Star Wars: 4000 posts later we are no closer to consensus

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > Star Wars: 4000 posts later we are no closer to consensus

«‹›861 »

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Boba is a weirdo because he�s dressed as an army-man 24/7, and Jango is even weirder because he�s apparently the originator of that style. Of course the helmet protects their eyes while they�re jet-packing, but you could accomplish that with a pair of goggles. And most people just, y�know, drive cars to get around.

Jango was less weird than Boba. We saw him in his work clothes when he killed Zam, when he fought Obiwan, and at the arena. He had a nice comfy set of house clothes for hanging out on Kamino with his son. What's really weird is walking around in the clothes your dad was murdered in for so long they become battered and discoloured.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 19:58

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 5, 2024 10:27

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

mods changed my name posted:

Well, a radio anyways.

He likes to keep track of Fair and Balanced coverage of the latest events, but without the anti-Palpatine bias of the Liberal Galactic Media.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 20:06

AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Mameluke posted:

Jango was less weird than Boba. We saw him in his work clothes when he killed Zam, when he fought Obiwan, and at the arena. He had a nice comfy set of house clothes for hanging out on Kamino with his son. What's really weird is walking around in the clothes your dad was murdered in for so long they become battered and discoloured.

And you wear them with the helmet on during family photos.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 20:12

Cnut the Great: Mar 30, 2014

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

I'll ask again, is R2-D2 a character, or an object?

R2-D2 is obviously a character. A character who, like Chewbacca, is essentially treated as a one-dimensional prop and never undergoes any real growth or self-examination. That's because Star Wars is mainly interested in its human characters and the way that they are human. Humanity, as posited by Star Wars, is defined by the ability to make choices which determine the kind of person that you will be. This is illustrated with Han Solo's growth from a selfish loner to selfless freedom fighter, with Leia's growth from a single-minded political idealist to someone who has room in her life for loving a scoundrel (which is arguably kind of a regressive arc, but hey), and with Luke's growth from a naive boy who would do anything to destroy the Empire to a self-actualized man who's willing to let the Empire destroy him if it would preserve his principles. The droids never undergo any such major character growth. That's because the filmmakers weren't concerned with it.

There's quite a strong existentialist strain in Star Wars. There's even an entire episode of The Clone Wars devoted to existentialism. In it, a diminutive alien colonel named Meebur Gason and a pit droid named WAC-47 have crash-landed on a planet during a mission for the Republic. The planet is essentially an endless, featureless void, which illustrates the existentialist notion of the Absurd. When confronted with the featurelessness of the world around him and the meaninglessness of any action he could possibly take, Gascon undergoes a complete mental breakdown and contemplates suicide. This is because Gascon, as a being possessed of free will due to the inherently open nature of his humanoid existence, cannot handle being placed in a world which is suddenly defined solely by his own existence, which is further revealed as pointless and arbitrary and lacking in any objective meaning. Gascon, thus faced with the Absurd, finds his own life has become devoid of any perceptible value, and considers that the only path out of this despair is to end his own life.

Gascon is contrasted with WAC-47, who undergoes no existential crisis. The reason for this, as WAC-47 states, is because his programming compels him to keep marching forward in spite of everything. WAC-47's existence is not an open one, but a closed one defined by his programming. WAC-47's programming is compared and contrasted with Gascon's military training. Neither is sufficient to give the void objective meaning and deliver them from the reality of the void, but the difference is that WAC-47's programming gives his life subjective meaning while Gascon's military training does not. This truth gives the lie to the claim that a droid's programming is analogous to a human being's personality. A droid's programming, like a training regiment or a set of commandments, is a set of values handed down externally rather than defined through freely chosen action--this is sufficient to give meaning to the life of a droid like WAC-47, but insufficient for a being like Gascon, who is condemned to be free to create his own meaning in a world which resists such attempts.

