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Krispy Wafer posted:Maybe in Stardate 2200 Musk is more infamous than famous. isn't the guy who puts musk in with great scientists from the mirror universe?
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thatbastardken posted:isn't the guy who puts musk in with great scientists from the mirror universe? Ha, yeah. The hellscape universe. The guy from the regular universe would have said the same thing except with Steve Jobs.
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Oct 10, 2018 05:48
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Aesop Poprock posted:Not a tv show but fallout new Vegas is probably my favorite fallout game ever but I�ve been watching some videos about the lore in it in YouTube and man is that game heavy on rape and implied rape scenarios in its side story telling. Like yeah that would probably be a part of a post apocalyptic wasteland but new Vegas has a really goofy tone a lot of the time that clashes hardcore with probably the darkest stuff in the series. Sometimes it works, but the tape stuff really doesn�t. Victims of rape are poorly voice acted and come off like it wasn�t that big a deal and it�s just kind of uncomfortable looking back on it. Just another example of �don�t include rape in your story unless you know what the gently caress you�re doing, let alone include it in multiple plot points� It does at least have the side quest where you convince a rape survivor who's a hard-as-nails special forces soldier to  with a Speech or Medicine check emphasising that there's no shame in it and it's as important to take care of herself mentally as it is physically. Also, therapists actually exist. (even in the Wasteland, thank the Followers)The drug addiction subplots aren't that much better, though again, a Speech check with the side quest can convince two serious addicts to swallow their pride and go to the Followers for rehab. (otherwise, you need to provide both with the supplies to detox themselves, since quitting cold turkey from their level of addiction would kill them) I do like that Speech checks aren't instant epiphany cures. (the check with Dog/God where you basically talk them into curing their schizophrenia is a bit dumb, but oh well)
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Oct 10, 2018 05:58
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Dog/God is a giant purple-skinned mutant human who has a form of mental illness brought about by using a device that makes him invisible. Complaining about how unrealistic the resolution of his plotline is seems to me like missing the point.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:38
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Fair enough. Funny thing is he seems like a reference to The Nameless One.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:18
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Sarcopenia posted:You're probably thinking of the What A Cartoon short "The Kitchen Casanova". Dang was there some good grossout tv on there back in the day. Good stuff. I’ve never seen it before but it’s on YouTube and it’s 8 minutes of completely ripping off Ren and Stimpy without a single attempt at a joke
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Oct 10, 2018 17:04
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Aesop Poprock posted:I�ve never seen it before but it�s on YouTube and it�s 8 minutes of completely ripping off Ren and Stimpy without a single attempt at a joke It's just being true to its inspiration.
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Oct 10, 2018 17:10
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Aesop Poprock posted:I�ve never seen it before but it�s on YouTube and it�s 8 minutes of completely ripping off Ren and Stimpy without a single attempt at a joke That's exactly what it is, just somehow worse. It's like 10min of that gum pulling scene from Ren and Stimpy.
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Oct 10, 2018 17:39
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Aesop Poprock posted:Not a tv show but fallout new Vegas is probably my favorite fallout game ever but I’ve been watching some videos about the lore in it in YouTube and man is that game heavy on rape and implied rape scenarios in its side story telling. Like yeah that would probably be a part of a post apocalyptic wasteland but new Vegas has a really goofy tone a lot of the time that clashes hardcore with probably the darkest stuff in the series. Sometimes it works, but the tape stuff really doesn’t. Victims of rape are poorly voice acted and come off like it wasn’t that big a deal and it’s just kind of uncomfortable looking back on it. Just another example of “don’t include rape in your story unless you know what the gently caress you’re doing, let alone include it in multiple plot points” I can only recall one quest that includes a rape plot and the entire point of the quest is that her acting like it wasn't a big deal is a problem and the quest solution is to get her to agree to go to therapy. There's also the very strong implications/accusations of rape around the legion but that's just your standard, lazy "they bad" world-building, which the Legion has in spades since a bunch of their content was cut. But if you really want to talk about rape in Fallout, a low intelligence female PC can be raped by a sleazy porn producer in Fallout 2. That one aged badly out of the gate.
