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I absolutely despise swamps. I look for seeds with as little as possible. But if you go to the site I linked to further up; many of the seed entries have screenshots of the map. I'm sure you'll find one that is suitably swampy.
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The top-rated seeds on that site do not have swamp settlements. No swamps means it is harder to recruit cultists. Davkul would not be pleased.
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Oct 11, 2018 13:15
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Swamps aren't very well liked, so year i'm expecting to have to spent a while generating. Gonna be great though. YOU GET A PATHFINDER. YOU GET A PATHFINDER. YOU ALL GET PATHFINDER.
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Oct 11, 2018 13:49
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987fdb has lots of swamps, mountain ranges, deep forests and a relatively large snowy area in the north. It's still not too terrible to travel because there are harbors everywhere.
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Oct 11, 2018 13:55
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dogstile posted:Swamps aren't very well liked, so year i'm expecting to have to spent a while generating. I'd hate a map where I have to waste a perk giving everyone pathfinder. And pathfinder doesn't fix the huge attack penalty for fighting in swampwater.
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Oct 11, 2018 14:00
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If they made pathfinder reduce the penalties for fighting in bad terrain as well as moving through it, that might actually make it worth taking.
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Oct 11, 2018 14:17
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vyelkin posted:If they made pathfinder reduce the penalties for fighting in bad terrain as well as moving through it, that might actually make it worth taking. I usually take Pathfinder because it's annoying NOT having it.
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Oct 11, 2018 14:22
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The Lord Bude posted:I'd hate a map where I have to waste a perk giving everyone pathfinder. And pathfinder doesn't fix the huge attack penalty for fighting in swampwater. The enemies also have that penalty! Same with defence, so its a non issue unless they somehow have all solid ground. vyelkin posted:If they made pathfinder reduce the penalties for fighting in bad terrain as well as moving through it, that might actually make it worth taking. I'd like this, if you know how to move through a swamp you're certainly going to fight better than someone who doesn't.
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Oct 11, 2018 14:45
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jokes posted:I usually take Pathfinder because it's annoying NOT having it. Ditto. It's really, really handy being able to maneuver pretty much at will.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:05
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Pathfinder is still massively useful for swamp fights because it lets you to capture the advantageous ground before the enemy does. I find swamps useful actually. Just make sure to bring a lot of archers and nets.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:06
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Ditto. It's really, really handy being able to maneuver pretty much at will. Especially if you're fighting, say, Bandits who are eating 3 AP poo poo in the woods while you beat them to all the choke points and establish pike and crossbow hell. Until Man With A Crossbow, eternal nemesis of the Battle Brothers, pops out of a bush and domes a guy.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:11
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Night10194 posted:Especially if you're fighting, say, Bandits who are eating 3 AP poo poo in the woods while you beat them to all the choke points and establish pike and crossbow hell. At which point you say 'Gee I wish I'd taken steel brow instead of wasting a perk giving my melee bros pathfinder.' Like Seriously I think I would need probably 2 extra perk slots before I could find one to spare on pathfinder.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:34
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I have Steel Brow on everyone. Always. I know that fucker with a crossbow is around every corner.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:35
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Yeah i'd probably just drop colossus and take pathfinder instead. Steel brow for all level 2 dudes. Always. No exceptions. You only let one level 11 guy get one shot before going "wait no this is loving stupid" and make that rule.
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jokes posted:I usually take Pathfinder because it's annoying NOT having it. Night10194 posted:I have Steel Brow on everyone. Always. I know that fucker with a crossbow is around every corner. Yeah, I kinda suspect the choice is "pathfinder if you reload bro deaths, steel brow if you're ironman" but it's been a while since I had all that in my headspace and I don't want to sit down and re-learn it all again until the DLC drops. I recommend Pathfinder for everyone in my guide, but that's 1) a guide for new players and presumes reloading, and 2) it makes it easier for new players to keep everyone in formation, and they need the help because otherwise formation movement takes more planning and forethought. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I kinda suspect the choice is "pathfinder if you reload bro deaths, steel brow if you're ironman" but it's been a while since I had all that in my headspace and I don't want to sit down and re-learn it all again until the DLC drops. Nah pathfinder is a level 1 perk, steel brow is a level 2 perk. Unless you have an absolutely "must have" perk, you can just take both in that order.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:45
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Lol if you think Steel brow is enough to save you from marksmen. Any armor below 200 is not enough to stop those fuckers from wrecking a bro regardless of where it hits them. Which is sad because I love how decorative the mail hauberks are. I like swamps when against brigs, undead and orcs. Brigands are simple enough to handle and undead and orcs suffer big time in swamps. Hate it against goblins. I hate goblins in general because they always go first and you spend ten minutes at the start of every round waiting as they broadside you with a billion arrows, nets and bolas. It’s funny when overseers are offscreen because the game plays the whip sound really fast so it sounds like they are just machine gunning the whip at those gobbos. If possible, I always fight goblins in high mountains or forests where their ranged bullshit is less effective.
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Oct 11, 2018 15:51
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I take Steel brow almost all the time.
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dogstile posted:Nah pathfinder is a level 1 perk, steel brow is a level 2 perk. Yeah, I always make a little chart plotting everything out. One thing about this game is there's always a lot of competition for perk slots. It isn't really necessary in this instance, but it reminded me -- one overlooked benefit of Student is that you can use it to effectively "push" the level requirements a bit -- there are a few builds that are only possible if you take Student early, then use the "refund" to buy a perk that you otherwise couldn't have bought (because it was too high level when you had an open slot). Effectively it allows you to take more "late game" perks.
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There's nothing funnier than watching a goblin get hit by a crossbow. I usually take 2 bow archers and one crossbow guy, just because I like variety and also one-shotting goblins through their lovely not-armor. And the crazy overseer crossbow is too awesome/stupid not to have a guy trained to use it.
