Mailer posted:

This is why it's too difficult to explain to people on the outside that this is a dumpster fire with less functional "game" than some 30-minute baby's first flash coding attempt thing on Newgrounds. It all sounds like hyperbole because there's no way anyone else would unleash this sort of nightmare while sitting on a funding figure quickly approaching 200 million dollars. If you manage to get through to them the exact state of things then they say "wow, what a scam" but are still not quite grasping that it's also a cult and people keep dropping $27k on jpegs even with all the knowledge of the last eight years. If Crobberts has done one thing on a grand, unprecedented scale it's creating a situation where it's too difficult to explain how lovely it is.

Nicholas posted:

3.3 predictions

- ObjectContainerStreaming makes it in as tier-0. The real performance improvements come with next version. no one can accurately describe what it does.
- hurston makes it in. it's not much bigger than any of the existing moons, and just as barren.
- performance and stability tanks.
- "performance optimization" task is listed as completed anyway
- to make up for the performance hit of hurston, one (or more) of the existing moons are removed
- they state the reason for removing the moon is because they are beginning work on a second system (hype started)
- all the new ships make it in but do not include any new gameplay mechanics
- voip / foip pushed back
- hype started on some new feature not already listed on the roadmap. somehow fans will not consider this to be scope creep.


source: i am a game developer and i am posting from the future

G0RF posted:

I get the feeling Chris is pretty pissed at this point. In the AMD letter sort of way. His emails to backers just felt like a 50 year old toddler tantrum. Just like his Star Marine testiness back in early 2016.

Nobody understands the scale of his ambition. He’s annoyed at backers for grabbing pitchforks when he tried to grab their credit cards. Mad at critics for taking shots. Mad at meanies on Spectrum. Mad at Twitch chat mockery and annoyed at employees for not working harder, faster to realize his vision. Mad at guys like Double Damage for resurrecting the old Wing Commander spirit while he was too busy zombiefying it with Squadron 42. Mad at Crytek for their frivolous attempts to hold him back. Mad mad mad mad mad mad. Mad at everybody but himself because he’s been the only one doing everything right, while everyone around him took shots at him, wanted a piece, or just plain let him down.

Dante80 posted:

If there's a will there's always a way.

I've been looking very closely at all the most graphically realistic and immersive games and the various RPG and FPS games don't even come close to what CIG are attempting with SC.

I want to see it get all the way there, and can't imagine how they could possibly do it (100 systems fully developed including Earth) without the help of a powerful tool like AI, which could use Google mapping along with some futuristic flourishes to make the future Earth while learning about every different type of environment using the actual Earth as an analogue. The AI could then draw from that data base in it's creations of other words and systems, while becoming ever more detailed and immersive all the way along.The hand of the artists would never be removed since there's always the matter of preference and choice in what the AI produces.


With object container streaming, the digital objects built can have encoded info for haptic feedback in the gloves along with hand motion detection (better when talking with people to be able to move ones hands and arms), and retina blurr and focal point calibration based on what you're looking at via eye motion detection. Facial and hand and body motion detection tech is coming along very quickly now.

Chris could use his Intel connections to make it happen, while hiring on a couple of very talented people in each of those two fields, folks with links to Deep Mind and Oculus.

I don't see why not.
If I were Chris and CIG, I'd want to be thinking about how to get and stay ahead of the curve but in a way by far more extraordinary even than the big vision but only dimly realized.



2025-2030 would then be filled with gaming experiences and human interaction that we can hardly comprehend.

Gaming will never be the same when someone is smart enough to create a game like SC that fully incorporates these 2 leading edge technologies.

ZenMaster posted:

I just figured it out.


Rebel Galaxy:
Dock 10 sec
Play pool 5 min
Rearm 30 sec
Join guild 1 min
Grab mission 15 sec
Launch 10 sec
Travel 15 sec
Dog fighting 5 min
Collect goodies 2 min
Travel 2 min
Dogfight 3 min
Collect goodies 2 min
Fly back to space station 2 min
Sell stuff 1 min
Buy new ship 30 sec

Approx 20 min of gameplay

Star Citizen

Get out of wankpod 20 min


SC is genius, they will have INFINITE CONTENT

TheAgent posted:

they are gifting the gently caress outta ships right now lol

seriously just say you have a youtube account with a few subs and you can get a few k of ships to unload if you'd like

like normally it'd be a press account and locked to certain people but they are giving them out to private accounts, where you can do whatever the gently caress you want with them

welcome to the beginning of a gray market crash (although it seriously can't get much lower anyway)

posted:

I yesterday got the game gifted by a kind person or supermacs stream. Sadly, any attempt i make to download the game, wont let me play. Ive downloaded the launcher and 42gb of the game 4 times yesterday, trying different stuff (limiting dl speed, changing directory, purging it from my system then re downloading it) and every time it will tell me to install LIVE.846694, it will download almost 70mb, then go and install 190some mb and just loop. as in it will tell me to install the same exact version again.

Anyone have a fix for that?

posted:

Not a bug or accident.

A gifted package doesn't work until you make some small purchase. Right now you are not a backer because your package is gifted.

So buy some 5$ thing and it will work.

TheAgent posted:

also just lol

Insider posted:

Our "tracker" is an estimation of funding and does not reflect hourly totals of income; it is primarily used for showing progress towards Kickstarter "Stretch Goals" and nothing more.

feel free to quote the poo poo outta that, because CIG submitting that to court is going to make backers loose their fuckin minds

The Titanic posted:

The most consistent business income chart in history. For a crowd funded project it's a masterpiece of amazement. I'm sure it's 100% legit.

The Titanic posted:

I have this feeling CIG is going to come out of this so clean it's going to make people's heads spin, while they continue to shove art assets down peoples throats.

Scruffpuff posted:

I like that picture. It's a good illustration of how $200 million and believing you're a game developer can create an incredibly realistic Famous Game Developer Playset yet produce absolutely nothing.

People who point to the offices and activity therein as proof this is not a scam may as well be claiming Hobbits are real because they can go to New Zealand and visit the film set.

It's key to remember that the $200 million is free money, not earned income. They are not a business - they're a charity. At best.

Scruffpuff posted:

quote:

"Going in the red-zone is a lot more detrimental in space, because once the rock explodes the pieces will end up going in every direction. Since this is space they take a while to stop, with no ground to stop them."

can someone please explain space to these people.

Holy poo poo.

See I learn a lot in this thread. On Earth things stop because ground. That's why when I throw a ball up, it goes forever.

Quavers posted:

The Titanic posted:

"Oh your version isn't running well? Well you're in the non-OCS version!"

"Oh you are seeing great performance? That's because you're on the OCS version!"

