k is a good buy over an 8700k if building from scratch then? Its only 30 more on amazon for two real cores
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RME posted:A 9700k is a good buy over an 8700k if building from scratch then? Its only 30 more on amazon for two real cores I'd do it even if they were the exact same chips except for the 9700k being soldered.
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RME posted:A 9700k is a good buy over an 8700k if building from scratch then? Its only 30 more on amazon for two real cores If nothing else it's soldered, which is going to make a big difference in temps.
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incoherent posted:Well at least a low end 2.5G port is a step in the right direction. I'd LIKE a native 2.5G port natively on the next gen mobos as i'm sure this thing is going to have a noticeable cpu consumption. I think we will see it pretty soon for sure (well, like 1-2 years), since both Intel and AMD already have it integrated in their more SoC-style embedded stuff.
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sincx posted:I wonder how much faster the 9900k is than my 6850k (4.2 all core OC). BW was real close to Skylake IPC. So math would suggest ~12% faster at stock clocks (than your OC), plus 1.12 x 33% = 1.5x as fast in MT. Add another ~5% if you OC the 9900K.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Oh I understand that, I manually dialed the number after verifying it. I haven't had a chance to read it. I'll do that when I get home. I don't think that would help with verifying who called you if they spoofed the Caller ID.
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I was planning on buying a 9700k/9600k to finally replace my 2500k and get some of that sweet soldered goodness but the prices here are mad: i7 8086K - 569 i9 9900K - 559 i7 9700K - 549 i7 8700K - 539 (9600K is not listed yet but I guess it's gonna be 529  )I guess everyone is using the 14nm shortage as an excuse. Is it that bad ?
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Llyd posted:I was planning on buying a 9700k/9600k to finally replace my 2500k and get some of that sweet soldered goodness but the prices here are mad: those are good prices considering the 20% VAT and the general increase in EU prices
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Paul MaudDib posted:those are good prices considering the 20% VAT and the general increase in EU prices I thought it was the US suffering from the tariffs and such. I can get a Ryzen 7 2700x for 350 for comparison. The only thing Intel has at that level is the 8600K, the 7700K is still up at 420. I guess I'll wait for the initial rush to pass and see how that goes.
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I'm really tempted by ryzen 2700x, I was looking at it recently and some shops do bundles where the the CPU+cooler, memory, motherboard and an SSD combined were just £530. A sole 8700k costs £470, it's a rip off. Here's an example, on OCUK the 8700k on its own is £470 but you can get a loving shitload more on the AMD side of things It's not even close. Who the gently caress would buy a 8700k right now? Prices are insane. AMD is absolutely exploiting the situation with these crazy giveaways they're doing.
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Depends where you live/shop I guess. You can get a 8700K for 429 or an 8086K for 476 in Germany, and something like a 8600 for budget gaming builds in the low 200's. The 9 series are not even listed yet and prices you find could be preorder scalping.
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