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Oct 10, 2018 21:02
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I can only recall one quest that includes a rape plot and the entire point of the quest is that her acting like it wasn't a big deal is a problem and the quest solution is to get her to agree to go to therapy. The Cook Cook storyline is pretty much all about rape with multiple NPCs and underage people getting raped and tortured if you go by the information you find in computers. A lot of rape in general is mentioned in regards to the Fiends. And yeah I guess you can say it's good that you get the raped sniper lady to get therapy but she's portrayed as hyper-sexually aggressive and I know they were going off of how some people act after rape but aaaaaaugh that doesn't seem like something that type of video game should even attempt to approach There's also a vault storyline where a woman lets herself get gang raped by the leaders of the vault so they don't force her husband to become vault leader (it's that vault where they kill you after a year if you're vault leader) and just lots of other examples of rape thrown around in flavor dialogue where it just doesn't add anything Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 21:57 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 21:55
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I dunno. It would seem pretty weird to be in a world where maniacs are happy to enslave people, kill them, eat them, but no one's ever thought "You know, if I wanted to have sex with them, there's nothing they could do to stop it."
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Oct 10, 2018 22:35
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To be fair, I’ve never played a game set in a wild and lawless hellword and found myself wondering where all the rape was.
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Oct 10, 2018 22:39
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Sunswipe posted:I dunno. It would seem pretty weird to be in a world where maniacs are happy to enslave people, kill them, eat them, but no one's ever thought "You know, if I wanted to have sex with them, there's nothing they could do to stop it." I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, I'm just saying the game that has Johnny Five-Aces and wacky cowboy robots in it probably' isn't the medium to tackle it
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Oct 10, 2018 22:44
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Sunswipe posted:I dunno. It would seem pretty weird to be in a world where maniacs are happy to enslave people, kill them, eat them, but no one's ever thought "You know, if I wanted to have sex with them, there's nothing they could do to stop it." You don't have to spell it out, like fallout wouldn't be improved by a big text dump explaining why rape isn't a thing in this setting, but you also aren't improving the game by spelling out that it does happen.
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Oct 10, 2018 22:44
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Speaking of realism, how come you never have to piss in Fallout, or have to flee a battle because the strange meat you ate an hour ago is giving you the runs?
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Oct 10, 2018 22:50
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I can only recall one quest that includes a rape plot and the entire point of the quest is that her acting like it wasn't a big deal is a problem and the quest solution is to get her to agree to go to therapy. The Legion probably has a process of pederasty since it is trying to emulate that time period, it is not exactly a far reach. I found that despite the Legion being obvious bad guys, they weren't just "I AM EVIL" bad but adopted a culture that is very hosed up when seen by the lens of the modern world.
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Oct 10, 2018 22:53
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Samuringa posted:The Legion probably has a process of pederasty since it is trying to emulate that time period, it is not exactly a far reach. They also got a lot of it blatantly wrong which is canon in game, although Roman cultural history is pretty spotty/written by people who usurped previous rulers anyway
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Oct 10, 2018 23:00
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Sunswipe posted:I dunno. It would seem pretty weird to be in a world where maniacs are happy to enslave people, kill them, eat them, but no one's ever thought "You know, if I wanted to have sex with them, there's nothing they could do to stop it." i feel like the past couple pages have had some serious american-tv-censors.txt in so far that according to censors it's better to cover a nude corpse's asscrack with congealed blood than it is to show a naked butt because hardcore gore/violence are much more palatable to american sensibilities than pg-13 sexual situations like walter white deciding that exploiting compromised individuals by selling hard drugs to them, readily sacrificing relationships with the people he claims to be protecting/endlessly emotionally abusing the people closest to him, killing dudes that get in his way and otherwise fully embracing a winner-take-all cartel mentality are all well and good for him to do in season 1 and don't already compromise him as a sympathetic character but engaging in martial rape? jeez can we dial it back to cold-blooded murder and then turning the corpses into untraceable chemical slurries? i just wanted some light evening entertainment here with a dash of topics appropriate for dark comedy, i'd better just play fallout tonight where gameplay mechanics encourage me to try out cannibalizing the men i kill with my bare hands as a distinct playstyle oh neat: there's a dedicated animation of blood spurting everywhere when i do it
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Oct 10, 2018 23:58
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purple death ray posted:You don't have to spell it out, like fallout wouldn't be improved by a big text dump explaining why rape isn't a thing in this setting, but you also aren't improving the game by spelling out that it does happen. Seriously. You never have to justify not having rape as a story element. You can just not have it. If someone complains that it's not realistic enough without rape, just poke them with a broom until they go back to the TV tropes forums or wherever they crawled out of.