And really there is no difference between the versions but hey, it might make people feel better.

lofi posted:

Schroedinger's Taint Streaming

Pierson posted:

is there a big list somewhere of "features Star Citizen promised" lined up with "the game that actually achieved this feature"?

Beet Wagon posted:

Boo Huxley is hell bent on coming over to /refunds like twice a weak to drop the lamest possible owns she can on people, and I got tired of responding, so we set up an automoderator rule to do it for us.



It replies to every post of hers, and the link takes you to the thread where she was like "I have not been run off of a dozen forums for being a Star Citizen shill, prove it!" and then a bunch of people did and she ran away

It loving enrages her, captainwhoeverthefuck, and apparently vertisce now, which makes it the best idea I've ever had besides getting Kayak lmao


I love that vertisce is mad that our automoderator is doing exactly what he spends his time doing in /r/starcitizen - calling out the Bad Men so people ignore them.

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:

I love how pissy even seem of the most optimistic backers are getting trying to keep those rose-colored glasses on their face.

The Titanic posted:

Q: can we get a functional game and a working flight model?

A: What the gently caress is wrong with you? Do you know how loving hard video games is to make. We can't even think about stupid low tier poo poo like that until OCS and RTV and POH is anywhere near done! And those are all at [edit]97% completion across the board and are almost ready[/edit] So take this dumb request away because you're just going to stress out the loving developers working [edit]normal business hours and not any time over holidays or weekends[/edit] and some of those guys haven't seen their families [edit]since 8am this morning when they came in happily to work[/edit].

Q: Can we get some new 4K underwear on our mans? Oh also I want a whole new system dedicated to orthodontics!

A: This is a totally legitimate request and we will start working on this right away. Our new procedural teeth technology is going to blow you away. If you don't brush twice daily, a bad breath meter will rise, and people will treat you worse. Your teeth will also slowly turn yellow and develop cavities. Also we can't wait to unveil our new line of RSI undergarments! We even have frilly bras for the female characters that are right around the corner! Thank you for this awesome question! See you in the verse!

Scruffpuff posted:

They really do get pissy when the question is about something concrete like "making the game we paid for" and it gets dreamy and excited when the question is "fluff theorycrafting bullshit."

The Titanic posted:

Chris was upstaged by Double Damage, and when their poo poo tier game looks like it kicks Star Citizen's rear end, and they go after him directly in their marketing, and they also show over an hour of somebody actually playing the game; and people loving love it, he's going to up the score.

Expect this year to be wildly different where Star Citizen redefines itself as a market leader, taking these other games by the horns and kicking their asses.

This is your reminder to keep your video capture software handy and ready. Citizen Con will be featuring Chris Roberts playing with some of the backers who show up.

The usual "let's look at this PowerPoint ah heh heh funding ah heh um commercial for a ship ah heh. Um.. buy this thing!" Will be replaced with actual content.

G0RF posted:

I think right now Chris is mad at everyone and everything and is operating under “I’ll show YOU!” logic. I think he’s in a different state of mind than in prior years.

Everybody has written him off, Cyberpunk and all that other stuff are getting all the free hype and buzz that once was his. Indie games are taking the piss and resurrecting the feel of his prior games to rapturous praise. I think it infuriates him that he’s had to apologize (self-absolve) and spend so much time defending himself this year from all corners.

He is pissed he’s been written off, pissed that E3 subjected his fanmade trailer to “scam citizen” mockery. Pissed that the world moved on without him and I think he’s sharply focused on punching back at CitizenCon.


All you bastards are going to pay for doubting him! And you believers who didn’t pay for his paywalled livestream are going to pay, too, for not believing enough! If CitCon 2018 had a theme, it’s The Imperium Strikes Back.

Brace yourself for the blinding Hollywood star power of Squadron 42 — this time, with gameplay for a change. And maybe even a year late roadmap with a brand new, totally serious this time release date! ....Maybe?

The Saddest Robot posted:

Physics engine is a different beast since the game engine does retrieve values from it. So if you are taking 64 bit values, downgrading them to 32 bit, feeding those 32 bit values into the physics engine, pulling 32 bit values out of the physics engine, and promoting those 32 bit values back to 64 bit you are essentially losing almost all of the benefits of having 64 bit precision. You would end up with things like Kerbal Space Program's "Kraken", where things start wobbling/shifting around frame by frame. Or physics will become erratic and unpredictable.

I refuse to believe that a development team that has failed to deliver Object Container Streaming or whatever the gently caress for 2 years straight has successfully upgraded/rewritten huge chunks of a physics engine to work with 64 bit values. Physics engines are complicated - I only vaguely understand the maths and theories involved. It's not a simple "force * mass divided by acceleration" or whatever, there's crazy math that makes my eyes bleed and insane optimizations going on under the hood.

It is my opinion that if a team had been able to truly upgrade a physics engine to 64 bit and keep it performant and bug-free then something like OCS should be child's play. I know physics and networking are wildly different beasts, but the skills and expertise needed to work on or rewrite a physics engine would indicate that you are a Hot poo poo Developer.

Virtual Captain posted:

I spoke a little bit about this on the podcast but CIG does everything manually. So the simple act of re-sizing a level or 3d assets turns into a huge task for a number of reasons:
• CIG doing things backwards, has to also wrestle with re-texturing because of course everything has been textured to meet Chris' approval
• They probably have x2-x5 more assets in one pre-alpha level than any sane developer would in a release ready level. Again cart-before-the-horse screenshot first development is a likely culprit
• Probably no tooling knowhow to resize assets outside of re-exporting the Maya/3DStudio model and editing every xml file by hand. They have nobody with actual skills beyond artistry. So of course instead of scripting a resize, they just have the army of artists re-export/import it all.


Now what would have been a simple 1 day re-size is a 1000+ hour job because you wasted weeks on polishing a demo level to look pretty.

ggangensis posted:

And the best thing is: Even if the most productive thing she has ever done in her life was participating in tickle porn she still won't need to go to work again for a single day, even if CIG is long gone. Same goes for Chris and his entourage.
There is no way they can't keep the money they paid themselves as salary since "they tried to deliver the bdsse". They will, a few years down the road, announce that they can't continue developing SC and SQ42 due to technical limitations or some poo poo and thats basically it. Remaining whales will say "drat, poor Chris, he tried but didn't stand a chance against the the haters/the bad press/derek smart/lame tech nvidia and intel are providing" or something along those lines, a few people will be midlly pissed off and neither Chris, Erin nor Sandi will work in this industry again. But who cares (hint: they won't), they became multimillionaires over this.

