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Lambert posted:I don't think that would help with verifying who called you if they spoofed the Caller ID. No, but I was at least able to know that it was a valid bank number that I could call at a later time and find out what was going on instead of just trusting the possible spoofed id call.
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By calling the legitamite number it would validate if I got a call from a spoofer. I received a phone call, I didn't like that I was asked for personal information so I hung up, researched the number on my bank's website, called the number, and realized there was an actual credit card fraud attempt.
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Llyd posted:I was planning on buying a 9700k/9600k to finally replace my 2500k and get some of that sweet soldered goodness but the prices here are mad: 9900k only €10 more than a 9700k? Bargain!
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BurritoJustice posted:Gigabyte confirmed to me that there will be no PLX motherboards from them this generation, looks like the Z390 Godlike is the only remaining hope for loads of PCIE with a 9900K and that's not known for sure yet. I want two 8x/16x for GPUs, 4x for thunderbolt, and hopefully minimum two accessible 1x for various other poo poo. Discussion from a few pages ago but Supermicro's got a consumer Z390 board with a PLX switch and additional beefed up power delivery to accommodate 140W consumption: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/53 EDIT: and it's not $600 The Asus WS Z390 Pro looks like it's going to have one too, given it's expansion layout: quote:4 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16 mode, triple at x16/x8/x8 mode or quad x8/x8/x8/x8 mode) Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Discussion from a few pages ago but Supermicro's got a consumer Z390 board with a PLX switch and additional beefed up power delivery to accommodate 140W consumption: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/53 EDIT: and it's not $600 Yo, the Asus board has the weird voodoo-juju I was looking for in PLX switch + thunderbolt and I hadn't noticed this as at all. Thank you for the necro! The supermicro has the 10g NIC over the ASUS which is nice but they left out the thunderbolt header for some stupid reason. Plus I can't get behind supermicro's look, it's caught in the middle of gamer and workstation and looks worse than both to me. Knowing ASUS it's gonna cost bogo-dollars though, their last mainline WS board was almost a grand here. E: Speaking of bogo-dollar ASUS boards, do we want to start taking bets on how many thousands this thing costs?  BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Llyd posted:I was planning on buying a 9700k/9600k to finally replace my 2500k and get some of that sweet soldered goodness but the prices here are mad: Same, the listed release prices are ridiculous and so are the 8th gen, £500 for the I7 9700k is insane. Edit: £375 for the 8700k so that's a hell of a markup. I guess when the benchmarks are out these might change to reflect the performance differences, if there are any... Edit 2: that £375 is some fly by night seller on amazon, real sellers are pricing at £450! Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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BurritoJustice posted:Yo, the Asus board has the weird voodoo-juju I was looking for in PLX switch + thunderbolt and I hadn't noticed this as at all. Thank you for the necro! The supermicro has the 10g NIC over the ASUS which is nice but they left out the thunderbolt header for some stupid reason. Plus I can't get behind supermicro's look, it's caught in the middle of gamer and workstation and looks worse than both to me. Looks designed to OC that 28 core Xeon unlocked processor. And looks like it can do it well. Crazy
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Paul MaudDib posted:There are no reviews yet but yes, you can pretty much expect this to just be Coffee Lake with two extra cores and solder. Maybe some minor changes to the cache system. There is also the sideband exploits for Hyper Threading. If I had to guess, the protections will kill some of the extra performance HT provides and then end result is maybe no net gain. In other words HT might be doomed if Intel can't properly secure it.
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redeyes posted:Looks designed to OC that 28 core Xeon unlocked processor. And looks like it can do it well. Crazy Yeah it's for that exact purpose, it's one of only two motherboards for that chip. Gigabyte makes the other. Now that Caselabs is dead, who even makes EEB motherboard cases anymore?
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8700K prices took a huge jump all over EU in the last few days of September. It was stable at around 340-350€ all year but then it suddenly jumped 100€ and now it’s either out of stock or 450€ everywhere. Not a great time to be buying Intel. You pretty much have to wait until the 9th gen prices drop.
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It wasn't too long ago where 200 for a cpu and 150 for a board was a solid build. Or am I remembering that wrong?
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Aeka 2.0 posted:It wasn't too long ago where 200 for a cpu and 150 for a board was a solid build. Or am I remembering that wrong? Sure, just get an 8400 or 2600. They're the smart buys anyways.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:It wasn't too long ago where 200 for a cpu and 150 for a board was a solid build. Or am I remembering that wrong? My 2500k cost £165 so nope, I remember thing s being cheaper too. Maybe I'll just stick with an i5 instead of going for an i7.
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Intel locked overclocking to expensive CPUs and a lot of people needed hyperthreading. CPUs without hyperthreading (until this generation) were in the 200 dollar range. I'm still on a 5820K with hyperthreading disabled in the bios because it makes the apps I use run worse by a few percent. Hopefully going to get a used 8 core processor for relatively cheap when I can use 8 cores and run that with HT disabled too. A AMD 2700 is a very good processor in the 200 dollar range too.
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https://youtu.be/6bD9EgyKYkU Nice job with that commissioned game performance report intel!
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So I guess I’ll hobble forward with my E3-1230 Sandy Bridge to pair with my 1080 Ti given the ludicrous prices. I had bought RAM and everything too when I had gotten a good deal on 2 sticks of 16GB DDR4 3200. Google will be getting more of my money than Intel in 2018 then. Bummer, have to figure out what to do with this unopened RAM then. Hell, maybe Samsung and Hynix will keep raising prices and I should hold? And why does this remind me more of day trading than building computers anymore? Intel seems to be trying to pull an Apple by testing the price sensitivity of its customer base. Thing is, the release event seemed aimed more at trying to appeal to rich and completely clueless gamers rather than content creation professionals or engineers. So I have no clue what is going on over at team Blue.