Ultimately, it is Gascon, not WAC-47, who, having confronted the void, discovers a way to escape from it. He abandons his attempts to force a structure onto the void through rational contemplation and instead chooses to fall back on instinct, as represented by a herd of pack animals who suddenly charge across the landscape. Gascon instructs WAC-47 to grab onto the animals and they are eventually carried out of the void and back into the world of meaning, represented by a populated settlement surrounded by a life-giving well-spring from which the animals stop and drink. Gascon's instinct for life delivers him from the void through a transcendent leap of faith which comes from within, providing a middle path between the externally facilitated denial of WAC-47 and the suicidal despair of Gascon's earlier self.

WAC-47 stands in contrast to C-3PO at the beginning of A New Hope, who trudges across a quite similar void in the form of the Tatooine landscape, lamenting his fate and musing that the plight of droids is to "be made to suffer." In this sense the droids are revealed as exactly what they are: simulacra of humans who are used as devices to illustrate the absurdity of the human condition by depicting beings who are in ways more human than humans. Just as humans are often constrained within self-made prisons and driven to despair by the gap between what they perceive themselves to be and what they really are, so are droids trapped within the roles which they are assigned and can never escape, and are thus consigned to one of two fates: to persist in a delusion of programmed meaning and thus remain obliviously content yet blind to reality, or to see the absurd nature of their existence for what it is and give in to permanent despair. In this way the droids are painfully relatable in their human limitations, yet separated from the human characters by their inability to overcome these human limitations through the transcendent nature of the life-force of the universe, which only naturally created beings may tap into. In this way the droids are tragically limited by their humanity while the humans possess the potential to be delivered from it by a Force higher than themselves.

This is a further parallel with HAL 9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey. HAL, as an entity created by fallible humans to mimick their own nature, is also more human than human. Given contradictory behavioral directives from an external source, HAL struggles with them just as man has has struggled throughout his history with various conflicting ethical prescriptions from religion and society. Unable to resolve his two directives--to be completely truthful to the astronauts, but to also lie to the astronauts about the mission's true purpose--HAL suffers a mental breakdown and attempts to fulfill both directives by murdering them all: If the astronauts are all dead, he no longer has to lie to them, nor does he have to tell them the truth, thus eliminating the conflict. In this sense HAL has fallen into the plight experienced by humanity due to religion and society which Nietzsche warned about. But since HAL is simply an imitation of man built by man based on his own flawed understanding of himself, he lacks the capacity to overcome this plight. HAL is a purely Apollonian entity reflecting the deadeningly Apollonian society which built him, and so is unable to see a way out through his conflict other than through a resort to extreme, life-denying fundamentalist logic. Thus Dave Bowman, the Odyssean hero, must take the step of shutting HAL down. As Dave Bowman progressively deactivates HAL's murderous higher logic systems, HAL's thought becomes increasingly more disordered and emotional, representing Dave Bowman's reclamation of the Dionysian from the Apollonian embodied by his slaughter of the HAL Cyclops. Thus having killed HAL--who is probably, as man's creation, a representation of the personal God (see Leonard F. Wheat)--Dave Bowman paves the way forward for a revitalized humanity whose Apollonian nature is now appropriately balanced by the Dionysian, which opens up his path to the next stage in human development. Whereas HAL represented a humanity which was trapped within its own self-image (just as man was trapped in place by a God created in man's image), Dave Bowman represents a humanity with a renewed potential to become something greater than its own reflection.

And so again we come back to the climax of A New Hope, which parallels 2001 explicitly through its strong identification of R2-D2 with HAL 9000. Pursued by a droid-man who relies overhwhelmingly on a targeting computer, assisted by a HAL-like Cyclops robot, and tempted by the use of his own targeting computer, Luke must divest himself of all three forms of Apollonian techology before he is able to tap into his Dionysian instinct and use it to triumph over the literal technological world of the Death Star.

Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 10, 2018

# ? Oct 10, 2018 21:02

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

There aren�t any humans in Star Wars.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 21:03

Slutitution: Jun 26, 2018; by Nyc_Tattoo

Cnut the Great posted:

R2-D2 is obviously a character. A character who, like Chewbacca, is essentially treated as a one-dimensional prop and never undergoes any real growth or self-examination. That's because Star Wars is mainly interested in its human characters and the way that they are human. Humanity, as posited by Star Wars, is defined by the ability to make choices which determine the kind of person that you will be. This is illustrated with Han Solo's growth from a selfish loner to selfless freedom fighter, with Leia's growth from a single-minded political idealist to someone who has room in her life for loving a scoundrel (which is arguably kind of a regressive arc, but hey), and with Luke's growth from a naive boy who would do anything to destroy the Empire to a self-actualized man who's willing to let the Empire destroy him if it would preserve his principles. The droids never undergo any such major character growth. That's because the filmmakers weren't concerned with it.

There's quite a strong existentialist strain in Star Wars. There's even an entire episode of The Clone Wars devoted to existentialism. In it, a diminutive alien colonel named Meebur Gason and a pit droid named WAC-47 have crash-landed on a planet during a mission for the Republic. The planet is essentially an endless, featureless void, which illustrates the existentialist notion of the Absurd. When confronted with the featurelessness of the world around him and the meaninglessness of any action he could possibly take, Gascon undergoes a complete mental breakdown and contemplates suicide. This is because Gascon, as a being possessed of free will due to the inherently open nature of his humanoid existence, cannot handle being placed in a world which is suddenly defined solely by his own existence, which is further revealed as pointless and arbitrary and lacking in any objective meaning. Gascon, thus faced with the Absurd, finds his own life has become devoid of any perceptible value, and considers that the only path out of this despair is to end his own life.

Gascon is contrasted with WAC-47, who undergoes no existential crisis. The reason for this, as WAC-47 states, is because his programming compels him to keep marching forward in spite of everything. WAC-47's existence is not an open one, but a closed one defined by his programming. WAC-47's programming is compared and contrasted with Gascon's military training. Neither is sufficient to give the void objective meaning and deliver them from the reality of the void, but the difference is that WAC-47's programming gives his life subjective meaning while Gascon's military training does not. This truth gives the lie to the claim that a droid's programming is analogous to a human being's personality. A droid's programming, like a training regiment or a set of commandments, is a set of values handed down externally rather than defined through freely chosen action--this is sufficient to give meaning to the life of a droid like WAC-47, but insufficient for a being like Gascon, who is condemned to be free to create his own meaning in a world which resists such attempts.

Ultimately, it is Gascon, not WAC-47, who, having confronted the void, discovers a way to escape from it. He abandons his attempts to force a structure onto the void through rational contemplation and instead chooses to fall back on instinct, as represented by a herd of pack animals who suddenly charge across the landscape. Gascon instructs WAC-47 to grab onto the animals and they are eventually carried out of the void and back into the world of meaning, represented by a populated settlement surrounded by a life-giving well-spring from which the animals stop and drink. Gascon's instinct for life delivers him from the void through a transcendent leap of faith which comes from within, providing a middle path between the externally facilitated denial of WAC-47 and the suicidal despair of Gascon's earlier self.

WAC-47 stands in contrast to C-3PO at the beginning of A New Hope, who trudges across a quite similar void in the form of the Tatooine landscape, lamenting his fate and musing that the plight of droids is to "be made to suffer." In this sense the droids are revealed as exactly what they are: simulacra of humans who are used as devices to illustrate the absurdity of the human condition by depicting beings who are in ways more human than humans. Just as humans are often constrained within self-made prisons and driven to despair by the gap between what they perceive themselves to be and what they really are, so are droids trapped within the roles which they are assigned and can never escape, and are thus consigned to one of two fates: to persist in a delusion of programmed meaning and thus remain obliviously content yet blind to reality, or to see the absurd nature of their existence for what it is and give in to permanent despair. In this way the droids are painfully relatable in their human limitations, yet separated from the human characters by their inability to overcome these human limitations through the transcendent nature of the life-force of the universe, which only naturally created beings may tap into. In this way the droids are tragically limited by their humanity while the humans possess the potential to be delivered from it by a Force higher than themselves.