I can literally imagine Sandi looking at her bank account thinking "Man, what luck... I can't believe how stupid these people are...". With Chris its probably another story, he might still think he really deserves all the money and might even have good intentions, but who knows at this point?

Yes, I am salty. They found another loophole, basically scamming nerds out of money, keeping it via their salary and its all perfectly legal. If you scam old ladies out of money on the phone or the door and get caught you certainly won't keep the money from that, but Sandi and Chris will, no matter how this ends.

space-X-chicken posted:

the reddit snippets we get here look like a bunch of bots chatting with each other seriously. its like always the same text blocks endlessly rearranged + seasoned with the current buzzword.

will this really go on until eternity?
until the king of all cosmos wraps it all up in a giant katamari??

Scruffpuff posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/1042108654651158528


* Speed is not leveraged as a gameplay mechanic
** Safety does not exist as a gameplay mechanic
*** Reliability does not exist as a gameplay mechanic
**** Delivery does not exist as a gameplay mechanic
***** Have you stupid motherfuckers noticed yet that each thing (that doesn't exist) in this game requires a specialized ship? Of course you haven't - keep paying you stupid inbred pieces of human waste. Your money is rightfully ours.
****** Promotion ends tonight! Limited time only to get literally loving robbed by a fraud who was forcibly removed from two industries for ineptitude!
******* Here's an unrelated picture that has absolutely no relation whatsoever to anything we've done at any time.

Ponzi posted:

If you follow the link from Twitter to the RSI website, there's some guff about two violent criminals. I noticed this bit in particular:

"Two of the Empire's most wanted, Alexandria Dougan and Mas Houlan, are presumed to be hiding in the Banu Protectorate, most likely somewhere within Bacchus, or a connecting system."

The Bank Protectorate doesn't exist.
Bacchus doesn't exist.
A connecting system doesn't exist.

It's all fantasy.

Mr Fronts posted:

IcarusUpHigh posted:

Broke-brained people man, jesus h christ...



I too am pleasantly suprised with the ship ONLY costing $650

Virtual Captain posted:

posted:

They're exactly like those middle age housewives who buy into some multi-level marketing scheme peddling cosmetics expecting the world and no matter how much time and money they waste, they'll cut anyone out of their lives who dares point out the scam.

And doesn't Star Citizen have referrals and poo poo already? It's one step away from literally being MLM.

Scruffpuff posted:

I'm still wrapping my head around the idea of a "convention" for a company that:

- Has no game
- Has no idea for a game beyond a vague concept of "space, maybe"
- Has never shipped a single title
- Has no source of income beyond charity

So the backers lumber in, sit down to watch Powerpoint and on-rails "demos" of the worst game design ever shown to mankind, and they think they're celebrating... what, exactly? Do they really not realize that this "convention" is basically an Amway convention? A shitload of astroturfing and lying while CIG begs them to open their wallets? The entire convention itself only exists to further the illusion that CIG is a game development studio, because real ones have their own conventions, so CIG having one proves they makes games too.

Despite there being no game, or idea, or design, or code, or anything that could eventually be assembled into a game. Just virtual space colorforms playsets in almost 3D, and which don't work even as that.

I remember reading some huge article years ago about Daikatana and the incredible failure of every level of that disaster, and thinking "wow, that's history now, that'll never be topped." And somewhere in the distance, a thumb-headed moron was saying, "Hold my beer."

trucutru posted:

-"Hold my beer" - Duke Nukem Forever.
-"No, you hold my beer" -

A Commando posted:

I feel like I'm getting kicked in the nuts every 3 months

lofi posted:

When is CitiCon or whatever it's called?

lofi posted:

When is CitiCon or whatever it's called?

Beet_Wagon posted:

I've never really understood the "why are you even here" comments that happen in this sub a lot. Whether you believe in it or not, Star Citizen is an interesting phenomenon. It's the largest crowdfunded game of all time, and approaching the top budgets for any video games, marketing excluded. It is a dizzying array of huge numbers, from "promises made" to "poly count on a single asset" and of course there's the "90s gaming god come back to life" angle too. Pretty much any way you slice it - whether you're looking for schadenfreude or not - Star Citizen is an immensely interesting project

space-X-chicken posted:

You often hear that EvE is some sort of social experiment but INSIDE the game. sc is a social experiment OUTSIDE the game.

Citcon posted:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/npc-indenturing

Just your daily "can I enslave people in star citizen?" thread.

Pixelate posted:

posted:

[Redacted because i realized i was conversing with SA trolls]

Patch notes excerpt posted:

All mission givers are not functioning currently.
The Rest Stop is currently missing many interior elements and landing pad functionality.
Automatically opening interior doors on ships are currently not working.
Patrol missions do not start.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Enjoy the game where you can't get any missions, can't use the doors in your ship, can't select your ship (maybe) but GODDAMN WE HAVE WATERMELONS

Scruffpuff posted:

These patch notes are incredible. They've broken practically everything in trying to jam in a few half-assed fixes to parts of the "game" that never worked in the first place, and wouldn't be workable in a game even if they did. More proof of two things we've been saying here for years:

- When CIG rushed their fake model-viewer app out in Dec. 2015 to lie about it being "the game" so they could deny refunds, it was a hot mess that couldn't be built on and had long ago reached the stage of irreducible complexity. These patch notes are the symptoms of that terminal illness.

- CIG isn't doing poo poo with the PU anyway because Thief in Chief only cares about Squadron 42, the game nobody pledged or paid for. Remember, backers, your money is actually Chris's and he doesn't have to use it for what you gave it to him for. He can use it for whatever he wants. Bend over further, backers, because your Thumb Lord is too stupid and inept to even do the thing he wants to do, so you're not even getting SQ42.

Dante80 posted:

SC: A hodgepodge of band-aids applied into a cornucopia of pain.

Tokamak posted:

The art in the new truckstop has a familiar feel
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6u4rhn

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Who the gently caress came up with the process to holster your weapon?

Activate interaction mode.
Mouse over your gun.
Select an option from a menu.

Are you loving serious?

Quavers posted:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6u4h79

Revolutionary FPS AI

posted:

Mabye they use Q-learning and wll learn to become better as we test them. We call them dummies and laugh at them now, but in a yearm they will be the ones laughting at us.

Squiddite posted:

Synthworld, a lost kernel of stupidity in the sea of turds that make up Star Citizen's tragically dumb lore:

Terraforming planets is very easy, according to Chris Roberts - so easy, in fact, that according to their lore timeline his Mary Sue company RSI (the in-universe one, not the real one you sue for a refund) invented terraforming long before humanity had even invented interstellar travel. It's so trivial that there are no domed colonies in the lore of Star Citizen - they just plop down some terraforming gizmos onto a new world whenever they feel like doing a little mining, because it's cheaper to terraform an entire planet than to drill in pressure suits.