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Oct 11, 2018 00:12
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fruit BOO!ts posted:Speaking of realism, how come you never have to piss in Fallout, or have to flee a battle because the strange meat you ate an hour ago is giving you the runs? Eating in Fallout is the most unrealistic part of the game. Like when you’re in the middle of a fight but hold up I need to eat all these iguana kabobs because I need to heal these wounds.
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Oct 11, 2018 00:15
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Krispy Wafer posted:Eating in Fallout is the most unrealistic part of the game. Like when you’re in the middle of a fight but hold up I need to eat all these iguana kabobs because I need to heal these wounds. Idk if I was in a knife fight with someone but then he remembered that he had Taco Bell he hadn’t finished I’d call a timeout
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Oct 11, 2018 00:24
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hard counter posted:i feel like the past couple pages have had some serious american-tv-censors.txt in so far that according to censors it's better to cover a nude corpse's asscrack with congealed blood than it is to show a naked butt because hardcore gore/violence are much more palatable to american sensibilities than pg-13 sexual situations You know our culture certainly has its issues with sex and violence, true, but that's a pretty spicy take that people only don't like to see rape in their video game because of some puritanical censorship instinct. Rape doesn't deserve the same treatment as casual or even sexual nudity
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Oct 11, 2018 00:31
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Samuringa posted:The Legion probably has a process of pederasty since it is trying to emulate that time period, it is not exactly a far reach. The fact that the Legion uses sexual violence to terrorize people when they invade isn't remarkable, it is what virtually every army in history has done. It is a detail that most depictions of war omit, so I think that Fallout not shying away from it in that context isn't bad. The stuff with the Fiends is more cartoonish Mad Max stuff, and is harder to justify from a storytelling standpoint. Cook-Cook in particular is really disturbing.
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purple death ray posted:You know our culture certainly has its issues with sex and violence, true, but that's a pretty spicy take that people only don't like to see rape in their video game because of some puritanical censorship instinct. Rape doesn't deserve the same treatment as casual or even sexual nudity the spiciness of that take comes from observing the fascinating contrast between reactions to shows/games that could go so far as reveling in gory violence, using it to depict lighthearted, comedic moments between affable serial killer protagonists, without anyone blinking an eye because we've become blind to how monstrous that stuff is versus reactions to other monstrous crimes we're less blind to the censorship is an extension of that blindness, i didn't mean to say it goes the other way around vvv e: sure i get that and i'm not saying we should blind ourselves to something like the awfulness of domestic violence either, just that the contrast here is absurdly real, that by comparison going full-on blood&guts comedy cannibalism by intentional game design can just be a part of a chill gaming experience hard counter has a new favorite as of 04:07 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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hard counter posted:it spiciness of that take comes from observing the fascinating contrast between reactions to shows/games that could go so far as reveling in gory violence, using it to depict lighthearted, comedic moments between affable serial killer protagonists, without anyone blinking an eye because we've become blind to how monstrous that stuff is versus reactions to other monstrous crimes we're less blind to Insane cartoonish serial killer violence does happen but it's not exactly a common thing in real life. It's like how portrayals of nuclear destruction are easier to swallow in fictional form than spousal torture and abuse in a lot of ways: some things hit closer to home for a lot of people and will affect people more than other things. And they weren't always treated that way: rape or attempted rape were treated with kid gloves for years in movies and songs. Rape and sexual abuse are very common place. Blowing a ghoul's head off with a railgun isn't. There's varying levels of what certain types of media are capable of pulling off and I'm gonna say rape and sexual mutilation is not one that's there yet for loving video games
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Oct 11, 2018 03:52
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Wasn't there an attempted rape of a teenage daughter in one of the Beethoven movies?