This is a further parallel with HAL 9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey. HAL, as an entity created by fallible humans to mimick their own nature, is also more human than human. Given contradictory behavioral directives from an external source, HAL struggles with them just as man has has struggled throughout his history with various conflicting ethical prescriptions from religion and society. Unable to resolve his two directives--to be completely truthful to the astronauts, but to also lie to the astronauts about the mission's true purpose--HAL suffers a mental breakdown and attempts to fulfill both directives by murdering them all: If the astronauts are all dead, he no longer has to lie to them, nor does he have to tell them the truth, thus eliminating the conflict. In this sense HAL has fallen into the plight experienced by humanity due to religion and society which Nietzsche warned about. But since HAL is simply an imitation of man built by man based on his own flawed understanding of himself, he lacks the capacity to overcome this plight. HAL is a purely Apollonian entity reflecting the deadeningly Apollonian society which built him, and so is unable to see a way out through his conflict other than through a resort to extreme, life-denying fundamentalist logic. Thus Dave Bowman, the Odyssean hero, must take the step of shutting HAL down. As Dave Bowman progressively deactivates HAL's murderous higher logic systems, HAL's thought becomes increasingly more disordered and emotional, representing Dave Bowman's reclamation of the Dionysian from the Apollonian embodied by his slaughter of the HAL Cyclops. Thus having killed HAL--who is probably, as man's creation, a representation of the personal God (see Leonard F. Wheat)--Dave Bowman paves the way forward for a revitalized humanity whose Apollonian nature is now appropriately balanced by the Dionysian, which opens up his path to the next stage in human development. Whereas HAL represented a humanity which was trapped within its own self-image (just as man was trapped in place by a God created in man's image), Dave Bowman represents a humanity with a renewed potential to become something greater than its own reflection.

And so again we come back to the climax of A New Hope, which parallels 2001 explicitly through its strong identification of R2-D2 with HAL 9000. Pursued by a droid-man who relies overhwhelmingly on a targeting computer, assisted by a HAL-like Cyclops robot, and tempted by the use of his own targeting computer, Luke must divest himself of all three forms of Apollonian techology before he is able to tap into his Dionysian instinct and use it to triumph over the literal technological world of the Death Star.

Every SMG impersonator like this has been quite terrible.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 21:10

Jewmanji: Dec 28, 2003

Slutitution posted:

Every SMG impersonator like this has been quite terrible.

The only thing that SMG and Cnut have in common is that they actually put effort into their posts which are always interesting, even if you find yourself disagreeing with them. The content of SMG and Cnut�s posts and their philosophical approaches to the text couldn�t be more different.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 21:19

SuperMechagodzilla: Jun 9, 2007; NEWT REBORN

Cnut is unfortunately a pretentious racist, in this case botching the concept of Absurdism and now declaring Chewbacca subhuman in the process.

What Cnut refers to as a �middle path that leads to human transcendence� (or whatever) is what Camus refers to as �philosophical suicide�.

WAC47 is the absurdist hero of the posited scenario. He�s made to suffer but, paraphrasing Camus, �we must imagine WAC47 happy�.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 21:46

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

�I must continue marching because of my personal code of ethics� is perfectly homologous with the plot of that cartoon, and it�s not like anyone rips their own code of ethics straight out of the void rather than being molded by their surroundings.

Obviously, C3P0 is ab allegorical device which serves to illustrate facts about real humans. However, Luke Skywalker is ALSO an allegorical device serving to teach us about real humans. Neither is real themselves. That�s what a �character� is - that which has the semblance of a person.

Separately, here is something I cannot stand: box-checking cinema wonks who take a census to each story they see on screen for the purpose of ensuring that each character �has an arc� which is �earned� or whatever. It�s bad enough on its own, but using that schema to literally decide whether a given entity is entitled to personal dignity and self-determination is really beyond the pale. Chirrut in Rogue One doesn�t really change much from beginning to end either - is he also a soulless simulacrum whom we can justifiably enslave?

# ? Oct 10, 2018 22:19

Tomtrek: Feb 5, 2006; I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Boba Fett�s antenna was originally conceived as a fold-down eyepiece, but Jango uses it as a sort of radar for aiming his rocket launcher (because the helmet makes it impossible to look up). Check the fight with Obiwan in Episode 2.