So naturally the human empire gets bored of all this terraforming because it's too easy and decides to build a planet from whole cloth instead. The empire's plan was to create a giant secret planet in the backwater of space, build it from mineral donations from private freighters who were all somehow clueless to the big secret, and then force a shitload of people to colonize it so that it suddenly wasn't a backwater anymore. Then they'd cancel all the wars they'd started with literally every other alien species and give them the planetbuilding technology for free - on the basis that the massive resource expenditure from strip-mining real planets to make a fake one would end the need to fight each other for, uh, those very resources.

Sadly, somewhere along the way the project was scrapped because the entire empire was overthrown when a couple people started a riot at a terraforming outpost, which just goes to show that you just can't please everyone.

The only thing CIG really has to show for all this lore-writing effort is a low-resolution jpeg that looks, well, judge for yourself, but I think you can guess which movie Chris Roberts had watched that week:


In any case I'm sure you'll agree that the story of a pointless vanity project with self-defeating and contradictory goals that inevitably overran its budget and survives off a trickle of donations from private citizens bears no ironic relationship to Star Citizen whatsoever.

PederP posted:

The version of CryEngine they based everything on has a multiplayer library which is awful in many different ways - even for a map-based game with a handful of players.

They're trying to use an engine which is full of horrible abstractions, horrible architecture, horrible dataformats and all kinds of horrible - to make something it absolutely cannot do. The many hacks to make it look it might work has made everything even more horrible.

They would have to start completely from scratch designing an actual MMO architecture. It doesn't matter what hacks and band-aids hide behind their buzzword vomit. Don't try to make sense of them.

Also, JSON and XML have absolutely no place in a game engine outside of the production pipelines. Keep those protocols and dataformats binary and beautiful.

PederP posted:

A short effortpost/rant about why it doesn't matter what optimizations and fixes they make:

Very roughly speaking multiplayer games can be architected in one of two ways:

1. Players run a client which presents state as given by a server, but which has no authority itself. Player actions are sent to the server to be incorporated into the global state, but the client only does simulation and state tracking for gameplay reasons (dead reckoning, lag compensation, rubberbanding, preloading resources, etc.). The server has a model of the world, but an attempt is to limit or eliminate any knowledge of the nitty-gritty of the client software (animations, models, etc.).

2. Players run a client which functions by synchronizing state directly with a server and/or other players. The networked state is encapsulated inside various entities and systems - and there is little to no decoupled world state which the client has to interpret and use to build a presentation. The presentation is the state.

An example to illustrate the difference:
Player B flies his spaceship into sensor distance of Player A.

1) The clients are given "abstract" data updates - there is enough information to determine what ship model to load and where to put it, but all data is essentially decoupled from the nitty-gritty of the engine. There is no "binding", because each client is just displaying data given to it. If you wanted to, you could essentially have different clients connected: like a decouple AI server agent, a webpage showing ship positions in some system, a statistics system building hotspot data for player activity, etc.

2) Players A and B are told to spawn a new network-bound entity to represent the other player. Whenever state of A and B changes in their client software, the property updates are sent to the server which forwards them to the other client. This has the advantage that no special protocols need to made, no special simulation needs to run on the server, and you can use a modified client as the server. You can go full peer-to-peer or you can have a server mediator to sanity check and prevent cheating. But you have a challenge in determining synchronization granularity and frequency. It's also much harder to have NPCs and non-trivial AI actors with this approach.

MMOs should never pick option 2. It doesn't matter if they implement fantastic Bind Culling, OCS, Serialized Variables, etc. The approach is anathema to an MMO with a persistent world, a high PC/NPC actor count and massive scale.

They're building the state synchronization into the completely wrong layers. And they're not the first or last to do this. Most game engines have a basic multiplayer game implementation with state synchronization because it's relatively easy to create, doesn't involve maintaining dedicated server software and is agnostic to the genre of the game.

You can build impressive prototypes (and some very specific types of games) with a state synchronization architecture - but if you're doing an MMO, you need to scrap that thing and build server software which is (at least in principle) engine agnostic. CIG never took this step.

If you're backing a crowdfunded MMO the #2 thing you need to look at to see if it's viable (#1 is the presence of known scam artists) - is whether they're building proper servers. It's much less important what engine they're using than whether they're able to build a custom server architecture - and are doing so early on.

To sum up: it doesn't matter how much they optimize the CryEngine network engine. It doesn't even help if they rip it out completely and rewrite it from scratch. The only way for them to deliver an MMO is to start making MMO servers. But that cannot be retrofitted into their current codebase, and would probably require throwing away the majority of it.

Zaphod42 posted:

Yep. The architecture is simply wrong, and the people doing work are working at too low a level on one component to see that it won't really work all put together, at scale.

They need someone at the top with the foresight and/or experience to say, "hey, this is the wrong approach, stop that and I'll design a better architecture and then you can build components for that design"

But the people at the top are all incompetent, so they just tell the low level developers to keep hammering away because evetually enough brute force will just make it happen, right?

Every day CIG actually digs itself deeper into a neverending pit of tech debt.

They are like 200 million dollars in debt to the code bank.

Someone said before that CIG have less than nothing, a new game starting today would be better off than SC is. And that's absolutely true.

TheAgent posted:

chris didn't choose anything; he had friends aboard crytek (even their own legal council) and they made a demo for him for free, the only requirement is that he use and promote cryengine

he wasn't strolling around with tens of millions yet; he was a disgraced nobody with a small cult following in germany and a lot of people willing to do or say anything to make a buck

he didn't understand anything about the engine itself, beyond it was free

of course he even hosed that up pretty rightly, but hey

chris roberts

Scruffpuff posted:

Lots of keyboard jockeys on this page that don't understand game development. Look, this is how it is: you make a ship, and if you have fidelity, then it's a ship in game. Do you follow so far? OK, so you have a ship, and fidelity, then you put in struts and rivets. Sometimes you take out a seat. And then the wings move, and there's smoke and dust somehow on a space deck in a vacuum, forget all that because fidelity and immersion. So far we're making a game, do you see? Then you put in more art assets. Sometimes you render a high resolution tongue and eyelashes and shoelaces - when you do that, that's how an FPS becomes more lethal and the gameplay flows from that fidelity.

Then you make more art, and you put the spaceman and his eyelashes next to the ship and its struts. Then, take the spaceman that's next to his ship, and you put him in his ship. This is fidelity, and it is also immersion, and you see now a little more about how we're making a space game.

Because now we have pipelines.