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Sarcopenia posted:Wasn't there an attempted rape of a teenage daughter in one of the Beethoven movies? Yes. Beethoven's 2nd.
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family guy and the simpsons, pretty rapey
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Toshimo posted:Yes. Beethoven's 2nd. And by his I of course mean the talented dog actor Chris.
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Oct 11, 2018 06:37
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Rush hour 3 was on TV the other day and I did not know who Roman Polanski was the first time I had seen it. It certainly changed the tone of his character.
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Oct 11, 2018 07:37
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Wicked Them Beats posted:
One of the first quest you can do In the first Fallout game is to kill the local warlord's sex slaves because he's tired of them.
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Alhazred posted:One of the first quest you can do In the first Fallout game is to kill the local warlord's sex slaves because he's tired of them. What kind of poo poo rear end warlord has to outsource to kill his own sex slaves
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purple death ray posted:You don't have to spell it out, like fallout wouldn't be improved by a big text dump explaining why rape isn't a thing in this setting, but you also aren't improving the game by spelling out that it does happen. Someone find that “inevitable consequences of piracy” quote from the Star Citizen thread. Something about ‘a short .gif of your character being defiled is something we all desire’.
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Oct 11, 2018 13:24
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Sarcopenia posted:Wasn't there an attempted rape of a teenage daughter in one of the Beethoven movies? You what?? I am going to need more info on this. I have not seen any of the Beethoven movies, but as far as I know the plot of them all is "Dog big, bad man tries take dog from nice family. He fails." Rinse repeat, and sometimes add smaller, but still big baby dogs. How in the living gently caress did they fit in an attempted rape amongst the goon natured fun times.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Insane cartoonish serial killer violence does happen but it's not exactly a common thing in real life. It's like how portrayals of nuclear destruction are easier to swallow in fictional form than spousal torture and abuse in a lot of ways: some things hit closer to home for a lot of people and will affect people more than other things. And they weren't always treated that way: rape or attempted rape were treated with kid gloves for years in movies and songs. Rape and sexual abuse are very common place. Blowing a ghoul's head off with a railgun isn't. There's varying levels of what certain types of media are capable of pulling off and I'm gonna say rape and sexual mutilation is not one that's there yet for loving video games Get a load of mister I live in a ghoul free Utopia here
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BrigadierSensible posted:You what?? I am going to need more info on this. I have not seen any of the Beethoven movies, but as far as I know the plot of them all is "Dog big, bad man tries take dog from nice family. He fails." Rinse repeat, and sometimes add smaller, but still big baby dogs. never seen it but I assume this is the exchange in question 
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BrigadierSensible posted:You what?? I am going to need more info on this. I have not seen any of the Beethoven movies, but as far as I know the plot of them all is "Dog big, bad man tries take dog from nice family. He fails." Rinse repeat, and sometimes add smaller, but still big baby dogs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmwJUxQyxas It's this scene I assume (couldn't find it in english)
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Oct 11, 2018 13:50
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I don’t think that beach house was built to code.
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fruit BOO!ts posted:Speaking of realism, how come you never have to piss in Fallout, or have to flee a battle because the strange meat you ate an hour ago is giving you the runs? I get enough of that in real life.
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datajugend posted:family guy and the simpsons, pretty rapey Quagmire is such a disgusting character and the whole ‘lets rape Marge because the Simpsons made fun of us’ thing is so incredibly petty and childish. I can’t believe that bit doesn’t get edited out of reruns.
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