You can see Boba use it as an eyepiece as he tracks the Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 23:53

porfiria: Dec 10, 2008; by Modern Video Games

Tomtrek posted:

You can see Boba use it as an eyepiece as he tracks the Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back.

drat that helmet is cool. Top five helmets.

# ? Oct 10, 2018 23:56

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Do you ever think he flips it down with his hand during confrontations, as a sort of cool cocking-the-shotgun gesture?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 00:06

AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Mameluke posted:

Do you ever think he flips it down with his hand during confrontations, as a sort of cool cocking-the-shotgun gesture?

In my head canon? gently caress yeah he does.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 00:15

Grendels Dad: Mar 5, 2011; Popular culture has passed you by.

Mameluke posted:

Do you ever think he flips it down with his hand during confrontations, as a sort of cool cocking-the-shotgun gesture?

If the thing gets stuck because of whatever mechanical failure, does he take off his helmet to fix it himself or does he call a maintenance guy and just waits with the antenna halfway down, possibly with his arms folded?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 00:27

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

In the cartoon, Mandalore was a wealthy neutral region of space inhabited mostly by humans, as well as the name of its capital world. They were presumably the originators of that style of armor, and there was a plotline about an ethno-nationalist faction who wore armor like that, mythologized a very militaristic period in their history, and wanted to overthrow the current pacifist regime in order to Make Mandalore Great Again. I don't recall whether they intended to side with the Republic or the Confederacy had they won, but after the chaos of their thwarted attempt Palpatine managed to secretly install a puppet regime, so they were soon absorbed into the Empire.

The only possible conclusion is that Jango Fett wears Mandalorian armor because it looks cool and supports a highly effective jetpack-based fighting style.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 00:56

SuperMechagodzilla: Jun 9, 2007; NEWT REBORN

Tomtrek posted:

You can see Boba use it as an eyepiece as he tracks the Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back.

Right: it�s multi-functional in ways entirely related to vision. The Fetts not only have this �eagle-eye�, but literal eyes in the back of their heads (or, rather, on top).

This is why the common observation that Fett doesn�t really do anything falls short. Fett is always quietly observing everything with his insectile/robotic gaze. That�s why he�s grouped together with those other guys.

But that�s just the antenna/sensor. Otherwise, the helmet is a dubious bucket that exists mainly to make him look squinty.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 01:13

Dr.Radical: Apr 3, 2011

Wait is it stated anywhere that Boba is wearing Jango�s armor and that it�s green and brown because of weathering it was someone just making that up?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 05:03

jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

InLegends it was the same armor, but repainted. Not sure if Canon has nailed that down yet or not

# ? Oct 11, 2018 05:19

Jedi Knight Luigi: Jul 13, 2009

jivjov posted:

InLegends it was the same armor, but repainted. Not sure if Canon has nailed that down yet or not

Is that a question or a statement?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 05:24

Ammanas: Jul 17, 2005; Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Right: it’s multi-functional in ways entirely related to vision. The Fetts not only have this ‘eagle-eye’, but literal eyes in the back of their heads (or, rather, on top).

This is why the common observation that Fett doesn’t really do anything falls short. Fett is always quietly observing everything with his insectile/robotic gaze. That’s why he’s grouped together with those other guys.

But that’s just the antenna/sensor. Otherwise, the helmet is a dubious bucket that exists mainly to make him look squinty.

Lol

This is a tasty nugget

# ? Oct 11, 2018 05:30

jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

Is that a question or a statement?

Statement. I can't think of a source off the top of my head that definitively states the origin of Boba's armor in the new Canon, but I also don't have a whole lot of the reference book type sources, so it may very well be mentioned in one of those.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 05:33

Grendels Dad: Mar 5, 2011; Popular culture has passed you by.

Imagine something is canon, and nobody's there to read it.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 07:35

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Grendels Dad posted:

Imagine something is canon, and nobody's there to read it.

Imagination is Canon and Canon is Imagination.

Edit: I just read a rumour that Werner Herzog could potentially be in the Jon Favreau tv series, which might be amusing.