Then you make asteroids, shotguns, and watermelons. You make this high fidelity, and that makes the game work. Now there are lasers and missiles, and these things work in a game because the artist made them with lots of polygons. Those polygons translate directly into orbits and day/night cycles and planets.

Once the artists are done with all of that, then you have cities, sandworms, and tanks. Then physics happens.

This all comes into play because you're making sure your artists are rendering the leather jackets enough times. The higher the fidelity, the more immersion the game has, which translates directly to fun and also incidentally makes everything work in tandem.

Also there are space battles. They happen because we already drew spaceships, missiles, and lasers, not to mention the commando, so all the parts are in play and then the game is nearly done. The flight model is basically when your commandos hand moves the stick - that's what makes the ship fly - and you see that it was obvious all along. Pulling the trigger fires the gun, you see? That's what game development is. That's what you're all getting wrong.

A Commando posted:

FaceOverIP is enabled.

IT IS ALSO NOT READY FOR TESTING.



Worth Clicking: jittery FaceOverIP video

posted:

Do u guys freakin know what this freakin means? Foip will be the beginning of real movies created in the star citizen universe. Directors mode plus Foip is machinima creators wet dream! I'm excited!!!

Beet Wagon posted:

The posters that come in here and mock Star Citizen or poke fun at the biggest rubes among the backer base are doing it because they think it's funny, or because they're fed up with the project. Nobody - not even me, the 'refunds guy' - cares even the slightest bit about turning people off of the game, or converting backers into doubters. I'll say it again for good measure: nobody cares what anyone here does with their money or whether or not they support the game. The so-called 'refund cascade,' the 'FUD,' the whole lot of all that nonsense is wholly and completely the creation of the paranoid minds of /r/starcitizen.

Hav posted:

Top referers get an extra hour in the bear-hulud pit.

NLJP posted:

I thought for a bit that the lol mines might have collapsed

Beet Wagon posted:

so, so glad this is took priority over "make the spaceships fly" lol

reddit is loving eating it up though, of course

Dark Off posted:

TheAgent posted:

I needed a laugh after today

Daztek posted:

https://twitter.com/RebelGalaxy/status/1045402852120657921

lol

boviscopophobic posted:

AdzAdama appears to be having another mini-crisis of faith, which he will surely promptly forget about again once Citcon rolls around.

boviscopophobic posted:

That's how they punch above their weight.

colonelwest posted:

The new narrative from the Citizenry is already starting to emerge. "Star Citizen Beta will launch in late 2020 with only Stanton finished (1/100 star systems 4 years late)... But that's great! Because it will have 10X more content than any AAA game ever! And those pipelines will have finally matured by 2020, so CIG will be churning out a new star system every week!"

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

Wow, they are cranking out NPCs at a blistering pace of 1-2 per year. I'd love to see another developer try to make NPCs that fast. At this rate SC will have at least 6 NPCs by 2025!

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/9jr99k/stanton_has_arrived_five_days_early





Just imagine that kid in 20 years- "Stanton? That's an unusual name, what's it from?" "Oh it's from this game that failed in development way back in 2019. 2020?"

Dogeh posted:

Fudster would be a great name for a kid.
I'm calling my kid Goonie Fudster from now on

posted:

I don't want to be that guy, but after seeing FOIP in action I now think we must now also get BOIP in the future

Body Over IP (BOIP). It sounds better than Arms Over IP and less creepy than Hands Over IP. Simply, with all that will be coming through our face with FOIP it would be almost a crime to have our characters arms hanging lifelessly at our sides.

Just think about it. How many of us usually gesticulate frantically while talking? How do I give a properly Shakespearean speech or mission briefing with my limbs dangling aimlessly? How do I fulfill my lifelong dream of being a lounge singer on a Phoenix if I cannot pantomime tickling those ivories? How do we throw up the horns? How do I drunkenly slosh my glass around in a bar? How do I streak through Arc Corp doing the Funky Chicken? How does the game algorithmically see only our middle fingers are extended and apply a blur effect to our hands like we're being censored in prime-time?

So let us have a two camera solution - one doing close focus on our face and a lower res / slower update one out a distance watching our arms - or utilize a Leap Motion, VR motion controllers...something . The number of track points needed would be surprisingly low - relative elbow position, wrist position and rotation, finger joint (x10), finger tip (x10), finger splay. When your arms are down on M+KB (or other device) or your character is holding equipment, you would disable BOIP.

It may not be the matching FOIP feature we need, but it is the feature we deserve. Along with FOIP, BOIP would add a tremendous range of streaming/video opportunities and social benefits. (and yes, a wee bit of trolling)

Nyast posted:

Forget BOIP, DOIP is the real deal.

Viscous Soda posted:

Both of those sentiments portray the beginnings of a desperation that now you see in full bloom in SOTA or Pathfinder Online. The remaining "believers" realize that they'll never get the game that they dreamed of, but they want any small crumb of it they can get. But, since they're obviously not going to get their dream game, they're obviously not going to put any more of money forward, so the key is to get other peoples money to prop up the project.

And that's why I think even among the remaining Star Citizen "faithful", most have actually lost their faith. Every refund represents fewer salvaged crumbs of their dream game, so of course refunds being denied should be celebrated. To fit it into your analogy, the faithful still strapped in fully realize they're in a flaming wreck at this point, but they're hoping that if someone (else) changes a tire or... something, they'll at least get part way to where they were going.

Beet Wagon posted:

posted:

take ocs and hurston off of there because they arent accurate anymore

hurston is almost done and ocs's progress is very good and basically the only thing left is to take out the bugs

Combat Theory posted:

Fact: I have spent more time actually playing star citizen than the majority of the star citizen streamers combined (since I was there for gameplay and not to get Internet famous) and there is not a single gameplay element that has been significantly improved (if not outright made worse) since a steady stream of actual game designers and engineers has left cig since 2014/15 and has been replaced by youngsters with a submissive attitude, no experience and no scientific background to shoulder the workload of even attempting the mathematics of laying out the requirements for what claims has been the grand SC vision.

Daztek posted:

REPLY IN SUPPORT OF NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Dismiss SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT IN PART 42 filed by Defendants Cloud Imperium Games Corp., Roberts Space Industries Corp. (Goldman, Jeremy):
https://docdro.id/gyyGc4q

JOINT REPORT Rule 26(f) Discovery Plan ; estimated length of trial 5-10 Days, filed by Plaintiff Crytek GmbH.. (Pak, James):
https://docdro.id/iucXCm0

BluesShaman posted:

That's a long way away.

Keep pledging!

Virtual Captain posted:

==CryTek continues to push for discovery==

lofi posted:

Nah, they'll keep pushing the court date back while they add more features.