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I only take either Colossus or Steel Brow, and mostly I'll take Colossus because Puncture scares me far more than crossbow bolts, but yeah one of the two is almost mandatory for melee bros. The only exception are Duelist builds because the bros going for that have high Melee Defense and I give them Quick Hands so they start with a shield and can always switch back to it when needed. Night10194 posted:And the crazy overseer crossbow is too awesome/stupid not to have a guy trained to use it.
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The Skeleton King posted:Lol if you think Steel brow is enough to save you from marksmen. Any armor below 200 is not enough to stop those fuckers from wrecking a bro regardless of where it hits them. I'd much prefer my bro's to be "severely injured" rather than "actually dead" though. Steel brow helps with that. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I always make a little chart plotting everything out. One thing about this game is there's always a lot of competition for perk slots. You can also just not take a perk slot can't you? It only takes like 3 battles to get a bro to level twice. I really like perk variety tho, i agree. If I have a tiny bro on the flanks (a popular early game choice for me) i'll give the fuckers crippling strikes, because they won't be doing that much damage, but they'll certainly have a little more survivability due to puncturing peoples hands, etc.
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Oct 11, 2018 16:25
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dogstile posted:You can also just not take a perk slot can't you?
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Oct 11, 2018 16:26
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Huh, i'm remembering wrong then. Student build confirmed edge case useful.
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I give all my archers fearsome, because it's hilarious breaking orc lines before they hit your frontline guys. Someone please tell me this is a terrible idea.
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I just take student on everyone because I like the faster leveling and I love being able to take two perks at the end to complete whatever the bro's build is, otherwise I would have to plan more carefully ahead of time. For me it's usually Student-Steel Brow-Shield Mastery/Brawny (depending whether they'll be a shield bro or a two-hander in the end)-weapon mastery, then I start branching out more depending on the specific build for each. I find I don't actually take Colossus that frequently, though I often find myself wishing I had. It's just every time I'm picking a perk there's something I think will be more useful than a few extra hit points, even though I know that's more impacting than it sounds. Later in the game when I have 200+ helmets I can give new bros right off the bat, I sometimes stop giving them Steel Brow in favour of other things. If there's one tier one perk that I think is actually essential on just about everyone it isn't Colossus or Pathfinder, it's Recovery.
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Broken Cog posted:I give all my archers fearsome, because it's hilarious breaking orc lines before they hit your frontline guys. It's a great idea. High initiative archers with fearsome and overwhelm are incredible because they're as close as you're going to get in this game to a wizard casting debuffs on the enemy.
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I play Ironman. I always get pathfinder, and then get the adrenaline rush thing (esp for dudes with low initiative but good fatigue) unless they're tanky-types who get steelbrow or Dodge (depending on their initiative). Then I get some sort of mastery, etc. I also have lots of dumb problems so maybe I do something weird. Later on I grab student first then pathfinder because I don't like shelling out 4k for a dude who has poo poo traits.
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There are bros I don't give steel brow to. There are also bros I don't really care if they live or die, and I know I'll want to replace eventually. Turns out these groups are roughly identical. I really like student, but I also really like recovery on at least a plurality of my bros and especially the dudes who I give fatiguing weapons and send out to scavenge armor. That one's just so useful against any opponent that can wear you down with fatigue.
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I'm sure someone's done the maths. What's the xp breakpoint where a bro with first perk student has as many perks as one without?
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I tried taking student for everyone in current playthrough, and I'm kind of underwhelmed to be honest. xp is not a bottleneck in this game, something I should have figured out by realizing how amazing wildmen are despite their xp gain malus. What matters is survivability during early and mid game, and if your bros are better in early levels that means picking more fights = more xp. That said I'd still consider it for an amazing bro I just picked during late game to get him up to others level quicker, or perhaps a bro with +xp gain trait.
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I think, as stated, student really shines by letting you get two late game perks, rather than anything from the first line. But I typically want something from almost every line, so gently caress if I know. I'll have to do some "fun builds" on a save scummy game.
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dogstile posted:I think, as stated, student really shines by letting you get two late game perks, rather than anything from the first line. Yeah I'm regularly surprised by how often one of the two perks I take at level 11 is Recovery, which I could have just taken at level 2 but didn't. On the other hand, you tend not to need Recovery until the late game when you're wearing heavy armour, in which case having Student helped you get there a little faster, which is nice.
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I use student for either wildmen or bros with the dumb trait.
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Dancer posted:I'm sure someone's done the maths. What's the xp breakpoint where a bro with first perk student has as many perks as one without? Seventh.
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I mostly follow this guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1185230449 I don't know how good it is; but it feels better than anything else I've found. I don't use pikemen though. So 1h dudes get colossus - fortified mind - shield expert - brawny; Dudes good enough to be 2 handers get recover - steel brow brawny - weapon mastery. I figure guys with a shield need steel brow less because they have a higher ranged defence; and the AI tries to target bros with the lowest defence scores.
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I tend to put Anticipation on anyone who doesn't use a shield and get them at least 10+ Ranged Defense. It helps make the AI spread out its targeting and prevent them getting shot all the time.
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Night10194 posted:I tend to put Anticipation on anyone who doesn't use a shield and get them at least 10+ Ranged Defense. It helps make the AI spread out its targeting and prevent them getting shot all the time. Same, 10 ranged defence and anticipation is a must for two-handers in my opinion, otherwise they will inevitably get killed by some high initiative marksmen someday.
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Probably plays into why I hate Adventurous Nobles so much. Though they can do fine as shield guys.
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Oh you want a two-hand boi? Have his starter gear be a shield only, and give him quick hands. When he's in range, quick-hands and chop a dude.
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