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meatpimp posted:Man, I thought bringing some context to the discussion would help. I mean sure, but CommieGIR does kind of have a point. One of the things that Trump's election has revealed is that the large part of American libertarianism is really kind of a sham. They aren't about small government, they're about using government as a lever to screw with people they don't like. Trump can carry on like a king as long as Mexicans are getting harassed and liberals are getting angry. That isn't to say that there aren't anti-authoritarian/minarchist ideologies and their adherents out there, but there's not really that many that have that as an end in itself, I don't think.
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I didn't vote for Trump (not that it would have mattered, as I still lived in Cali in November), but the only thing his election proved is that Clinton was a horrible horrible horrible candidate all the way 'round and that people get pissed enough to show up when they are continually called racist and deplorable. And that I hope he gets primaried in 2020, because I really don't want to have to vote for him over Booker or Harris or another one of the crazies that are gonna go up against him in 2020. You are a right social libertarian. Right: 4.68, Libertarian: 4.56
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Actually the only thing his election proved was that the right wing/republican party is nothing but a ghastly spite machine, and the backlash that the racist-core of that party felt as a result of being subjugated by a black man being president, in THEIR COUNTRY, for 8 years, was strong enough to elect literally the stupidest man in the world to president - as long as it owned the libs.
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ilkhan posted:but the only thing his election proved is that Clinton was a horrible horrible horrible candidate all the way 'round and that people get pissed enough to show up when they are continually called racist and deplorable. I don't like Trump, didn't vote for him, but drat if this isn't right. The loving morons running the Democratic party never took Trump seriously, never bothered to even address the people he was catering too (Bernie did, but I mean, it's Bernie). Then there's that whole Iowa caucus coin toss bullshit; What kind of system is that? A bullshit one. Some kind of recognition of a gently caress up would be nice, but will never happen. I feel like the basic party line this time around is just going to be more "Well yeah Trump sucks and his supporters are deplorable."
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There's also a huge issue with rural states being over represented and of course gerrymandering. I'm much more in favor of a representative democracy that actually follows what the majority dictates and that in other branches of government you have proportionate representation based on populations. With the system as it currently is living in a high population state or large city means your vote/say is worth less than that of the people living in more rural areas. I don't blame people feeling hopeless when it turns out their say doesn't matter because their voting district is gerrymandered to be majority conservative. The system is broken in the US and I don't see it getting better until the representation of the population is improved. Reading about US politics has been pretty  lately.
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Everyone who supports wanton guillotining should be guillotined. ...oh gently caress.
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QuarkMartial posted:I feel like the basic party line this time around is just going to be more "Well yeah Trump sucks and his supporters are deplorable." "This rabid orangutan is ripping everyone's face off, and we should do something about it" How about come up with a more catchy slogan before I start caring, amirite?
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Ether Frenzy posted:"This rabid orangutan is ripping everyone's face off, and we should do something about it" Bring back iambic pentameter. Or maybe a limerick? I'd settle for an acrostic, done rightly.
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there once was a dangerous ape who's party of choice condoned rape he liked piss tapes and golf and SCOTUS justices who ralph and then boofed the country until it could 'gape'
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Gingerbread House Music posted:Everyone who supports wanton guillotining should be guillotined. Who said it was wanton? We want to guillotine a very targeted bunch of assholees who have lead us all off the cliff. At the least, the Buggerup solution of jailing politicans and lobbyists because it just saves time is a good one.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Who said it was wanton? We want to guillotine a very targeted bunch of assholees who have lead us all off the cliff. Due process or go live in mexico/china/any other shithole.
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Gingerbread House Music posted:Due process or go live in mexico/china/any other shithole. Can we give them the "due process" most people receive? Strong-arm them into a confession with the threat of massively punitive punishment if they don't, and they get to meet their attorney for the first time five minutes before their trial begins - which is all the time said attorney has to prepare.
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QuarkMartial posted:I don't like Trump, didn't vote for him, but drat if this isn't right. The loving morons running the Democratic party never took Trump seriously, never bothered to even address the people he was catering too (Bernie did, but I mean, it's Bernie). Then there's that whole Iowa caucus coin toss bullshit; What kind of system is that? A bullshit one. Some kind of recognition of a gently caress up would be nice, but will never happen. remember republicans can call democrats every terrible thing under the sun but they have the right to be really upset forever because a lovely politician called them deplorable and yes hillary was an believably lovely candidate but you cant pretend that tons of republican voters would never vote for a democrat no matter who the candidate is OBAMNA PHONE fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Gingerbread House Music posted:Due process or go live in mexico/china/any other shithole. So.... a shithole like the USA, or you didnt you notice due process only really exists for drunk white frat boys? At least in Skippyland cops that shoot blacks get arrested and charged without a howling mob screaming for justice first.