Scruffpuff posted:

Chris Roberts: "OK here is an absolute swill generic storyline, a "lore" outline, and whatever else I stole wholesale from movies and things I saw."

CIG: "Well, here's the thing, Mr. Roberts... there's no game to put them in."

Chris Roberts: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!? I've given you guys EVERYTHING!!! I mentioned ships, I told you about the shoelaces, I said "more fidelity" over and over and over again. I've been wracking my brain making sure this guy has enough leather jackets, and stealing as many ideas as I could and presenting them as my own. Do I have to do loving EVERYTHING?!? I've given you EVERYTHING you need to make this game. I even did motion capture with HOLLYWOOD ACTORS™ and you guys don't have a game to plug it into yet? You're all loving fired!"

iron buns posted:

Remember how the backers used to make graphs comparing the development times of other games to Star Citizen?

I wonder why they stopped.

Bubbacub posted:

The last time they showed capital ships fighting it looked less exciting than an unmodded Freespace 1 mission. And they played it twice in a row for some reason.

Koil posted:

Beexoffel posted:

On the tracker, the number of promises has gone down from 574 to 522.
https://starcitizentracker.github.io/
Has Chris canceled fidelitous toilet flushing mechanics etc., or have some promises been bundled together?

Virtual Captain posted:

Wrote the code to move all the ships off the main page like 3 months ago but the other "Goons" haven't filled all the gameplay gaps this leaves in the spreadsheet. Got tired of waiting:


https://starcitizentracker.github.io/presskit/removing_ships/index.html

quote:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(Re)moving All Ships - 2018.10.03
As part of our ongoing optimization process, the StarCitizen Tracker team has decided to make some changes to the main page layout. These changes are intended to improve the readability of the main page and reduce extraneous information.

Whereas StarCitizen Tracker is primarily concerned with an accurate and concise overview of gameplay expectations, information regarding the completion of simple assets will be displayed less prominently starting today.

The first and primary change will be to move information regarding ships off the main page and onto starcitizentracker.github.io/ships. Other assets may follow in due course such as planetary systems. Information regarding ships and their playable status is often better served by several other great fansites in any case. starcitizen.tools/Category:Ships stands out in our mind.

With regards to these changes, careful consideration is being taken in cases where assets have specific features related to it. For example, if certain ships are closely linked to in-game features (such as "Data transportation" or "Refuelling") then those features will be listed on the main page individually so as not to affect the ease of use and completeness.



A reminder, StarCitizen Tracker is a crowdsourced project so if you spot any errors or have a suggestion, please submit them. We do get regular messages when new ships are introduced or become flyable, but unfortunately, feedback regarding new features and updated elements has been less forthcoming. Your assistance in this matter will allow us to continually improve and refine the site experience and is greatly appreciated.

-Signed, the StarCitizen Tracker team

Beexoffel posted:

Splitting mechanics from graphics objects seems a good idea. Seeing as the new tally gives a lower completion percentage, it demonstrates that graphical objects were relatively farther along than gameplay.

Viscous Soda posted:

For how much CIG will bring in this October
I'm going to guess all the money... ever. The world economy will collapse and be replaced a by spaceship JPG based barter economy. Crobberts will be made ruler of the world and a new enlightened age will be ushered in... well it will when we hit World Government leaves tier 0.

Scruffpuff posted:

CIG's entire playbook is pretty much this set of events on infinite loop:

- Claim to be able to do something
- Fail to do it
- Find something simple and unrelated that they can do
- Start to do it
- Overhype it
- Give it a buzzword
- Claim it's a critical foundational step/represents overcoming a blocker
- Make it sound harder than it is
- Lie about how nobody else has done it
- Fail to do it despite its simplicity
- Claim it's in but in a Tier-0 state but now it has enabled progress
- Take something the backers are doing and call it a mechanic
- Repeat

Koil posted:

Around the verse tl;dr:

Blue On Blue posted:

I'm the CEO of a 200 million dollar company with the hair style of a 5 year old that just woke up

big nipples big life posted:

*looks at what CIG has accomplished in 7 years*

*is confident they will be able to produce a super advanced AI that is nearly indistinguishable from real life*

posted:

We need handshake gameplay. For example, walking to an NPC, if you handshake emote, based on their current emotional state, they may accept or refuse. For example, more likely to accept in a bar, but less likely to accept in a prison cell, or while working.

Successful handshakes raise your personal rep with NPC. After a certain point, they will accept handshakes always, and also nod or wave when you walk by. At this point, they no longer raise rep when you handshake them, though repeated handshakes will annoy and drop rep. You can continue to raise rep by buying individual drinks, or bringing them gifts, or buying their wares.

At a certain point, you unlock hugs. Hugging the individual raises your rep with the NPCs allies who are present to witness the hug. This can help repair damaged reps, as well as unlock rep building with secretive groups, gangs, or security guards for a building. But be careful, hugging mobsters in front of police or journalists can lower your rep with lawfuls.

Foo Diddley posted:

Congrats on coming up with a dumber character name than "Old Man" or "Pusher", tho. CIG's really pushing the boundaries with Arden Arden here

Foo Diddley posted:

Store Citizens thought they were going to outsperg Wikipedia editors, lol

Scruffpuff posted:

I'm always torn between wanting to see Chris go down for his arrogance and corresponding ineptitude, and wanting the backers to keep losing their money. There aren't many times in history you see people administering their own richly-deserved punishment, and I'd hate to see it end so soon.

Amazing Zimmo posted:

https://twitter.com/FacewareTech/status/1048225907952013312

peter gabriel posted:

"Something will happen at some point I think perhaps I dunno"
- Generic Internet User

SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

I stumbled across this the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U57cqs5Uzlc
"By the time star citizen comes out I'll be a senior citizen"

lol

Citcon posted:

Another day,

another spectrum thread requesting slavery mechanics

Trading Captured-players

Koil posted:

flight model is poo poo, doors do not work, the obvious question to the devs at this point is:

vyst posted:

Whats really hosed up is what would happen if CIG started offering "slave packages" where you could have female slave NPC's. The hosed up sadbrained backers would fund this game for eternity

Citcon posted:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/npc-indenturing

Just your daily "can I enslave people in star citizen?" thread.

A Commando posted:

"Slavery, racism, species-ism and cruelty must absolutely have a place in Star Citizen."

big nipples big life posted:

This space dogfighting game doesn't have enough rape and slavery in it.

happyhippy posted:

lol arguing that you should be allowed to transport beings in a game that can't transport a box.

Colostomy Bag posted:

The lack of lust and rape mechanics are usually why I refund games.

Blue On Blue posted:

CIG's instagram is great, it's 90% people calling poo poo a waste of money and a scam

Wise Learned Man posted:

I think CIG's permabans only last ten years though, which in hindsight is a pretty hilarious bit of optimism on their part.