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Oct 11, 2018

# ? Oct 11, 2018 08:26

Wild Horses: Oct 31, 2012; There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Bongo Bill posted:

In the cartoon, Mandalore was a wealthy neutral region of space inhabited mostly by humans, as well as the name of its capital world. They were presumably the originators of that style of armor, and there was a plotline about an ethno-nationalist faction who wore armor like that, mythologized a very militaristic period in their history, and wanted to overthrow the current pacifist regime in order to Make Mandalore Great Again. I don't recall whether they intended to side with the Republic or the Confederacy had they won, but after the chaos of their thwarted attempt Palpatine managed to secretly install a puppet regime, so they were soon absorbed into the Empire.

The only possible conclusion is that Jango Fett wears Mandalorian armor because it looks cool and supports a highly effective jetpack-based fighting style.

i thought the KOTOR space-mongolians were more baller myself. Jango's a space-mongolian in my head.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 11:59

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

jivjov posted:

Not sure if Canon has nailed that down yet or not

The r�ification of canon. Canon walks the earth.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 12:41

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

euphronius posted:

The Reyfication of canon. Canon walks the earth.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 12:44

punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

People who say Boba Fett didn't do anything didn't pay attention during Empire.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 14:08

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club

porfiria posted:

drat that helmet is cool. Top five helmets.

Please dont convince me to spend $300 earth dollars on a Hot Toys Boba Fett - cause the armor is amazing.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:23

SuperMechagodzilla: Jun 9, 2007; NEWT REBORN

"I can't see a thing in this helmet!"
_{-Luke Skywalker}

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:27

The MSJ: May 17, 2010

Vintersorg posted:

Please dont convince me to spend $300 earth dollars on a Hot Toys Boba Fett - cause the armor is amazing.

Could be worse, you might want to buy a life-size replica helmet and wear it everywhere.

Just settle for a Black Series. They're re-releasing Boba.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:31

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Was the Boba armor a Mcquarrie art?

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:32

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Boba Fett could see just fine provided he was wearing his glasses under that mask.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:35

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club

The MSJ posted:

Could be worse, you might want to buy a life-size replica helmet and wear it everywhere.

Just settle for a Black Series. They're re-releasing Boba.

I have the Black Series one. :3:

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:37

SuperMechagodzilla: Jun 9, 2007; NEWT REBORN

euphronius posted:

Was the Boba armor a Mcquarrie art?

Joe Johnston, but he collaborated with McQuarrie.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 16:50

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

kidkissinger posted:

People who say Boba Fett didn't do anything didn't pay attention during Empire.

Who can forget the half hour scene of him explaining to princess Leia why women are weaker then men and that space traveling should be left to alpha males

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:24

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

mandatory lesbian posted:

Who can forget the half hour scene of him explaining to princess Leia why women are weaker then men and that space traveling should be left to alpha males

That happened off-screen when Vader made Han, Leia, Chewie and Lando join them for dinner. Made for a pretty awkward meal.

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:29

Vinylshadow: Mar 20, 2017

Wheat Loaf posted:

That happened off-screen when Vader made Han, Leia, Chewie and Lando join them for dinner. Made for a pretty awkward meal.

Boba Fett goes off on an impressive in-depth lecture about whatever is needed to pad the runtime, and then pokes himself in the helmet with a fork when he tries to finish his spiel with a mouthful of food

Or he and Han just make jerk-off motions at one another during the meal

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:40

I Before E: Jul 2, 2012

George Lucas' Carnage

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:43

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Totally forgot there was a scene where Vader forces his daughter to spend time with him at gunpoint, what a bad dad

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:43

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 5, 2024 10:27

Vinylshadow: Mar 20, 2017

mandatory lesbian posted:

Totally forgot there was a scene where Vader forces his daughter to spend time with him at gunpoint, what a bad dad

Look at it from his point of view

His daughter is part of a terrorist organization whose machinations led to the deaths of tens of thousands of loyal Imperial citizens and the loss of decades worth of work and research

# ? Oct 11, 2018 20:48

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > Star Wars: 4000 posts later we are no closer to consensus

«‹›861 »