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I'm still undecided between this for efficiency: Or if the guillotine is too quick of a method.
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Bajaha posted:I'm still undecided between this for efficiency: The French had the right idea, they just weren't thinking on a grand enough scale...
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Bajaha posted:I'm still undecided between this for efficiency: Actually the blade is the easy bit. There's industrial shear blades that can be retasked to suit the application. Also we can use the hydralics to raise the blade
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Actually the blade is the easy bit. There's industrial shear blades that can be retasked to suit the application. Also we can use the hydralics to raise the blade With enough speed, a taut wire is all you need anyway.
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Physical cutting surfaces? So 18th-century. What we need are those security lasers from Resident Evil.
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It would make more sense to section the blade anyway, for ease of maintenance. You'd have a primary beam and then a blade per head or three.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn80EAikqjs&t=60s I'm not necessarily posting this video in relation to any other discussions on this page, I just think it's neat.
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45.25" is the most common length of modern guillotine blade, actually. 115cm for my fellow non-Americans. They come in 54" or 137cm too.
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CommieGIR posted:That's what station Wagons are for. Congrats!
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64bit_Dophins posted:I would just get off facebook man it's seriously not worth it and your data is being mined just to make it worse. We’re now a two accord family, I have a 2014 Hybrid.
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 I should dig my copies of Trotsky's books out of storage Time to restart the Permanent Revolution
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The Door Frame posted:
https://twitter.com/mrfeelswildride/status/1014230951105159169
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ilkhan posted:people get pissed enough to show up when they are continually called racist and deplorable If someone calls you X, I think the idea is that you're supposed to try and prove them wrong. Unless you are X and proud of it, of course.
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Does that mean that you'll join me in creating the Fifth International?
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T-Square posted:Man, all of this politi-chat reminds me I have to have my birthday dinner later this month with my entirely Conservative and mildly racist family. GF and I are both decently left. Neither of us are religious either (she was brought up Catholic, I was brought up Baptist), while my mom and stepdad are Bible thumpers. We're having Thanksgiving dinner with my far right mother and stepfather  , staying the night there, then flying to our hometown for several days (turns out it's a shitload cheaper to fly out of Dallas vs Austin to our hometown, despite the distance being less from here to hometown).Flying to our hometown to see my dad and her mother. Dad considers himself "conservative" (as you'd expect from an older white guy who works in financial services), but is an avid NPR listener, can't stand Chester Cheeto, and isn't a fan of our current governor or senators in TX. Her mom is solid blue (as you'd probably expect from a retired university professor that didn't teach political science), and also an avid NPR listener + PBS viewer. I have a feeling our hometown visit will be a lot more pleasant. meatpimp posted:Alright, youse guys got me looking into it, and through the spectrum quizzes, I have shifted more left, but not extremist. The quiz below labeled me "You are a left moderate social libertarian."  5.59, 5.7, "left social libertarian". Didn't expect to score so high on the libertarian side, and expected to be a lot further left. 
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Pretty sure this is the level of discourse the social media bubble has marginalized and radicalized at the same time, a clever trick the Nazis pulled. Speaking of the Nazis... edit: when Adiabatic is in on the politics chat and ilkhan isnt taking neo-convservative pot shots with chud ammo, we got a pretty good thing coming. Just remember that libertarianism has a ridiculous oversimplification bent nowdays, which unless you actually studied the thought (I haven't), it breeds monsters. DJ Commie fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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The Door Frame posted:
Allow me to recommend some Kropotkin as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conquest_of_Bread
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Bob Woodward's new book just arrived at my library. I placed a hold on it the day I got my library card. I'm #1 in line once it goes from receiving to shelf. 
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Fender Anarchist posted:8.03/3.4, frankly I'm shocked I'm not more left wing. And presumably that's libertarian and not Libertarian, cause... hoo boy. Yeah, that question came across as loaded to me. While yes, there are some standards the government should set for moral behavior like 'don't loving lynch people for their race', there's a lot more it shouldn't be enforcing like 'it's not cool to refuse people medical care because your religion says so'. Also, 8.1/3.5.
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DJ Commie posted:Pretty sure this is the level of discourse the social media bubble has marginalized and radicalized at the same time, a clever trick the Nazis pulled. Speaking of the Nazis... So I'm a Punch the Nazi? Accurate. I have been advocating punch Nazis 24/7
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Finally a chart I can get behind. Pity the only government I could trust would be 10 clones of myself.
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 cakesmith handyman posted:Finally a chart I can get behind. Pity the only government I could trust would be 10 clones of myself.
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