The Titanic posted:

The only question is: what ridiculously stupid thing will they sell this year?


There really is almost nothing you could suggest, no matter how insane it is, that might be exactly right. It's like a game of "I can't believe you're trying to do that" mixed with a game of "holy poo poo people are actually buying it".

The Titanic posted:

You can be anything in Star Citizen right now:
- Merc
- Pirate
- Merc
- Pirate
- Cargo box mover
- Cargo box mover
- Race driver
- Merc
- Pirate

And introducing today!!!
- Pirate

MedicineHut posted:

PTU 3.3.0g released...

Major Known Issues:

This build is very unstable, but we need crash data to investigate causes.
Text Field 40 will sometimes show on the Crusader launch menu and prevent players from joining. W/A: Wait 5 minutes on the launch menu and it will update properly.
Group services are currently not functioning.
In-game chat services may not be working.
Players may lost the ability to quantum travel when setting destinations or getting interdicted.
Elevators are missing audio.
The group system is undergoing an update and is currently not functioning correctly.
Arena Commander's loadout and ship selector is undergoing a rework to include ship rental functionality and may not be fully function as is.
Airlocks lack lighting.
Navigation markers for some locations are permanently affixed to the HUD.

Kikas posted:

quote:

Text Field 40 will sometimes show on the Crusader launch menu and prevent players from joining. W/A: Wait 5 minutes on the launch menu and it will update properly.

What the gently caress

monkeytek posted:

60fps!
Only 4 players
server meshing coming
not in your life time

Mr.Tophat posted:

I scams what I scams and I can't scams no more

Daztek posted:

https://i.imgur.com/l7oiCue.gifv

Addamere posted:

I feel like this is a good time to remind everyone that 4chan's idea of cringe is intimacy between committed partners for the purpose of intimacy and procreation; otoh, raping big tiddy anime waifus or lolita dickgirls is 100% a-ok to them. I feel like there is a huge overlap between 4chan, r/incels, and r/starcitizen

Addamere posted:

I feel like this is a good time to remind everyone that 4chan's idea of cringe is intimacy between committed partners for the purpose of intimacy and procreation; otoh, raping big tiddy anime waifus or lolita dickgirls is 100% a-ok to them. I feel like there is a huge overlap between 4chan, r/incels, and r/starcitizen

Pharohman777 posted:

I thought everyone knew it was a huge in-joke? The joke being that 4channers are so depraved that rape porn and such is utterly normal, but nice wholesome acts of intamacy are 'depraved' and 'lewd'. Usually goes hand in hand with the acknowledgment that 4chan is a place of scum and villainy.

Xelkelvos posted:

H*nd H*lding is a big meme on 4chan. Especially on /d/ where the really weird fetishes come out

ZenMaster posted:

Just adding this here as well, citcon lowlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LN0TsXLcfc&t=1s

ZenMaster posted:

Just adding this here as well, citcon lowlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LN0TsXLcfc&t=1s

Good Dumplings posted:

Store Citizer: By mid 2013 the war was already lost.

posted:

CIG has done so many great things ...

Hav posted:

Here, you can place these yourselves;

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Just scatter them around liberally.

Daztek posted:

In other news

https://twitter.com/FacewareTech/status/1049336306147516416

Sarsapariller posted:

Disco replaced Ben a couple years ago. because Ben was literally dying from obesity related complications on camera.

They found him because he made lovely SC youtube videos under the name Disco Lando. His entire resume as far as CR was concerned was "Guy who likes Star Citizen and has had modest success." Chris kinda seemed to miss the part where a lot of his videos were tongue-in-cheek making GBS threads on the game a bit.

Here's some of his old stuff. There's a whole channel of this.
-McMleDdazo
qN_IqX_iWQU


No, I am not exaggerating. That's why he was hired.

Beet Goblin posted:

My official unofficial citizencon guess is they're gonna start selling people space stations, fwiw

Viscous Soda posted:

I love how in this far future setting where you can cram a reactor that can power a ship, weapons, and allow faster then light travel, space stations still need solar panels... for some reason.

Combat Theory posted:

Why are the space stations rusting... In space...

posted:

Does SC FOIP feature tongue tracks I wonder? Or is that only on their special rigs for SQ42. Imagine being able to french kiss someone in the verse with realistic physics as the tongues impact, hug, and massage each other.

Hav posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/1049685528151543808

Daztek posted:

https://twitter.com/FacewareTech/status/1049738847028948993

wowie

Sarsapariller posted:

I really appreciate the unattributed hype quotes that cannot be corroborated in any way. They are an extremely good indicator that your product is not a flash in the pan piece of garbage.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Star Citizen is not the game we asked for.

But Star Citizen is the game we deserve.

G0RF posted:

Do you not understand what is coming?

Machine Learning + Subsumption + The Cloud = Living, breathing non-player characters that are indistinguishable from people! We will form lifelong relationships with them, as Tony Z. often told us. They will each have unique personalities, follow specific daily routines determined not by programmers but by themselves!

3.3 is the beginning, the inflection point, the birth. Everything has been building to this moment, when the foundation is finally in place for the game we dared not dream could be real!

quote:

Crobbers is an embarressment to the industry. I fully expect a train wreck of monumental proportions early next year.

I downloaded the hangar years back and had a look at my 300i. That's the most gameplay I've had from your product in the best part of 6 years.

I have no interest in the product anymore and would like my money back as I think that 6 years is more than long enough to develop and release a game with the amount of funding and manpower at your disposal.

Scruffpuff posted:

posted:

Hoping for an honest debate here. Full disclosure - I am a huge fan of Star Citizen and one of the early contributors.

Full disclosure: I am a HUGE FAN of a "game" that doesn't exist, hasn't been planned, and is headed by a known fraud. I am a HUGE FAN of what this game is/was/will be, although even the most basic of elements isn't nailed down and no two members of its community agree on what any of it is or should be. I am a HUGE FAN - full disclosure.

Sarsapariller posted:

More 3.3 notes:

* After death, I couldn't get back into the PTU. Seemed like a general problem, lots of people on spectrum complaining about it. Eventually we discovered that if you clicked the button and then waited for 2-3 minutes with no feedback, it would progress to the next screen. Fire your UI team.