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necrobobsledder posted:So I guess I’ll hobble forward with my E3-1230 Sandy Bridge to pair with my 1080 Ti given the ludicrous prices. I had bought RAM and everything too when I had gotten a good deal on 2 sticks of 16GB DDR4 3200. Google will be getting more of my money than Intel in 2018 then. Bummer, have to figure out what to do with this unopened RAM then. Hell, maybe Samsung and Hynix will keep raising prices and I should hold? And why does this remind me more of day trading than building computers anymore? I'm sure Intel isn't exactly thrilled about this either. Their 10nm process is hosed which is causing massive shortages on 14nm capacity.
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Why does this say the 9th Gen has "up to 40" PCIe lanes? Are they counting HSIO in there, the existence of a PLX chip on a board, or did Intel sneak something more compelling into Z390?
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The ARK spec sheet for the 9900k says 16 lanes on expansion ports: https://ark.intel.com/products/186605/Intel-Core-i9-9900K-Processor-16M-Cache-up-to-5-00-GHz- They're probably counting internal lanes for NVMe, integrated NICs, integrated storage controllers, etc.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:It wasn't too long ago where 200 for a cpu and 150 for a board was a solid build. Or am I remembering that wrong? This post got me wondering how Intel CPU prices have fared over the years, so I went and put them together in a spreadsheet and made some charts. Here are the prices for the top-end "mainstream" parts in each generation, both original US MSRP and adjusted for 2018 dollars:  So the price of the top-end i7 has been pretty stable in real dollars, at least until the 9th generation, while the price of the top-end i5 has been creeping up (with the most notable jump being between the 3rd and 4th gen, probably because AMD stopped being a real competitor in that segment by that point). I also looked at the performance per dollar using the Cinebench R15 multi-threaded score as a proxy for performance (since that's a pure CPU benchmark and it's easy to find those scores):  So between generations the performance per real dollar has always improved and within each generation the performance has scaled pretty linearly with price. Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Why does this say the 9th Gen has "up to 40" PCIe lanes? "Up to 40" is the same language they've used since Kaby Lake/Z270. 16 from the CPU, and 24 more if paired with a Z270/370/390 board. Other SKUs offer lower number of lanes, Z170/H270/H370 only offer 20 more lanes max for example, which is where you get the "up to" part.
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B-Mac posted:https://youtu.be/6bD9EgyKYkU Don't miss the update post where they discover that the people who were doing the testing were probably running the 2700X in "game mode" which effectively disables half the cores. ("Game mode" is intended for Threadripper parts to force games to run on a single CPU die, effectively disabling half the cores, to avoid cross-die latency impact on memory access... mainstream Ryzen parts already only have one die so there's absolutely no reason to ever use that.) Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Mr.Radar posted:Don't miss the update post where they discover that the people who were doing the testing were probably running the 2700X in "game mode" which effectively disables half the cores. ("Game mode" is intended for Threadripper parts to force games to run on a single CPU die, effectively disabling half the cores, to avoid cross-die latency impact on memory access... mainstream Ryzen parts already only have one die so there's absolutely no reason to ever use that.) Yep. I bet that companies are always going to try and show off their product in the best possible light but that’s report is just so lovely.
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Tech Jesus is on the case, and is going to literally go knock on the benchmarking company's door today to ask them if they have a few moments to talk about  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mJMI_uaa8
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ItBreathes posted:Sure, just get an 8400 or 2600. They're the smart buys anyways. Over here the 8400 is almost as expensive as a 2700 and significantly more expensive than a 2600 or even 2600x Even the 8100 is almost the same price as a 2600x Here's how CPU prices look like on the biggest (by far) online retailer in my country  (to get prices in $ just divide by 4; also those prices include 19% VAT)
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TheFluff posted:Tech Jesus is on the case, and is going to literally go knock on the benchmarking company's door today to ask them if they have a few moments to talk about skip to 11:00 for the best part
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3peat posted:(to get prices in $ just divide by 4; also those prices include 19% VAT) Ouch. Looks like a 1600 is comparably priced but other than that, oof.
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In defense of Intel it sounds more like they just expected the typical wink wink nudge nudge kind of benchmarks that both companies do for their dumb press announcements and instead of doing that Principled Technologies just killed a hooker in the next room. We've all been there.
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Hold The Ashes posted:In defense of Intel it sounds more like they just expected the typical wink wink nudge nudge kind of benchmarks that both companies do for their dumb press announcements and instead of doing that Principled Technologies just killed a hooker in the next room. We've all been there.
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Rabid Snake posted:Yikes I haven�t. Ive seen stuff not reported but not misrepresented Conveniently leaving out anything that makes your product look bad is misrepresenting though. AMD was doing the same poo poo in the ten years they were completely irrelevant (in high end systems), the only difference is everybody knew it was bullshit and nobody really cared because they were fighting out of their league and people don't like dog piling on David when he's fighting Goliath. You can tell that guy was expecting some real poo poo to come his way and Steve just wins him over with professionalism Unrelated: Kind of lovely that Newegg's opening price for 9900k was $580. Not even Amazon went over $530. Hold The Ashes fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Well im glad *some* good came from it. It seems like that company really wanted to do the right thing.
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Being so used to gotcha journalism, Steve just sitting down for an unfiltered chat is fantastic. Dude seemed really agitated the whole time, and to Steve's credit he's not the type to come off as imposing or intimidating, just a guy who tries to be impartial. Not obfuscating the testing methodology at least is a positive thing by PT, even if the results are misleading to the uninitiated. For an impromptu interview it's pretty great. snickothemule fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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