* The new R&R station (I finally found it) is nice enough- it's just another generic Star Citizen station, landing pads and shopping mall, but this time with colored lighting. Also it's covered in giant "REPLACE ME" balls because they literally aren't even finishing assets before kicking them out anymore.

quote:

Star Citizen's "terrifying face tracking" demonstrated

Star Citizen is a game hovering on the margins of vaporware, its scope bloated by a $150m+ crowdfunding haul, creator Chris Roberts' lack of creative discipline, and an enabling fanbase. One of the many whimsical additions bolted onto the perm-alpha release is face-tracking: what you do on camera is reflected on-screen in the facial expressions of your character. It's very Star Citizen: a technical tour de force light years ahead of what other devs are doing, but immediately and overwhelmingly unpleasant.

posted:

Get a job and buy a better computer. 3.3 runs fine until it crashes.

Scruffpuff posted:

Part of my bitterness at CIG is them being unable to do anything reasonably functional and enjoyable so I can get straight to griefing. In one sense they've done a huge part of the hard work by collecting all the people who most deserve to suffer and put them all in one game. Now they just have to layer on a game so I can get to ramming, blocking doors, stranding commandos, and derailing trains.

Trilobite posted:

I've often thought that the survival-minded CIG employees probably keep a "Chris" folder handy with some flashy-looking but utterly meaningless bullshit, just in case he ever shows up at the office and wanders past their desk demanding to see what they're working on. Just a little something that can be shown off in under four minutes, preferably involving some kind of animation, with some obvious visuals for him to demand changes to so that he can get his micromanaging on and then walk away instead of sticking around to sweat and yell at them for an hour.

I also suspect that everyone there has spent time thinking about and practicing excuses for why whatever they're working on doesn't actually work and definitely won't be working anytime soon, probably by throwing someone else under the bus "I'm just waiting on _____ to finish ____, and then we can get right to work on ____!"

I can't imagine how else they'd survive a meeting there, it must be like walking into a circle of sharp (over-detailed and stupidly-designed) knives.

PederP posted:

Remember that many backers don't want a game full of fake and gamey things - they want a world. As I mentioned before they're very much like the Man in Black from West World. They want to believe CIG is building something real - they need the absurd and unrealistic promises - and ironically their insane need to have something real makes them more susceptible than anyone when it comes to the Potemkin village. They are convinced there is a huge amount of future potential and revolutionary tech under the hood.

They'd rather have a lovely fake game while being told there's actually a Matrix-in-the-making under the hood - than a good actual game which has fake things under the hood. I guess to some degree it's preferable that this does not at all presents a playable experience.

They don't need it to be fun or functional - they need it to be real. It's easy for them to forgive the jank, the bugs and the drudgery - because these are the birth pains of revolutionary tech, not just a mere game with issues.

This bring me to the second, and more fun, kind of irony in all this: The incompetence and ignorance of Chris Roberts (esp. when it comes to understanding anything about how modern games work) fits PERFECTLY with this need. He thinks everything is real and simulated - EXACTLY what these people want to hear.

Example: CR hears that CryEngine has a component damage system - and he immediately concludes that every vehicle/ship has actual components with realistic physics and damage states. Look at the CryEngine docs and read/listen to his design rants on the subject - it's hilarious to see them side-by-side.

I've seen this same kind of weird success-through-ignorance many times before in the corporate world. Some shmuck who doesn't understand tech presents a garbled and unrealistic version of reality to someone with money and a need to have this wildly unrealistic thing. How the story goes from there varies quite a lot - but usually the ones paying the bill accept the disappointment or simply forget about it all - and move on to something else. The shmuck makes a lot of money, and nothing good or durable was created.

Heck, it's even like politics, where dumb idiots who don't understand the nuances of what they're talking about tend to get elected, because they're much more convincing when they're not actually lying - as the ones with nuanced and complicated views of the world and what's possible are just annoying to voters who want poo poo fixed and preferably with no risk or cost on a personal level - and to journalists who want to hit the lowest common denominator. Compromise, nuance, uncertainty, trade-offs and complexity is annoying - bring on the idiot demagogue.

Star Citizen is just yet another example of how messed up the human psyche is, and how easily people can make really bad judgements under the right circumstances.

posted:

Need help convincing Girlfriend to take an interest in this game

colonelwest posted:

The Star Citizen community is a combination of a modern tech cult that idolizes technical progress without any understanding of its realities and limitations, in the vein of crypto currency idiots, tech startup fetishists and multi-level marketing scams, and more traditional religious cults. Chris and CIG have secret knowledge and abilities that will bring forth unprecedented groundbreaking innovations that will not only form the most disruptive and popular video game ever, but deliver them into a Matrix like simulation of life in space without boundaries, in which they can leave behind all of their real world failings and social isolation and become powerful and respected space men living lives of adventure and fulfillment... and trains lots of trains.

Scruffpuff posted:

Is this how these people see themselves? It's no wonder they had a stroke when EVE chewed them up and spit them out. They seem to believe that by paying Chris enough money, they'd be buying the status their abilities couldn't earn them. I hope some game comes out of this so they can be administered a reality suppository a second time.

Scruffpuff posted:

Backers literally don't give a poo poo what they get at this point. It could go through 19 more iterations until it becomes The Beavis and Butthead Experience vol. 2 and they will applaud it because CIG will have released something and that proves the haters wrong. That's literally the only thing they have left in their lives at this point. They're even naming their unfortunate, likely doomed children after Chris Roberts' random dumb names of poo poo in his non-game. They'll take poo poo and smile about it.

Take that, haters!

no_recall posted:

Store Citizr: We all clip together
^{(to the tune of Warframe | We All Lift Together)}

[Intro]
*whistling, then humming*

[Verse 1]
Pshh, the air in elevator cycling
Pfft, the nipple jets start firing
Parp, to keep the goons from coming
Feel the weight of what Chris owes

This, the song of sons and daughters
Hide, the bills of what we pledged
Throwing cash at our monitors
Strong, united, backing 'til we fall

Pshh, the air in elevator cycling
Pfft, the nipple jets start firing
Parp, to keep the goons from coming
Feel the weight of what Chris owes

This, the song of sons and daughters
Hide, the bills of what we pledged
Throwing cash at our monitors
Strong, united, backing 'til we fall

[Chorus]
And we all clip, and we're all adrift
Together, together
Through the closed doors (and the floors), 'til we're lifeless
Together, together

Daztek posted:

https://i.imgur.com/kwWAXds.gifv

Dark Off posted:

Koil did these, mostly.
There is app for Iphone that does this.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mug-life/id1093860285?mt=8

Dark Off posted:

Dark Off posted:

Dark Off posted:

Daztek posted:

https://i.imgur.com/4M6YcYf.gifv

Dark Off posted:

Daztek posted:

https://i.imgur.com/OIrHIBk.gifv

Lord Stimperor posted:

Dark Off posted:

Lust is on his mind

Dark Off posted:

Virtual Captain posted:

https://i.imgur.com/2MHgTRF.gifv